86 Under-Certified Albums: They need an updated RIAA Cert

by **thebigham** » Fri Jun 03, 2011 7:06 pm

^Do you have current sales numbers?

by **thebigham** » Fri Jun 03, 2011 7:13 pm

Albums that have fallen off the BB200 and have still not been certified:

Kid Cudi 400k
Fantasia 434k

by **sonia85** » Fri Jun 03, 2011 7:21 pm

thebigham wrote:^Do you have current sales numbers?

Spiderpig wrote:MJDangerous' estimations (as of july 2010) :

Amnesiac (2001) :

America
US 1,250,000

Hail To The Thief (2003) :

America
US 1,300,000

by **thebigham** » Fri Jun 03, 2011 7:28 pm

^Thanks.

by **sonia85** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 6:49 pm

it might be certifed platinum:

Radiohead: In Rainbows - 950,000 (in 2010)

by **FordSterling** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 8:06 pm

LOTUS FLOWER : 500.000 in last october.
Should be certified platinum because it's a triple album.

by **madd77** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 8:35 pm

FordSterling wrote:LOTUS FLOWER : 500.000 in last october.
Should be certified platinum because it's a triple album.

great

by **jonas83boy** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 7:33 pm

What about Ace of Base.
Shouldn't The Sign be Diamond (have been Platinum *9 for ages) and The Bridge platinum*2?

by **wolfmother** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 7:48 pm

jonas83boy wrote:What about Ace of Base.
Shouldn't The Sign be Diamond (have been Platinum *9 for ages) and The Bridge platinum*2?

Well, not if those albums have sold nothing since their last certification and the certifcations were up to the real sales level.

by **thebigham** » Sat Feb 04, 2012 7:17 pm

Some recent numbers for uncertified/under-certified albums:

Not certified:

Black Eyed Peas, The Beginning 748k
Cee Lo Green, Lady Killer 415k
Avenged Sevenfold, Nightmare 658k
Johnny Cash, VH1 Storytellers 534k
Eric Clapton, Millennium 1,055,805
Elvis Presley, Afternoon in the Garden 424k
Lionel Richie, Millennium 579k
Barry White, Millennium 881k
Boys II Men, Millennium 718k
Aerosmith, Millennium 409k
Etta James, At Last 559k
Foo Fighters, GH 540k
Justin Bieber, Acoustic 729k
Rascal Flatts, GH 1,172,000
Buddy Holly, Millennium 493k
Janis Joplin, Super Hits 833k
Scorpions, Millennium 718k

Under-certified:

Lady Gaga, The Fame 4,399,527 (3xp)
Jackson 5, Millennium 958k (Gold)
Michael Jackson Number Ones 4,723,225 (3xp)
Three Dog Night, Millennium 932k (Gold)
Eminem, Recovery 4,181,503 (3xp)
Florence & The Machine Lungs 929k (Gold)
Black Keys, Brothers 959k (Gold)
Train, Save Me San Fransico 933k (Gold)
Johnny Cash, 16 Biggest Hits 3,108,680 (2xp)
Frank Sinatra, Nothing But The Best 1,022,282 (Gold)
Roy Orbison, Super Hits 1,238,314 (Gold)
Neil Young, GH 1,344,063 (Gold)

Too tired right now... Will do more soon.

by **thebigham** » Sat Feb 04, 2012 7:21 pm

thebigham wrote:Albums that have fallen off the BB200 and have still not been certified:

Robin Thicke 417k
Prince 500k
Iron Man 2 Sdtk 431k
Taylor Swift Christmas EP 772k

Remove Taylor Swift. Certified Gold this week.

by **blackbird** » Sat Feb 04, 2012 7:34 pm

The Beatles 1 - 12,000,123 (11 x P)

by **thebigham** » Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:18 pm

^Yes. I think its already listed in this thread.

I'm just trying to post new under-certified albums to this list.

by **blackbird** » Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:26 pm

thebigham wrote:Removed:

The Beatles, #1: 10,991,446, yet 10xp (9/07)- certified 11xp in 2010

This was the last I found - date: 08/07/2010

by **marcsgirl85** » Sun Feb 05, 2012 7:05 pm

one was certified 11x platinum in March 2010

by **Dane** » Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:05 pm

Def Leppard "Vault" - 5,020,000 (4xP)
Bon Jovi "Crossroad" - 4,951,000 (4xP)

http://music.yahoo.com/blogs/chart-watc ... -hits.html

"Crossroad" should actually be 6xP (club sales). It scanned about 1.8M since feb 2003 - last certified 1998!!!
And "Slippery When Wet" need an update too. That one scanned about 1.2M since feb 2003 - last certified in 1995!!!

by **marcsgirl85** » Mon Feb 06, 2012 1:09 pm

Dane Crossroad should actually be 7x platinum if regular sales and club sales were combined it would be at 6,751,000 and #64 on the RIAA All Time List

by **Dane** » Mon Feb 06, 2012 3:24 pm

marcsgirl85 wrote:Dane Crossroad should actually be 7x platinum if regular sales and club sales were combined it would be at 6,751,000 and #64 on the RIAA All Time List

That's pretty close to 7xP. How do you get that number?

by **journey2010** » Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:41 pm

Journey Greatest Hits-16.4 million (15xp)
Journey Essential- 2.1 million (1xp)

by **marcsgirl85** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 1:30 pm

@Dane I added the last number we had with whats been scaned since 03 to get that number and think about it certs are based on shipment not sales so sales of 6.751.000 mean shipments over 7,000,000 so 7x platinum eligible

by **Dane** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:44 pm

marcsgirl85 wrote:@Dane I added the last number we had with whats been scaned since 03 to get that number and think about it certs are based on shipment not sales so sales of 6.751.000 mean shipments over 7,000,000 so 7x platinum eligible

Soundscan September 2011: 4,951,000

Week Ending 02/09/03:

29 BON JOVI|CROSS ROAD 5,487 4,879 3,176,293

W/E 01/26/03 = 3,165,927

Jan 2003 - Sep 2011 = 1,785,073

Last cert was 4 x Platinum in October 1998.

Total sales = 5,785,000 + (Regular sales 10/1998-01/2003 & since 09/2011) + (Club sales since 10/1998).

6 x platinum is obvious.
7 x p? Maybe if it sold around 250k a year in 1999, 2000, 2001 & 2002. Or if 4xP was a late cert in 1998 - but we don't know that.

by **Dane** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:59 pm

marcsgirl85 wrote: certs are based on shipment not sales

I know that.

But +800,000 scans doesn't mean + 1 platinum disc.
In my book an album needs to scan 1,000,000 since last cert to get re-certified.

Example:

If an album is initially certified 2 x platinum after 1.8M scans, that's because it shipped 2M.
The "missing" 200K could have been sold at music clubs or could be stocked at retailers/in shops.

Today Music Clubs aren't really a factor any more. So the 200K are likely stocked or returned.

Let's say that album scans another 800K = 2.6M total scans. That's probably not enough for 3 x platinum, because retailers/shops would likely have the same amount (or less) stocked. So that album needs 2.8M scans for 3xp and 3.8M for 4xp, 4.8M for 5xp etc.

The 90's was different of course, as Club Sales was a big factor.

by **marcsgirl85** » Thu Feb 09, 2012 8:55 pm

yeah I know that but it's not always true an example would be Carrie Underwood's debut Some Hearts Released November 15th 2005 certified 7x platinum when it had sold 6.5 million copies in February 2008 and will probably be eligible for 8x platinum when her new album goes platinum later this summer

by **WolfSpear** » Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:14 pm

I would think Goodbye Yellow Brick Road would be closing in on 9x Platinum by now. 14 years with a certification ... it's a considerably long time.

Are there any in the "Millenium" collection that actually have been certified?

by **Dane** » Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:07 am

marcsgirl85 wrote:yeah I know that but it's not always true an example would be Carrie Underwood's debut Some Hearts Released November 15th 2005 certified 7x platinum when it had sold 6.5 million copies in February 2008 and will probably be eligible for 8x platinum when her new album goes platinum later this summer

Some Hearts certs does look a bit strange. Or rather, the 6th platinum disc looks strange. It came just 681,300 scans after the 5th disc! Could the 'missing' 300K come from Music Club sales since release?

W/E 04-12-2005: 656,200

UNDERWOOD, CARRIE SOME HEARTS December 09, 2005 PLATINUM
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W/E 01-01-2006: 1,636,700

UNDERWOOD, CARRIE SOME HEARTS January 06, 2006 2.00x MULTI PLATINUM
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W/E 23-04-2006: 2,699,673

UNDERWOOD, CARRIE SOME HEARTS April 28, 2006 3.00x MULTI PLATINUM ALBUM
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W/E 05-11-2006: 3,650,575

UNDERWOOD, CARRIE SOME HEARTS November 06, 2006 4.00x MULTI PLATINUM
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W/E 31-12-2006: 4,652,639

UNDERWOOD, CARRIE SOME HEARTS January 05, 2007 5.00x MULTI PLATINUM
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W/E 29-04-2007: 5,333,937

UNDERWOOD, CARRIE SOME HEARTS MAY 03, 2007 6.00x MULTI PLATINUM
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W/E 03-02-2008: 6,242,590

UNDERWOOD, CARRIE SOME HEARTS February 06, 2008 7.00x MULTI PLATINUM
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Apart from the 6th platinum disc there is around 1,000,000 scans between the others.

Latest soundscan figure is from W/E 29-01-2012: 7,164,184
922K since last cert!