Billboard allow old songs to re-chart (Included Xmas songs)

by **danbarj** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:33 pm

Titan3510 wrote:I think Billboard needs to flesh out this new rule as soon as possible before we end up with a mess.

As cluttery and basic as the Billboard Top 10 has been these last couple of years...

The US Billboard charts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone else

I don't want to see the Hot 100 turn into the UK charts.

If it does, then I might need to lie down.#Bleak.

by **Jesper** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:30 pm

NothingFails wrote:I honestly think in lieu of airplay (which is all payola), Billboard would count YouTube views/last fm scrobbles/Spotify listens and other forms of streaming and the sort to really show what people are choosing to hear as opposed to what programmers are shoving down our ears.

I agree

by **BlueScorpion** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:29 pm

The Billboard Hot 100 Chart is the most interesting chart we have. Period.

by **stevyy** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:44 pm

BlueScorpion wrote:The Billboard Hot 100 Chart is the most interesting chart we have. Period.

I disagree.. at least regarding the past 10 or so years..

by **BLover** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:20 am

stevyy wrote:
BlueScorpion wrote:The Billboard Hot 100 Chart is the most interesting chart we have. Period.
I disagree.. at least regarding the past 10 or so years..

by **BlueScorpion** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:03 pm

stevyy wrote:
BlueScorpion wrote:The Billboard Hot 100 Chart is the most interesting chart we have. Period.
I disagree.. at least regarding the past 10 or so years..

What's your favorite, then?

by **ginnyfan** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:19 pm

This is amazing news!!!!

by **Lewis17** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 3:06 pm

BlueScorpion wrote:The Billboard Hot 100 Chart is the most interesting chart we have. Period.

I disagree ~ I think it's one of the most boring. Airplay shouldn't play any part in the compilation of national charts, IMO.

by **Eamon** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 3:52 pm

Lewis17 wrote:
BlueScorpion wrote:The Billboard Hot 100 Chart is the most interesting chart we have. Period.
I disagree ~ I think it's one of the most boring. Airplay shouldn't play any part in the compilation of national charts, IMO.

I agree. It should be all about sales.

by **Jesper** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:56 pm

mimifan09 wrote:
Lewis17 wrote:
BlueScorpion wrote:The Billboard Hot 100 Chart is the most interesting chart we have. Period.
I disagree ~ I think it's one of the most boring. Airplay shouldn't play any part in the compilation of national charts, IMO.
I agree. It should be all about sales.

I don't agree that charts should all be about sales, these days, artist also release various remixes and stuff to keep it selling, which does not really give a fair view of what is really hot, it should be an important factor but not the only thing to base a whole chart on.

We live in a time where millions of people also watch youtube, scrobble their ipod plays and stream their music on sites. I think such things should play an more important role in the charts these days especially since that shows really what is hot atm and what loads of people play beside the bought music on itunes or the music that is bought physically.

by **BlueScorpion** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:00 pm

Billboard has a specific chart for sales ONLY. You can check it there. The Hot 100 reflects the most popular songs (which includes airplay and streaming) and I think the chart is right that way.

by **TheRealest** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:10 pm

Adding airplay shows how popular a song really is. It doesn't need to change.

by **NothingFails** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:23 pm

therealestMC wrote:Adding airplay shows how popular a song really is. It doesn't need to change.

Airplay is bought and paid by the radio stations, it isn't truly representative of what's popular. Just look how many months it took them to add "Rolling In The Deep" into rotation despite the fact the album was already huge as were itunes sales.

by **NothingFails** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:29 pm

Jesper wrote:I don't agree that charts should all be about sales, these days, artist also release various remixes and stuff to keep it selling, which does not really give a fair view of what is really hot, it should be an important factor but not the only thing to base a whole chart on.

We live in a time where millions of people also watch youtube, scrobble their ipod plays and stream their music on sites. I think such things should play an more important role in the charts these days especially since that shows really what is hot atm and what loads of people play beside the bought music on itunes or the music that is bought physically.

This is my opinion as well. Sales mean you bought it once (and of course stans will buy multiple copies in hopes to help a chart position),but I think the age we're living in now, factoring in things like Spotify, last.fm, Itunes player, YouTube, Rhapsody and others are more or less a true representation of what people are listening to and loving at the moment over radio trying to make a song a hit. If a million people are watching a clip on YouTube, even if its for irony (like when Rebecca Black was the rage), I think it speaks many more volumes than radio playing a song one million times.

Radio as we know it has become more and more irrelevant in the past decade as we've seen many million-selling albums that didn't have one single reach top 40 in airplay (Mumford And Sons is a great example.. their album reached a very wide audience and sold as much as Katy's album with five #1 singles did, even though the highest they got on the singles chart was "The Cave" at #27 with a huge post-Grammy sales boost, but airplay held it back from peaking higher).

by **BlueScorpion** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:34 pm

If airplay is bought how come people like Janet and Madonna will never achieve a radio hit? :-?

by **TheRealest** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:15 pm

NothingFails wrote:
therealestMC wrote:Adding airplay shows how popular a song really is. It doesn't need to change.
Airplay is bought and paid by the radio stations, it isn't truly representative of what's popular. Just look how many months it took them to add "Rolling In The Deep" into rotation despite the fact the album was already huge as were itunes sales.

I wasn't referring to how the radio play is actually achieved, I was referring to (regardless of how it's achieved) radio play = popularity, period.

by **NothingFails** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:21 pm

BlueScorpion wrote:If airplay is bought how come people like Janet and Madonna will never achieve a radio hit?

Actually Give Me All Your Lovin' got some high airplay numbers because of a Clear Channel promotion, then once that promotion ended, airplay fell like a rock. That shows a lot.

by **NothingFails** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:23 pm

therealestMC wrote:
NothingFails wrote:
therealestMC wrote:Adding airplay shows how popular a song really is. It doesn't need to change.
Airplay is bought and paid by the radio stations, it isn't truly representative of what's popular. Just look how many months it took them to add "Rolling In The Deep" into rotation despite the fact the album was already huge as were itunes sales.
I wasn't referring to how the radio play is actually achieved, I was referring to (regardless of how it's achieved) radio play = popularity, period.

But Adele proved that radio doesn't equate popularity. Her album was already nearing 2 million copies sold before radio even touched her album... whereas they played two Enrique Iglesias songs to death and his album only sold about 200k.

by **TheRealest** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:42 am

We're not talking about singles artists (Enrique) or unusual successes (Adele). In most cases, radio is one of the biggest signs of popularity.

by **BlueScorpion** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:46 am

NothingFails wrote:
BlueScorpion wrote:If airplay is bought how come people like Janet and Madonna will never achieve a radio hit?
Actually Give Me All Your Lovin' got some high airplay numbers because of a Clear Channel promotion, then once that promotion ended, airplay fell like a rock. That shows a lot.

I know, but Madonna's label surely did payola beyond the CC "promotion". I was actually referring to Janet's case. Surely she tried some type of payola (Virgin would do it in 2006) yet her airplay has always been dismal. Same goes for other artists.

by **MatheusCiccone** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:23 am

mimifan09 wrote:
Lewis17 wrote:
BlueScorpion wrote:The Billboard Hot 100 Chart is the most interesting chart we have. Period.
I disagree ~ I think it's one of the most boring. Airplay shouldn't play any part in the compilation of national charts, IMO.
I agree. It should be all about sales.

This.

by **hotMCfan** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:34 am

Radios wouldn't play unpopular songs, as much as possible, it would be a risk for their station. They will lose listeners.

by **SpyVsSpy** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:55 am

hotMCfan wrote:Radios wouldn't play unpopular songs, as much as possible, it would be a risk for their station. They will lose listeners.

Exactly.

And some people here are throwing album sales into the argument. It's getting a little confused.

Bb100 is fine the way it is. Its a reflection of how pervasive the song is in society, not just how well its doing in sales. Adele not getting radio attention earlier on shouldnt be blamed on radio. Its how the record company marketed her which puts her in a different category than radio pop artistes.

by **ShayLaB** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:16 am

hotMCfan wrote:Radios wouldn't play unpopular songs, as much as possible, it would be a risk for their station. They will lose listeners.

In that case, why bother with the radio element?

If radio reflects what is already popular then it is redundant...you may as well add videos played on tv channels. The same agreements hold true in both cases.

A much better reflection of popularity would be the YouTube and Spotify elements mentioned by NF. They have the advantage of reflecting what the populace is choosing to listen/watch rather than what some radio stations think will be popular. Radio is by its nature is conservative and promotes the status quo. It does not promote innovation or new and interesting music.

by **NothingFails** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:51 pm

ShayLaB wrote:A much better reflection of popularity would be the YouTube and Spotify elements mentioned by NF. They have the advantage of reflecting what the populace is choosing to listen/watch rather than what some radio stations think will be popular. Radio is by its nature is conservative and promotes the status quo. It does not promote innovation or new and interesting music.

That's how I feel. Radio is always late to the party when it comes to music. How many times is a song top 5 on itunes and airplay is like #70?