"Don't Ask Don't Tell" finally lifted in the US

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Postby jonasmileynlt » Sun Dec 26, 2010 4:35 pm

jio wrote:Good for the US... my question is why would anyone straight or gay wanna serve in the military anyway?
A combination of things. In the U.S., serving in the military comes with many benefits.. free healthcare, untaxed retail items, free travel on military planes when available, recreation for families, etc.

Also, serving provides job security. You can't be "laid off" from the military once you're in.

Last but not least, serving in the U.S. military allows prestige and offers a chance for people to expand their boundaries. People who have been living in one town their whole lives suddenly have the opportunity to move to places all around the world. The military gives people the chance to serve our country and feel selfless. They train very hard and sacrifice unimaginably and are therefore well respected.
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Postby jonasmileynlt » Sun Dec 26, 2010 4:41 pm

It would be great if all of the countries in the world didn't have to have militaries, but unfortunately that's not how the world functions at the moment. The U.S. in particular is vulnerable if it all of a sudden decided to get rid of its military. There are too many threats.
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Postby jio » Sun Dec 26, 2010 4:41 pm

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jio wrote:Good for the US... my question is why would anyone straight or gay wanna serve in the military anyway?
A combination of things. In the U.S., serving in the military comes with many benefits.. free healthcare, untaxed retail items, free travel on military planes when available, recreation for families, etc.

Also, serving provides job security. You can't be "laid off" from the military once you're in.

Last but not least, serving in the U.S. military allows prestige and offers a chance for people to expand their boundaries. People who have been living in one town their whole lives suddenly have the opportunity to move to places all around the world. The military gives people the chance to serve our country and feel selfless. They train very hard and sacrifice unimaginably and are therefore well respected.
Among with all those things, it also gives you a good chance of dying, becoming paralyzed or ending with post-traumatic psychosomatic disorder for no reason at all. I am all for equality for gays and minorities, but seriously this is something they'd be much better off without.
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Postby jonasmileynlt » Sun Dec 26, 2010 4:52 pm

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jio wrote:Good for the US... my question is why would anyone straight or gay wanna serve in the military anyway?
A combination of things. In the U.S., serving in the military comes with many benefits.. free healthcare, untaxed retail items, free travel on military planes when available, recreation for families, etc.

Also, serving provides job security. You can't be "laid off" from the military once you're in.

Last but not least, serving in the U.S. military allows prestige and offers a chance for people to expand their boundaries. People who have been living in one town their whole lives suddenly have the opportunity to move to places all around the world. The military gives people the chance to serve our country and feel selfless. They train very hard and sacrifice unimaginably and are therefore well respected.
Among with all those things, it also gives you a good chance of dying, becoming paralyzed or ending with post-traumatic psychosomatic disorder for no reason at all. I am all for equality for gays and minorities, but seriously this is something they'd be much better off without.
For many people, the benefits of joining the military outweigh the negative aspects.

In the U.S. culture (and I'm sure in most countries around the world), serving in the military is a sort of heroic duty. Honor and sacrifice run deep and people who serve feel like they are doing something bigger than themselves in the name of their families and their country.

Quite possibly, gays would be better off without having the opportunity to serve the military, however it is the psychology behind it that makes it unfair.

If a homosexual wants to serve in the U.S. military, he or she should have the opportunity to do so. How terrible would it be to block someone from doing something other people can do just because of their sexual orientation? Equality means equality for all and blindness towards race, gender, religion, sexual orientation, etc.
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Postby jio » Sun Dec 26, 2010 5:03 pm

I told you I don't disagree with the equality part of the whole thing. I disagree with the notion that having the right to put your life and health in serious danger as a career option for no useful purpose at all on the same terms as the rest of the population is a cause for celebration.
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Postby jonasmileynlt » Sun Dec 26, 2010 7:09 pm

jio wrote:I told you I don't disagree with the equality part of the whole thing. I disagree with the notion that having the right to put your life and health in serious danger as a career option for no useful purpose at all on the same terms as the rest of the population is a cause for celebration.
Calm down. I never challenged you on the fact of whether you agree or disagree with the equality part of the issue.

That is your opinion and I respect it. I personally think it's a cause for celebration because it represents a step in the right direction for gay rights... no matter if you believe serving in the military holds a useful purpose or not.
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Postby PDC1987 » Sun Dec 26, 2010 9:25 pm

jonasmileynlt wrote:
jio wrote:Good for the US... my question is why would anyone straight or gay wanna serve in the military anyway?
A combination of things. In the U.S., serving in the military comes with many benefits.. free healthcare, untaxed retail items, free travel on military planes when available, recreation for families, etc.

Also, serving provides job security. You can't be "laid off" from the military once you're in.

Last but not least, serving in the U.S. military allows prestige and offers a chance for people to expand their boundaries. People who have been living in one town their whole lives suddenly have the opportunity to move to places all around the world. The military gives people the chance to serve our country and feel selfless. They train very hard and sacrifice unimaginably and are therefore well respected.
And when they come back home they've made next to no money for that "job security."
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Postby jio » Sun Dec 26, 2010 9:39 pm

Although I understand that what jonassmiley is saying is concerning the army's reputation, it does bother me all this glorification of military service in his comments (maybe accidentally? I don't know)

Free healthcare comes with an extremely dangerous profession. I am sure you are better off without healthcare than in a battlefield with healthcare (of course that will change significantly when the US withdraws from Afghanistan in the coming years but there will be more "interventions" for sure)

Job security? Only until you come back damaged physically or mentally

People expanding their boundaries? I'm sorry but I have to laugh on this one. I am not familiar with US army but I know several people serving in the British Forces and I have to say that travelling alone doesn't expand your boundaries, especially when you are travelling through an institution which requires you to view at least some other nations as enemies and "terrorists" and when your contact with local populations in host countries is basically limited to a few hours where you (understandably) try to get as much entertainment as possible

Prestige? Sure but there are so many more ways to gain that in civilian life

Feeling selfless? OK this is illogical, if one joins the army for all the reasons you mentioned before, he/she is surely not selfless... he is not in "Medecins Sans Frontieres" anyway

In the end of the day I find it weird that one of the most discriminated and progressive part of society (the gays) had to fight to be included in the most conservative of institutions. Is that a good thing? I am not so sure. Surely gays have many more things to fight about in the United States than this?
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Postby Wayne » Sun Feb 26, 2012 7:52 pm

THIS just made me smile so bloody much:

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Simple things, for simple people like myself! 8-)
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Postby hugo » Sun Feb 26, 2012 7:59 pm

That picture is Image
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Postby NothingFails » Sun Feb 26, 2012 8:02 pm

Of course to some of the right, that above photo is worse than terrorism
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Postby Star » Sun Feb 26, 2012 8:28 pm

2 guys kissing. Hoorah!
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Postby CrazyCrazy » Sun Feb 26, 2012 8:29 pm

8-) Is wonderful to see love in all forms. :D
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Postby Star » Sun Feb 26, 2012 9:00 pm

crazycrazy wrote:8-) Is wonderful to see love in all forms. :D
So you'd watch a porno with an 85 year old man and a 14 year old?
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Postby PDC1987 » Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:49 pm

Star wrote:
crazycrazy wrote:8-) Is wonderful to see love in all forms. :D
So you'd watch a porno with an 85 year old man and a 14 year old?
I'm not sure why this comment even exists.
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Postby HBIC » Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:51 pm

PDC1987 wrote:
Star wrote:
crazycrazy wrote:8-) Is wonderful to see love in all forms. :D
So you'd watch a porno with an 85 year old man and a 14 year old?
I'm not sure why this comment even exists.
+1

Anyway, that pic is cute!
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