Billboard allow old songs to re-chart (Included Xmas songs)

[danbarj]

I am, once again, glad that Billboard considers a "proper" hit one that has airplay and sales. I love that! I love the fact that they use that terminology.

And, I'm glad that they haven't made the Billboard Hot 100 a sales-only chart.

Why is this always discussed when you guys that favor that have a sales chart? You can make a personal chart based on that and call it your "#1" song of the week. I mean, I could partially see the point if there was no "sales chart" and no one knew what that ranking was. But there is one!

As for the official charts in the US, airplay is included as it should because it shows the popularity as with sales and video streaming. I think it's a good compromise.

And for those that ignorantly argue "airplay can be manipulated" I wish you'd make sense. Sales can be manipulated through weekly remixes (Gaga with BTW) or remixes (Rihanna/Katy Perry) and massive, disgusting discounts at times. Banners are manipulative aswell. And, usually, when a song's banner is removed, sales drop. When the initial fuss is over, sales drop. Proper hits usually hang on WITH radio (MLJ, RITD, WFL).

@NothingFails - radios weren't touching Adele because she wasn't requested. She was selling off of a "word of mouth" campaign based on the knowledge of her music that spread like cancer. As people became more aware, they began to buy and request and etc. Saying such a thing would be the same as saying "why didn't the people catch on in the very beginning. She should've sold 1 million
+ in the first week." That would have been an ignorant statement. Because she sold as, every week, more and more people fall in love with her. Plain and simple.

[Griego]

So MJ fans better start buying Smooth Criminal, so we can get the 6th No 1 from the Bad album.

+ 1 let's start a campaign

Good idea.

[NothingFails]

@NothingFails - radios weren't touching Adele because she wasn't requested. She was selling off of a "word of mouth" campaign based on the knowledge of her music that spread like cancer. As people became more aware, they began to buy and request and etc. Saying such a thing would be the same as saying "why didn't the people catch on in the very beginning. She should've sold 1 million
+ in the first week." That would have been an ignorant statement. Because she sold as, every week, more and more people fall in love with her. Plain and simple.

Well I think programmers should look at iTunes sales and album sales as well instead of just doing what they're being paid to play. Adele's out of the box success with "21" and RITD on ITunes should've set signals to add it to their playlists, they only did it after it was evident that they couldn't ignore her.

And for those that ignorantly argue "airplay can be manipulated" I wish you'd make sense. Sales can be manipulated through weekly remixes (Gaga with BTW) or remixes (Rihanna/Katy Perry) and massive, disgusting discounts at times. Banners are manipulative aswell. And, usually, when a song's banner is removed, sales drop. When the initial fuss is over, sales drop. Proper hits usually hang on WITH radio (MLJ, RITD, WFL).

And that is another thing I hate about US radio... they hang on to a song way too long after the moment is passed. As a Foster The People fan, it pisses me off they're on their fourth single yet mainstream US radio is still on "Pumped Up Kicks". The same happened with Cee-Lo's album where US radio was still obsessed with "F--- You" when he was already on single #3 or #4 in the UK, same happened with Lady Antebellum's "Need You Now", etc.. Every song has a shelf life and I think after about 3 months, its time to move on to the next single instead of continuing to shove the song that's already had its moment down everyone's throats. Even with nostalgia, so many of the songs that were overplayed in the 90's are still hated because they were so overplayed for so long during their original run. Who wants to hear Hootie And The Blowfish during a 90's nostalgia hour when we still know the songs by heart from how overplayed they were in 1995-1996?

[Timmy94]

But what if people keep wanting to hear those songs?
Perhaps they want to have Pumped Up Kicks and not Helena Beat or Call It What You Want...
Reasons could be that they don't know they exist or they just don't like them...

But aren't there also some kind of radio classics in the USA?
Songs the radio discovered and as people keep showing love for them, they keep playing them even years after the release?
I always wondered if US radio isn't pretty current because even on the recurrent chart, we see only songs that just left the chart and perhaps I Gotta Feeling, Dynamite or Need You Now...
In Germany, they still play Natalie Imbruglia's Torn, I Love Rock N Roll, Every Breath You Take, Another One Bites The Dust, Lemon Tree or Truly Madly Deeply... Is there an equivalent in the US?

[danbarj]

No, they should NOT play what's HOT on iTunes. It's the RADIO! Meaning they cater to the radio LISTENERS. And they are not PAID to play anything. There's a VERY RARE exclusive playing of a song here and there and that's usually for BIG artists. It only lasts a few days and then disappears (check Madonna's GYAL). True hits come back.

And I listen to radio ALL day (at my desk as I work) but I don't buy on iTunes... never have and never will and I live in America. I would not want iTunes users to determine what I listen to on my radio. I want me and the others that listen to it to say what we want to hear.

As I say this, 92Q radio DJ says "send in more requests... y'all have been dying for that "Birthday Cake." It's about the listener, not iTunes or an album. That's why Norah Jones never had a sizeable airplay hit. It's not about the album sales. You can sell albums just because. Airplay is what people want to hear. I never wanted to hear a lot of Amy Winehouse on the radio. She was more for my quiet, chill, vibe nights in the house. On the radio, at work and in the car, I wanted other music. So, I can understand why she wasn't played like that.

[NothingFails]

But what if people keep wanting to hear those songs?
Perhaps they want to have Pumped Up Kicks and not Helena Beat or Call It What You Want...
Reasons could be that they don't know they exist or they just don't like them...

But aren't there also some kind of radio classics in the USA?
Songs the radio discovered and as people keep showing love for them, they keep playing them even years after the release?
I always wondered if US radio isn't pretty current because even on the recurrent chart, we see only songs that just left the chart and perhaps I Gotta Feeling, Dynamite or Need You Now...
In Germany, they still play Natalie Imbruglia's Torn, I Love Rock N Roll, Every Breath You Take, Another One Bites The Dust, Lemon Tree or Truly Madly Deeply... Is there an equivalent in the US?

Songs that radio plays when they do flashbacks are different than pushing new singles. When Lady Antebellum have already moved on to the fourth single off the album and pop radio is still playing the first single (and I don't know a soul who isn't sick to death of that song now in no small part thanks to radio keeping it in heavy rotation for six months), why can't radio decide that maybe it's time to move on as well?

[NothingFails]

Do radio requests mean anything though? I remember in 2001, Mariah won a "most requested artist" thing at a Radio Music Awards special, and 2001 was the year she was at her nadir in terms of getting her songs on the radio. If people were requesting her so damn much, why didn't radio listen? That was a sign that radio doesn't give a damn about what listeners want because if that was the case, Loverboy should've been a huge hit on radio.

[jpguy]

We're not talking about singles artists (Enrique) or unusual successes (Adele). In most cases, radio is one of the biggest signs of popularity.

No it's not..

[aaliyahman]

I didn't have a problem with radio in the US but it did start to appear corrupt (this is to someone from the UK) when I heard about payola first , I passed on that as we didn't ever have any concrete proof.

However, these clearchannel 'deals' stars are making are disgusting. You shouldn't be able to do any type of 'deal' with a radio station especially when it is so fundamental to how a song charts.

It is EXACTLY the same as a record company going and buying 1 million downloads off itunes (or the relative amount). That's what should be banned.

[danbarj]

I love US radio! They play what's the MOST requested... People say "I called into the radio and requested XX and they didn't play it, so I don't believe in that." Okay, so if you're 1 person who requested a song and 20 or 30 or 50 people requested a bunch of other songs, whose song will lose? The one you requested.

But, moreso than not, they play what is popular and what is requested. Again, iTunes can not dictate that. I PURPOSELY do not buy from iTunes because of personal issues with its effect on music and the consumers, and so I do not want my radio being dictated by what's the top 10 of iTunes.

I listen to radio. When I want to hear select music, I listen to cds. iTunes shows nothing but what someone wanted to quickly download on their iPhone because the friend next to them had a song. Over it!

[Mylostlenore]

Billboard is so shady!!

[leoapp]

http://www.billboard.com/column/chartbe ... 1682.story

Yay, now Xmas songs are also allowed to re-chart. Can't wait to see Mariah's All I Want For Xmas Is You re-peak in the top 40.Its #83 peak on Hot 100 is so undeserved.

[WolfSpear]

Well, I would love to see that happen.

The #83 peak is just an understatement of the song's true popularity. What's ironic is how it charted ... only because of the So So Def remix which seems to be forgotten about.

[americanboy]

I didn't have a problem with radio in the US but it did start to appear corrupt (this is to someone from the UK) when I heard about payola first , I passed on that as we didn't ever have any concrete proof.

However, these clearchannel 'deals' stars are making are disgusting. You shouldn't be able to do any type of 'deal' with a radio station especially when it is so fundamental to how a song charts.

+1 Especially DefJam. They're experts when it comes to radio payola.

[samra]

I will be forever pressed at the fact that Billboard didn't change the rules back in 2009 for MJ.

[GUS argentino78]

I will be forever pressed at the fact that Billboard didn't change the rules back in 2009 for MJ.

+1! He was by far the biggest force in music industry in 2009.

[biscuits]

Let's make 'All I Want For Christmas is You' Mariah's 19th #1!

[Serby]

Let's make 'All I Want For Christmas is You' Mariah's 19th #1!

No. Christmas song is Christmas song. leave room for others.

p.s. no hate for Mariah, just about situation

[biscuits]

I completely disagree!

Christmas songs should be number one at Christmas. It represents the time of year. That's how it is (or used to be) in the UK.

[Timmy94]

I completely disagree!

Christmas songs should be number one at Christmas. It represents the time of year. That's how it is (or used to be) in the UK.

The most popular song deserves to be No. 1, if it's a Christmas song let it be .
Though isn't it pretty rare that Christmas songs reach No. 1 in Europe? As it's even harder to reach No. 1 in the US...

Another problem is that songs take time to peak in the US and this will be a problem to combine with Christmas songs that usually only have 4 weeks of interest per year... In November no one cares about Christmas songs yet, in January no one wants to hear them anymore. The only chance could be if a REALLY popular artist releases a Christmas song and debuts with like 500k copies, though I wonder who should do it if Justin Bieber's Under The Mistletoe didn't even reach No. 1 digitally last year...

[YesMC]

I will be forever pressed at the fact that Billboard didn't change the rules back in 2009 for MJ.

[NothingFails]

I completely disagree!

Christmas songs should be number one at Christmas. It represents the time of year. That's how it is (or used to be) in the UK.

Right, nobody griped when Susan Boyle, Michael Buble, Josh Groban had #1 Christmas albums.

Ultimately though, I don't think Mariah will hit #1 with AIWFCIY. She will have no problem outpeaking the #83 position but the best shot it would've had at #1 was in 1994 when it was brand new.

[stevyy]

I completely disagree!

Christmas songs should be number one at Christmas. It represents the time of year. That's how it is (or used to be) in the UK.

Right, nobody griped when Susan Boyle, Michael Buble, Josh Groban had #1 Christmas albums.

Ultimately though, I don't think Mariah will hit #1 with AIWFCIY. She will have no problem outpeaking the #83 position but the best shot it would've had at #1 was in 1994 when it was brand new.

... well the song would have made the top 10 in 2005 when it hit #1 on itunes and the Hot digital songs chart for a week, before letting DFAU get its run.

[BlueScorpion]

Obviously Mariah will never be #1 with this song. Nonetheless, the fact that she'll outpeak herself is just amazing. It deserves to be as high as it can get.

[NothingFails]

Will be funny/sad/pathetic all at once if Madonna makes the top 100 with "Santa Baby" which does well every holiday season considering most of her new singles can't do that these days