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I'd go for option 4 with Ride On Time, Robbie, with option 2 a distant second. I'd rule out option 1 completely and option 3 almost completely.Robbie wrote:"Ride On Time" sold 849,000 copies in 1989 according to Gallup figures from the time. By 2002 this figure had increased to 973,850 when the Top 100 Best Selling Singles list was revealed on Channel 4 to celebrate 50 years of the UK Singles charts. Sales of each of the top 100 singles in the chart were listed in the programme. I'm guessing that the latest figure listed in the chart I posted is an estimate.
I'm not sure how Ride On Time increased its sales so much from 1989 to 2002. The single sold a few thousand more copies in 1990 but not such a significant amount to increase sales so much by 2002 in what was pre download days. Alan Jones compiled the 2002 list so one (or more) of four possibilities exists for its increase in sales
1. it sold a large number of copies over the years in trickle sales. Unlikely as the single was deleted in 1990.
2. Alan Jones is using a different multiplier to Gallup for 1989 and therefore has calculated its 1989 sales to be much higher
3. The total includes sales of other singles that featured "Ride On Time" - it was a double A side with "Strike It Up" in 1991 for example
4. The 2002 figure was a shipment not over the counter figure. Unlikely given sales figures are available for singles from this era.
"Blue Monday" did make the top 80 of the 80s but was omitted in error from Record Mirror's end of decade list. In the issue of RM dated 13/01/90 Alan Jones mentioned the omission, stating that "Blue Monday" should have placed at number 13 whilst "Like A Virgin" by Madonna should have been placed at number 53. His explanation for the omissions was that "the error was caused by computer storage problems at Gallup". A bit of a weak explanation!MFR wrote:I'd go for option 4 with Ride On Time, Robbie, with option 2 a distant second. I'd rule out option 1 completely and option 3 almost completely.
This is the top 20 singles of the 1980s from Record Mirror compiled by Alan Jones and Bob Macdonald. The figures shown are from the 2002 countdown on Channel 4, plus the Gallup figures for Especially For You, Ride On Time and Swing The Mood, which didn't make the 2002 chart.
1 Do They Know It’s Christmas - Band Aid (3,550,000)
2 Relax - Frankie Goes To Hollywood (1,910,000)
3 I Just Called To Say I Love You - Stevie Wonder (1,775,000)
4 Two Tribes - Frankie Goes To Hollywood (1,510,000)
5 Don’t You Want Me - The Human League (1,430,000)
6 Last Christmas - Wham! (1,420,000)
7 Karma Chameleon - Culture Club (1,405,000)
8 Careless Whisper - George Michael (1,365,995 - a strangely precise figure)
9 The Power Of Love - Jennifer Rush (1,321,530)
10 Come On Eileen - Dexy’s Midnight Runners (1,201,000)
11 Tainted Love - Soft Cell (1,135,000)
12 Eye Of The Tiger - Survivor (990,000)
13 Stand And Deliver - Adam & The Ants (985,000)
14 Especially For You - Kylie Minogue & Jason Donovan (982,000, 845,000 Gallup data)
15 The Lion Sleeps Tonight - Tight Fit (978,000)
16 Fame - Irene Cara (975,000)
17 Ghostbusters - Ray Parker Jr (974,001 - also precise)
18 Uptown Girl - Billy Joel (974,000)
19 Ride On Time - Black Box (973,850, 849,000 Record Mirror)
20 Swing The Mood - Jive Bunny & The Mastermixers (820,000 Record Mirror)
Note Especially For and Ride On Time are already in their 2002 positions even in December 1989, confirming 'trickle' sales were not added.
Also New Order's Blue Monday didn't make the top 80 in Record Mirror. Adding sales of the 1988 remix took it to 1 million in the 2002 chart, but even without the remix sales it would have made the 1980s top 80 if it had been compiled from Gallup's data. The reason for exclusion in the 1980s is more likely to be due to Factory Records not providing information.
"Too Much" had sold around 660k by the end of the 90s, in fact it was outsold (though only just) by "Mama / Who Do You Think You Are" with both records next to each other in the 1990s decade chart at numbers 76 and 77.SholasBoy wrote:Some surprising omissions for me, the Spice Girls other Christmas #1, Too Much, despite the fact the song it beat to get there from the Telletubbies is quite high up the list.
We're missing Leon Jackson and Joe McElderry from the X Factor winners list (as well as Steve Brookstein!)
And finally, as Frankie managed 2 songs in the top 20, I'm surprised they didn't do the triple somewhere in the top 200 with "Power Of Love", despite the fact that one was the #1 released around Christmas.
It certainly would be a weak explanation about Blue Monday since Alan was the co-compiler of the chart. My guess would be that someone had pointed it out and Alan did a quick calculation as to where he would put it.Robbie wrote:"Blue Monday" did make the top 80 of the 80s but was omitted in error from Record Mirror's end of decade list. In the issue of RM dated 13/01/90 Alan Jones mentioned the omission, stating that "Blue Monday" should have placed at number 13 whilst "Like A Virgin" by Madonna should have been placed at number 53. His explanation for the omissions was that "the error was caused by computer storage problems at Gallup". A bit of a weak explanation!MFR wrote:I'd go for option 4 with Ride On Time, Robbie, with option 2 a distant second. I'd rule out option 1 completely and option 3 almost completely.
This is the top 20 singles of the 1980s from Record Mirror compiled by Alan Jones and Bob Macdonald. The figures shown are from the 2002 countdown on Channel 4, plus the Gallup figures for Especially For You, Ride On Time and Swing The Mood, which didn't make the 2002 chart.
1 Do They Know It’s Christmas - Band Aid (3,550,000)
2 Relax - Frankie Goes To Hollywood (1,910,000)
3 I Just Called To Say I Love You - Stevie Wonder (1,775,000)
4 Two Tribes - Frankie Goes To Hollywood (1,510,000)
5 Don’t You Want Me - The Human League (1,430,000)
6 Last Christmas - Wham! (1,420,000)
7 Karma Chameleon - Culture Club (1,405,000)
8 Careless Whisper - George Michael (1,365,995 - a strangely precise figure)
9 The Power Of Love - Jennifer Rush (1,321,530)
10 Come On Eileen - Dexy’s Midnight Runners (1,201,000)
11 Tainted Love - Soft Cell (1,135,000)
12 Eye Of The Tiger - Survivor (990,000)
13 Stand And Deliver - Adam & The Ants (985,000)
14 Especially For You - Kylie Minogue & Jason Donovan (982,000, 845,000 Gallup data)
15 The Lion Sleeps Tonight - Tight Fit (978,000)
16 Fame - Irene Cara (975,000)
17 Ghostbusters - Ray Parker Jr (974,001 - also precise)
18 Uptown Girl - Billy Joel (974,000)
19 Ride On Time - Black Box (973,850, 849,000 Record Mirror)
20 Swing The Mood - Jive Bunny & The Mastermixers (820,000 Record Mirror)
Note Especially For and Ride On Time are already in their 2002 positions even in December 1989, confirming 'trickle' sales were not added.
Also New Order's Blue Monday didn't make the top 80 in Record Mirror. Adding sales of the 1988 remix took it to 1 million in the 2002 chart, but even without the remix sales it would have made the 1980s top 80 if it had been compiled from Gallup's data. The reason for exclusion in the 1980s is more likely to be due to Factory Records not providing information.
It's disappointing if sales of "Ride On Time" really are shipments rather than over the counter sales. There really was no need for Alan Jones to have had to use anything other than Gallup sales data. Though I still think possible explanation number 3 - combined sales of all versions featuring "Ride On Time" is a possibility. Though the sales figures may have come from the label rather than from the chart reports of Gallup.
Wuthering Heights was only #12 in 1978 Year End Chart. Only Boney M (twice), Olivia Newton John/John Travolta (twice) and the Comodores at #197 made the list from 1978.Vindrag wrote:I'm surprised that Wuthering Heights with Kate Bush isn't on that list!
I wonder if/when we'll hear any more about this....zeus555 wrote:The OCC are re-looking at the UK's Million Selling
Singles. Looking at all the Data again. They will
let us know the results of their 'findings' later in 2011.
Zeus555