Paula,Steve & Nicole Scherzinger FIRED from The X Factor

[GetBack]

They need judges who are not just critics but who can also inspire the performers. It's more of being real and supportive, it's not having career-centered cash cows who are extremely successful critically and commercially in sales, earnings and revenue, with no soul and substance. American Idol pretty much got it right this time. Look at the chemistry and appeal of Randy, Jennifer and Steven. All of them have been very successful and huge in their respective careers but they still manage to inspire the people who are aspiring to become superstars. They also seem to come across as approachable, real people who are willing to help.

[Wmosi]

They need judges who are not just critics but who can also inspire the performers. It's more of being real and supportive, it's not having career-centered cash cows who are extremely successful critically and commercially in sales, earnings and revenue, with no soul and substance. American Idol pretty much got it right this time. Look at the chemistry and appeal of Randy, Jennifer and Steven.

Errrr.... no.

Putting Soul/Substance & Jennifer Lopez in the same sentence is just...

Second, the current AI season is getting HORRIBLE ratings, which pretty much negates your whole post.

[Wolfsmagik]

American Idol's ratings are horrible this year. Plus the talent has been very lackluster.

[GetBack]

I didn't say/imply that Jennifer had soul and substance in particular, I just said that she's more "relatable" and comes across as a real person (in the show of course). What I meant when I said that there are successful artists with no soul and substance are those others that are pretty much good and mega-successful at what they do, but don't translate it to others, it's like more of an inward (or cash-in) thing.

[danbarj]

^^^ While the workings may be the same, regular labels still develop artist and NORMAL labels still believe in the long term success of artist and back them. They pair them with vocal coaches, writers, choreographers, etc and whatever it takes to give them identity.

There are numerous artist/singers that have had flops, but the labels did not give up on them in the money put into the succeeding project nor the quality of the production they supported. Now, I don't mean successive flops (over and over, you'll get dropped).

But with these reality "tv" singers, they don't show much concern for the artist beyond the initial album unless the show their OWN commercial viability. The reasoning, different from regular labels, is that they know they'll have a new cash cow (winner) to give them a temporary boost the next year. And if they fail, there will be yet another X-Factor/American Idol winner in the next 12 months. The only ones that survived were those that made it big enough to succeed inspite of (Kelly Clarkson, Carrie Underwood, Fantasia with her huge urban fanbase + Broadway acting)

Regular labels don't do that. Regular labels don't only want one hot album and then you disappear forever (the norm for American Idol, Making The Band and Popstars [remember Eden's Crush?])

[NothingFails]

I always found it counter-productive putting people like Paula Abdul and J. Lo as hosts on these types of shows. These people crush dreams of people and tell them they're not worthy because they don't sing like Celine or Josh Groban, and I think its bs because it isn't exactly like Paula and J. Lo's recording careers relied on their singing talent.

[NothingFails]

^^^ While the workings may be the same, regular labels still develop artist and NORMAL labels still believe in the long term success of artist and back them. They pair them with vocal coaches, writers, choreographers, etc and whatever it takes to give them identity.

There are numerous artist/singers that have had flops, but the labels did not give up on them in the money put into the succeeding project nor the quality of the production they supported. Now, I don't mean successive flops (over and over, you'll get dropped).

But with these reality "tv" singers, they don't show much concern for the artist beyond the initial album unless the show their OWN commercial viability. The reasoning, different from regular labels, is that they know they'll have a new cash cow (winner) to give them a temporary boost the next year.

I agree with this 100%. Its funny when people on Idol get dropped if their album "only" went gold. Isn't that a success in todays age? They forget that many of the biggest names of all time weren't out of the box successes but their labels nurtured their talent and it eventually paid off. With Idol people, if your first album isn't an out the box smash, your career is over and its a future in dinner theater or something.

I think it's too obsessed with immediate payoff and that isn't the case with most artists. Yes, you have your people like Gaga or Britney who were sensations with their first single, but on the other end of the spectrum, we have The Black Keys, who are currently one of the biggest rock bands on the planet and it took them about 5 or 6 albums before they really caught on to the mainstream outside of just hipster/critic circles. Same happened with Kings Of Leon a few years ago, it took them their fourth album before stardom hit. Just look at the artists in the Hall Of Fame, for every Guns N' Roses who were massive with their first album (and even in their case, it took that album nearly a year before it blew up), you have five to ten cases like the Red Hot Chili Peppers and R.E.M. who trucked along for five or six albums before it paid off and they reached stardom. These artists would be dropped after the debut in today's front-loaded obsessed climate.

Who knows what's to come with some of these Idol people if they were only given an opportunity to grow and nurture.

[jpguy]

For the past 5 years these shows have done nothing but release weak and horrible "stars"- none of these shows are giving us a Kelly Clarkson .... look at how bad Leona Lewis, Javier Colon, Jordin Sparks, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc are doing now.... nowehere...

[Titan3510]

Mariah Carey, Janet Jackson and Beyoncé are considered?

They are great artists but they have the most boring personalities ever! Even if they fall from their "A-list status" they don't look like the type who can help others and become mentors. They're pretty much the type of artists/musicians who are devoted to their own craft and no one else's.

GetBack....

First you say that Mariah Carey isn't an A-list celebrity. Then you say that she has a boring persoanlity.

Then you turn around and try to talk about how the chemistry on American Idol is off-the-chain when the ratings are bad this go-round. And now, you're talking about soul, substance and the actual know-how and how Jennifer Lopez has all of the above and more...

We love everybody but...you need to have a seat.

Actually, I have a special one prepared for you.

[jpguy]

Mariah Carey, Janet Jackson and Beyoncé are considered?

They are great artists but they have the most boring personalities ever! Even if they fall from their "A-list status" they don't look like the type who can help others and become mentors. They're pretty much the type of artists/musicians who are devoted to their own craft and no one else's.

GetBack....

First you say that Mariah Carey isn't an A-list celebrity. Then you say that she has a boring persoanlity.

Then you turn around and try to talk about how the chemistry on American Idol is off-the-chain when the ratings are bad this go-round. And now, you're talking about soul, substance and the actual know-how and how Jennifer Lopez has all of the above and more...

We love everybody but...you need to have a seat.

Actually, I have a special one prepared for you.

You're one of the most defensive and disrespectul posters out there.. like really? A baby seat?

Anyways.. I agree with Get Back, I don't know about Beyoncé on TV, but Mariah is seriously the MOST boring personality EVER, and Janet is fine ... I'd love to have Janet on screen... !!!

[Titan3510]

I know we're conversing over the Internet but that post of mine with the baby car seat was a tongue-in-cheek post. It was a joke...

Then again...I'm sorry about that.

I should've known better than to post something that would require certain individuals to actually use his brains and read between the lines.

Not everyone has the mental aptitude for this kind of stuff.

[aaliyahman]

Now Simon wants Beyonce for US X factor!

I would hate that to happen.

Simon treats women disgustingly on the show. Plus Beyonce isn't Kelly Rowland with the typical black girl street talk... she'd come off nice but dull.

1. What is "black girl street" talk?

2. Kelly is more articulate than Beyonce, and Kelly doesn't use all those ridiculous slang expressions she spoke on UK X-Factor in real life. In most of Kelly's interviews, she spoke as if she had common sense. On the UK X-Factor, Kelly was trying too hard to sound "hip" and "pop culture American."

3. Beyonce is dull and nice to her "public." She's a b*tch when it comes to her career. Kelly is the opposite. Kelly's a wimp with her career, but snappy with the judges and her "public."

4. Beyonce would pull in a major audience, but her personality doesn't shine like Kelly's.

I forgot you were Kelly's childhood friend.

Examples from Kelly ' Misha BAY' 'Who me Boo boo, I'm Janet Devlin, k' ' Girl you put it DOOOOOOWN'.

As i said, however you try and fancify it with, that, without being racist is how some (myself included) would signify as black girl street talk. Now I'm only getting this from fabricated situations such as African American films, chat shows, etc. It has even eeked into UK society, take KFC in Birmingham most Saturdays for instance.

It wasn't a put down to Kelly and I am not quite sure why you had to pretend to have in depth knowledge about both girl's character and levels of articulation. Kelly did that on the show. You haven't seen Beyonce in that context so you really do not know what she would be like or which side of her persona she will draw from.

You call her dull but how comes she is one of the most electrifying performers the world has seen? Yes she is more humble in interviews but who knows which side of her personality she would bring..

Also to danbarj, you can't complain about people trashing artists etc but then previously start posting 'Monablissa in dragging mode I see'. Bit of unneccesary trouble causing.

[Wayne]

Then you turn around and try to talk about how the chemistry on American Idol is off-the-chain when the ratings are bad this go-round. And now, you're talking about soul, substance and the actual know-how and how Jennifer Lopez has all of the above and more...

Mariah wouldn't look too good on TV each week - she just isn't cut out for TV. She looks uncomfortable on stage performing, so I fail to see how she'd pull something like this off. I think she'd make a wonderful mentor though - during [for e.g.] judges house week to assist the main judge [ala what she was meant to have originally]

As for Beyonce - NO. Janet - MAYBE.

[MonaBlissa]

@aaliyahman
Again, everything you said is semantically wrong.

If a southern person uses the term "mama," that has NOTHING to do with "the street."

And I was a DC fan since 1998 and more, so I've seen hundreds of DC interviews, and Kelly has always been the articulate one.

Nicole Scherzinger and Kelly Rowland were being "extra" in their colloquialisms for X-Factor. Neither speak like that on a regular basis.

This is what I'm tired of. People use the wrong terms for "colloquialisms." The misuse of the term "street" and "ghetto" is offensive.

And "African-American" films are "extra" entertainment. I'm nestled in a region where the accents change every 100-300 miles. So, what you call "street" is another dialect.

What I saw on Australian X-Factor was dull as cardboard? But, I won't use names, since it will raise sensitivity levels here.

[sambo9]

Janet's the sweetest person, but she would be the worst judge ever. She wouldn't be able to criticise anyone, and she'd just sit there, all shy and embarrassed.

Mariah would be too busy re-applying make-up or fixing her hair to even pay attention to the performances.

Beyonce would be okay though.

[shirley]

Simon seems to be pushing for Beyonce http://www.dailystar.co.uk/posts/view/2 ... -be-judge/

[Wayne]

I was hoping that nobody would buy into the "$500m offer" for Beyonce.

[jpguy]

What about Celine dion ??? !!??? She's so funny

[Wayne]

What about Celine dion ??? !!??? She's so funny

I think Rene would make a great judge, Celine would criticise in the wrong places.

[sambo9]

Celine would be hilarious! I'd watch the show just for her mannerisms alone.

[Eamon]

They should just axe the whole show!! Most of the people who go on these shows don't have longevity so there's just no point to them any more. There's no doubt they have found talent on them but that's as far as it goes. They don't know what to do with the talent once they have found it especially if the artist isn't vocal enough or artistic enough to stand up for themselves. Simon needs to face facts that this was a major disappointment in the US after all the hype and bringing some major names on board won't save it and anyone who is a major name and even considers going near this sinking ship needs to stay well away from it.

[aaliyahman]

@aaliyahman
Again, everything you said is semantically wrong.

If a southern person uses the term "mama," that has NOTHING to do with "the street."

And I was a DC fan since 1998 and more, so I've seen hundreds of DC interviews, and Kelly has always been the articulate one.

Nicole Scherzinger and Kelly Rowland were being "extra" in their colloquialisms for X-Factor. Neither speak like that on a regular basis.

This is what I'm tired of. People use the wrong terms for "colloquialisms." The misuse of the term "street" and "ghetto" is offensive.

And "African-American" films are "extra" entertainment. I'm nestled in a region where the accents change every 100-300 miles. So, what you call "street" is another dialect.

What I saw on Australian X-Factor was dull as cardboard? But, I won't use names, since it will raise sensitivity levels here.

I think you are mis interpreting what I said. I said this was my perspective and I told you where I got that perspective from. I didn't say it is how it was, I am saying how it came across to me. I don't live in America, or a ghetto, therefore, while these terms may be misused, they do represent the way that Kelly acted to me.

It was the same type of behaviour seen in Why did I get married by Angie etc. Now you say that 'that's not Kelly' but who else is it and why else did she do it. It's just a side of her we don't see often. You are talking about dull trying to offend when in reality, the majority of us don't want to see Beyonce on AI or X Fcator because she just isn't that type of artist that's naturally a panelist. She's reserved and private. She rarely courts the media circus i.e. responding to 'haters' on twitter and trying to 'start beef' (not saying that Kelly does but you get what I mean).

[cabanaboy]

I was hoping that nobody would buy into the "$500m offer" for Beyonce.

I seriously doubt it's that much but he would have to pay her alot for it to happen. I personally would be all for it. Would be a perfect job for bey with the babies and maybe do some great things for 4 this holiday season. Imagine Bey on TV every week, Bey on tv would bring sales IMO

[cabanaboy]

They should just axe the whole show!! Most of the people who go on these shows don't have longevity so there's just no point to them any more. There's no doubt they have found talent on them but that's as far as it goes. They don't know what to do with the talent once they have found it especially if the artist isn't vocal enough or artistic enough to stand up for themselves. Simon needs to face facts that this was a major disappointment in the US after all the hype and bringing some major names on board won't save it and anyone who is a major name and even considers going near this sinking ship needs to stay well away from it.

And NO! I can't stand Idol anymore after the treatment of Haley Reinhart. I'm all for this new show

[NothingFails]

I am not the biggest fan, but Mariah boring? The woman is a blast in interviews. Her persona in interviews is so different than what people think of her. She has a good sense of humor, she's charismatic, I think she could do a great job judging, but its really beneath her. Paula and J. Lo were both long off the radar (J. Lo didn't have "On The Floor" yet when she was hired on Idol) and Steven Tyler hadn't done an album with Aerosmith in a very long time when they were hired. Mariah is still career-first.