2012 YTD thread - United States

[joao]

I second this, Pier. While technically, "21" may be 'dominating' more than "Thriller", I have the feeling that some people fail to realize that it is due to a competition's fault, rather than Adele's own merit. Basically, when it comes to compare her to Michael Jackson, it doesn't mean a thing because there were completely different scenarios: during the early eighties, there were bigger selling and more iconic albums than nowadays.

Michael Jackson competed against The Police, Lionel Richie, Prince, Bruce Springsteen and several others; Adele competes with Lana del Rey. That says it all.

These were the total albums sales in the USA, when "Thriller" reached its peak (shipments figures):

1982 430 million
1983 440 million
1984 550 million

I believe that albums sales were 350 million during 2011 (retail sales, as measured by Nielsen Soundscan). The gap isn't really that big in terms of markets conditions, compared to the difference in sales that Michael Jackson achieved (outselling Adele, so far, by a wide margin).

Basically, Adele has the luck of compiting with virtually nobody, which makes the 'ratio' thing a useless gauge, in my opinion. Although, to be fair, her reign isn't over and she will continue to sell. I think her fans should wait one or two years and then propose some historical comparisons.

There is a difference between not having competition and destroyng all the competition effortlessly. Lady Gaga would have been the biggest superstar of last year in case 21 didn´t happen. If 21 wasn´t released, Born this way would have more then a mere 2 weeks at the top, and other albums would benefit too, and their chart runs would have looked better. Not to mention if those people who only buy a record every year had not bought 21, those sales would be spread amongs other titles available, which means bigger sales for everyone else. People who bought 21 as a gift for Christmas would have bought something else, the hype of the Grammys would have benefited someone else, etc. In other words, 21 made all the other albums available look much smaller, but it isn´t fair to say there wasn´t competition since many of these albums had even better conditions then 21 had. For example, 5 #1 hits for Teenage Dream, the biggest promotional campaign ever for Born This Way... it´s not Adele´s fault if the public didn´t feel connected with those albums despite being overexposed to them.

And what about the rest of the world? Outselling Thriller in the UK after just 1 year of release means nothing?

[NothingFails]

Well I see HUR's point. MJ had serious competition that could put up a fight. Adele's "competition" are silly pop stars that few who aren't stans or out of high school really care for. During Thriller's reign, you had The Police, Prince and Springsteen all in their respective peaks as well, while none of them truly dethroned Thriller (although Purple Rain and Born In The USA both happened when Thriller was finally losing steam), it was serious genuine competition. Adele is dealing with people like Katy, Rihanna and the sort that are just frivolous fun pop stars that nobody really takes seriously. MJ and all his rivals are now Hall Of Famers. Adele might have a shot in 20-someodd years, but I don't think Rihanna or Katy have any more chance getting in than Paula Abdul does today. Adele shits on the competition, theres no artist or album right now that has the widespread all-ages appeal she has, and that helps her so much. I know 40-50 year olds who love 21, people who'd never buy a Katy Perry record.

[joao]

Well I see HUR's point. MJ had serious competition that could put up a fight. Adele's "competition" are silly pop stars that few who aren't stans or out of high school really care for. During Thriller's reign, you had The Police, Prince and Springsteen all in their respective peaks as well, while none of them truly dethroned Thriller (although Purple Rain and Born In The USA both happened when Thriller was finally losing steam), it was serious genuine competition. Adele is dealing with people like Katy, Rihanna and the sort that are just frivolous fun pop stars that nobody really takes seriously. MJ and all his rivals are now Hall Of Famers. Adele might have a shot in 20-someodd years, but I don't think Rihanna or Katy have any more chance getting in than Paula Abdul does today. Adele shits on the competition, theres no artist or album right now that has the widespread all-ages appeal she has, and that helps her so much. I know 40-50 year olds who love 21, people who'd never buy a Katy Perry record.

I agree that today´s stars are nothing compared to the 80´s icons. I even said months ago that the reason for Adele´s sucess is that her music stands out from the current mediocrity we see in the charts, and we would be seeing more blockbusters like this if radio stations gave other talented artists the same chance they gave to Adele. And that radios are wasting too much spins on artists that don´t have much album selling potential (Katy, Rihanna...), this being a reason why sales for Top 20 albums today seem so low.

I don´t think that diminishes the merits of Adele at all. She managed to have the first voice/piano only song to top the charts EVER, this in an era were virtually every #1 hit on Billboard besides Adele herself consists in electronic garbage. Rolling In the Deep saved us from having awful tracks like Party Rock Anthem and Give Me Everything as year end #1´s on Billboard.

And that also doesn´t explain why 21 is suceeding even more in the UK, where there seems to be much more activity and creativity going on in the charts then in the USA. If 21 was this type of blockbuster in the USA only, that explanation could be valid. But its doing even better in other countries where there is much more then dance-pop divas going on...

[HAL9000]

Outselling Thriller in the UK after just 1 year of release means nothing?

That's not true. According to The Official Charts’ Top 10 biggest selling albums of all time in the UK, "Thriller" is #5 with 4,248,000 and that's non-updated figure without music club sales. "Thriller" sold 4,6m-4,7m in the UK.

Anyway, Adele's "21" will pass "Thriller" this year, actually I'm pretty sure that OCC will again use MJ's name for Adele's promotion when "21" hit 4,248,000 mark even though that "Thriller's" figure is wrong.

[cooldeepak]

Outselling Thriller in the UK after just 1 year of release means nothing?

That's not true. According to The Official Charts’ Top 10 biggest selling albums of all time in the UK, "Thriller" is #5 with 4,248,000 and that's non-updated figure without music club sales. "Thriller" sold 4,6m-4,7m in the UK.

Anyway, Adele's "21" will pass "Thriller" this year, actually I'm pretty sure that OCC will again use MJ's name for Adele's promotion when "21" hit 4,248,000 mark even though that "Thriller's" figure is wrong.

MJ name for adele promotion
what a joke
adele is selling with her own name
this is the biggest joke of the day

[HAL9000]

MJ name for adele promotion

I refer to the...
Adele's 21 tops Michael Jackson's Bad

I just stressed the fact that using the Michael Jackson's name is always great for promotion. Hmmm, why exactly is topping #8 on that list such a special milestone which deserve countless headlines?! Just compare the number of headlines when "21" became #10 or #9 on the list, or when it will become #7, #6 with overtaking #8.

And FYI, I did not say anything negative about Adele, I was talking about OCC.

oldbloke, sorry for offtopic!

[Euromillions]

So Adele is selling because there is no competition? Is that what you MJ stans are saying? Well, I'm convinced......

[HUR]

So Adele is selling because there is no competition? Is that what you MJ stans are saying? Well, I'm convinced......

I don't think it is fine to disqualify other people. If you have any serious thought to bring to this discusion, you could share it instead of belittling other people's points of views just because they challenge what you think. And in any case, it would be great if you could mention who you are referring to as "Michael Jackson stans". If you are going to insult them, you should at least mention their names.

When I read your comments in this and other debates, I will always have the feeling that you are an Adele stan yourself, but I just don't say anything negative about you.

Wheares I see in Hal just a very smart fan, clever and deep in his thoughts. Same for Pierpinto. And Nothingfails just happens to like Michael Jackson, but he isn't a hardcore fanatic. To be honest, aside from some guys, Michael Jackson fans in this forum are actually some of the best and most contributive (one doesn't have to look further than MJDangerous to notice that).

Personally, I didn't say that Adele is selling because of the relative lack of competition. I could be wrong, but I think nobody actually meant that. The point is that she reached that level of 'domination' (not the sales but the domination) because she doesn't really have any strong sales rival, compared to those that were around during the early eighties.

"Thriller" has, so far, largely outsold "21" in a market like the United States, despite the markets conditions not being really far bigger then than they are now. In average, I think that annual sales numbers (during 1982, 1983 and 1984) were only about 20 per cent bigger than they are in 2011. However, "Thriller" outsold "21" by a far wider margin.

We don't know what the future holds for the Adele's title, maybe it will get bigger than "Thriller". But up to this point in time, "Thriller" is a far bigger album, even if "21" looks set to become a more 'dominant' product. Just that. Adele fans were the ones who started this comparison in the end.

[NothingFails]

So Adele is selling because there is no competition? Is that what you MJ stans are saying? Well, I'm convinced......

I don't think it is fine to desqualify other people. If you have any serious thought to bring to this discusion, you could share it instad of belittling other people's points of views just because they challenge what you think. And in any case, it would be great if you could mention who you are referring to "Michael Jackson stans". If you are going to insult them, you should at least mention their names.

When I read your comments in this and other debates, I will always have the feeling that you are an Adele stan yourself, but I just don't say anything negative about you.

Wheares I see in Hal just a very smart fan, clever and deep in his thoughts. Same for Pierpinto. And Nothingfails just happens to like Michael Jackson, but he isn't a hardcore fanatic. To be honest, aside from some guys, Michael Jackson fans in this forum are actually some of the best and most contributive (one doesn't have to look further than MJDangerous).

Personally, I didn't say that Adele is selling because of the relative lack of competition. I could be wrong, but I think nobody actually meant that. The point is that she reached that level of 'domination' (not the sales but the domination) because she doesn't really have any strong sales rival, compared to those that were around during the early eighties.

"Thriller" has, so far, largely outsold "21" in a market like the United States, despite the markets conditions not being really far bigger then than they are now. In average, I think that annual sales numbers (during 1982, 1983 and 1984) were only about 20 per cent bigger than they are in 2011. However, "Thriller" outsold "21" by a far wider margin.

We don't know what the future holds for the Adele's title, maybe it will get bigger than "Thriller". But up to this point in time, "Thriller" is a far bigger album, even if "21" looks set to become a more 'dominant' product. Just that. Adele fans were the ones who started this comparison in the end.

+1. No need to get so cocky and do the "MJ stans" thing. Nobody is taking anything away from Adele, but it is true that the so called competition she has are nobody. This is why nobody is coming near her in sales, whereas MJ competed with albums that eventually went diamond themselves, whereas Adele's "rivals" are topping out at double platinum.

I don't see how anyone is "belittling" Adele when using that MJ's rivals were people like The Police, Prince, Springsteen, Lionel Richie, Van Halen and Def Leppard, all of which had huge albums as well in 1983-1984 (Police's Synchronicity is the only aforementioned one that isn't diamond or higher), while Adele's competition is Katy, Gaga and Rihanna and why the artists MJ (and to be fair, we can use Fleetwood Mac in 1977, The Bee Gees in 1978, Whitney Houston in 1986, Paula Abdul in 1989, etc... as similar comparisons of artists who owned a specific year but had some serious competition as well) competed with all also held their own and did extremely well while the acts Adele is "rivaling" are topping out with about 1/4th of her sales (and possibly less than 1/5th when all is said and done). Who says we're bashing Adele, we're bashing the "competition". Euromillions needs to stop being so cocky and standefensive for once. It isn't a slam on Adele, its a slam on why nobody can even try to challenge her at the moment because none of the competition are particularly strong. That level of defensiveness is almost in Beyonce stan territory (and where is her album compared to 21? like 1/7th the sales)

[thebigham]

I don't understand why the Adele stans here just can't be happy with her success.

WHY do they have to go after Thriller/Purple Rain trying to say that 21 is bigger than those albums?

Half of these Adele stans probably weren't even alive in 1982-1984 nor did they follow the charts back then.

Adele blew away the competition in 2011 and now again in 2012. Let's concentrate on here and now.

[joao]

The things is, none of those diamond albums Thriller was competing with in the 80´s would have been diamond in a market like today´s, and perhaps, not even Thriller itself. It´s stupid to compare. Thriller was competing with diamond albums in an era when going diamond was common. The biggest sellers of any given year would eventually go diamond. 21 has a nice shot of going diamond in an era where the diamond certification is pretty much dead. I´m not sure if you really don´t get this or just pretend to not.

So what if the album sales in the 80´s were "only" 20% bigger then they are now? Album sales don´t look so miserable now because of huge catalog sales and albums being sold for a buck in the digital market. How much did a #10 album sell in 1985 and how much a #10 album sells today? Sales of catalog albums are masking the fact that sales for current releases are much more miserable then they were in the 80´s. I´m really curious to know if those 80´s diamond albums would have gone diamond in a market where people could download each track separetely? Of course, the album sales would have been terribly hurt by this.

21 is going diamond in a market where going diamond isn´t even an option these days... Thriller sold 19 million in a market where going diamond was relatively common. And all of the aforementioned starts who supposedly faced a much more difficult competition also did so... They had diamond albums when you only needed a few weeks at the bottom of the charts to go gold, albums that never went top 40 were going multi-platinum, etc. Going diamond now is a much bigger achievement then it was in the 80´s and the 90´s and that should not even be open for discussion. People should accept that and move on, even if they are not particularly fans of Adele.

When I check back those old Soundscan charts of the 90´s where the #40 album is selling 40k, and it´s not even November/December, I just think how dellusional those people who think their favourite artists would still have diamond albums in a market where a top 10 album sells 25 k are!

[WolfSpear]

Well, it looks like we've established that "21" is a successful album For real though, ask someone in 10 years what the best albums from the 2010's were and I'm sure this will be among the few mentioned.

As far as, this is the best album since _____ ... there's the real debate. I think everyone will agree that it's the best since Usher's "Confessions". The sales will also support this. But look at how consistent this album has stayed in the top 10. It's over a year now ...

I don't know about you, but any album that stays over a year in the top 10 has got something special about it. The most unique part is that it has yet to slip below #7 ... despite the number of debuts normally seen in the top 10 in a normal week. I do think people have overrated it though. It is great and has longevity but not really comparable to Thriller in sales ... moreso dominance. She will get the Album Of The Year for '11 and '12 but I can't compare it to Thriller's 2 years. Likewise, you can't compare Thriller to My Fair Lady or West Side Story's back to back dominations ...

If anything, this one is comparable in sales to Purple Rain. Unlike Purple Rain, it didn't need a movie to boost the sales ... if you haven't noticed, although the music on PR is great, the movie helped it. Shipments for Purple Rain and 21 are very close following the one year anniversaries. 9 million compared to 8 million ... not bad. But this is where she's going to pass him in the 2nd year.

[NothingFails]

I think as a whole the argument in question isn't "21 wouldn't sell as much with better competition" as much as an argument that the reason the industry isn't doing better is because there aren't more albums like Adele's. If there were four or five other "blockbusters" out there, it wouldn't take anything away from Adele. It'd be no different than how no less than four albums went diamond in 1999, no artist took any sales from anyone else, there just was more competition in sales.

I'm hoping that the success of Adele (and even to a lesser extent, Mumford And Sons who sold with very little hype or airplay as much as Katy did with five #1 singles) actually is the wake-up call the industry needs about stop pushing manufactured pop (which they've been doing ever since Britney and Backstreet Boys sold such ridiculous numbers in the day) and start going back to pushing something that is more universal. Adele's album is like Jagged Little Pill and Come On Over in the sense that several different age groups and genre demographics are eating it up. The industry has been trying so hard to keep selling disposable pop to children who will just download it for free anyways. Hopefully now the industry will begin to realize that while singles are "kids game", if they want to push albums again, they need to find more artists like Adele and less like Katy and Rihanna. I won't lie and say I don't enjoy a handful of songs of each, but all in all, they make very singles-driven music that doesn't really compel people to own a whole album of theirs the way Adele or Mumford And Sons will draw people who maybe only buy one or two albums a year in to buying theirs.

[davyboy]

The things is, none of those diamond albums Thriller was competing with in the 80´s would have been diamond in a market like today´s, and perhaps, not even Thriller itself. It´s stupid to compare. Thriller was competing with diamond albums in an era when going diamond was common. The biggest sellers of any given year would eventually go diamond. 21 has a nice shot of going diamond in an era where the diamond certification is pretty much dead. I´m not sure if you really don´t get this or just pretend to not.

So what if the album sales in the 80´s were "only" 20% bigger then they are now? Album sales don´t look so miserable now because of huge catalog sales and albums being sold for a buck in the digital market. How much did a #10 album sell in 1985 and how much a #10 album sells today? Sales of catalog albums are masking the fact that sales for current releases are much more miserable then they were in the 80´s. I´m really curious to know if those 80´s diamond albums would have gone diamond in a market where people could download each track separetely? Of course, the album sales would have been terribly hurt by this.

21 is going diamond in a market where going diamond isn´t even an option these days... Thriller sold 19 million in a market where going diamond was relatively common. And all of the aforementioned starts who supposedly faced a much more difficult competition also did so... They had diamond albums when you only needed a few weeks at the bottom of the charts to go gold, albums that never went top 40 were going multi-platinum, etc. Going diamond now is a much bigger achievement then it was in the 80´s and the 90´s and that should not even be open for discussion. People should accept that and move on, even if they are not particularly fans of Adele.

When I check back those old Soundscan charts of the 90´s where the #40 album is selling 40k, and it´s not even November/December, I just think how dellusional those people who think their favourite artists would still have diamond albums in a market where a top 10 album sells 25 k are!

This gets to the point of the argument.

Overall market may be around the same size today as it was in the 80s but sales for the top albums are less. There are many reasons for this - not least because there is far more product on the market today. Partly because listening tastes are more diversified and partly because in 1983 the 'rock and roll era' for want of a better phrase was barely 30 years old....it's twice as old today which means the same sales are split over current material and twice as much catalogue product on sale.

Sensible debate about this is all good though...my main point is that we're in absolutely no position to say "1983/4 competition was stronger than 2011/12 competition".

For example....in my opinion earlier Police albums like Regatta de Blanc and Zenyatta Modata were far superior to Synchronicity. However Synchronicity caught the market with a massive MTV song at a time when the market was good for big albums.

Mylo Xyloto by Coldplay is an above-average Coldplay album (in my personal opinion), for a band with a similar profile to the Police when Synch was released - yet we're supposed to just accept the fact that Police went 8x platinum (or whatever) as opposed to Coldplay's 1 x platinum was down to relative quality and not any market factors?...Because this is the implication of what's being said. Adele's outsold Coldplay about 7:1 but the only reason she is able to dominate like this is because is because (for example) Mylo Xyloto is nothing compared to Synchronicity.

Can anyone similarly make an objective comparison between Can't Slow Down and Doo-Wops and Hooligans and say for sure that a 5:1 sales ratio between these two is down to quality alone and not market?

The problem with the arguments being used is circular. "The reason other albums in the 80s (apart from Thriller) sold more than today's albums (apart from 21) was because they were 'better'. The fact that they were better is proven by the fact that they sold more." (...and therefore by implication, dominating today's market is not quite as big an achievement).

In another thread on this, the point was made about households and population size etc etc....this was a fair point, something that could be worked with to take the debate onto the next level. But this point about competition quality just does not stack up at all because there is no objective way of backing up the point...and today's numbers are too far away from the numbers of the past for it to be down to quality alone.

[skycycle]

You are messing up the thread, I thought there was a specific topic for placing Adele in context?

[davyboy]

You are messing up the thread, I thought there was a specific topic for placing Adele in context?

I know!! I created it, and precisely for this reason!

But sometimes you have to just respond to comments where you find them otherwise you lose the logical flow of the point being discussed....

More than happy for the discussion to continue in the other thread.

http://www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=88497&start=75

[NothingFails]

For example....in my opinion earlier Police albums like Regatta de Blanc and Zenyatta Modata were far superior to Synchronicity. However Synchronicity caught the market with a massive MTV song at a time when the market was good for big albums.

Mylo Xyloto by Coldplay is an above-average Coldplay album (in my personal opinion), for a band with a similar profile to the Police when Synch was released - yet we're supposed to just accept the fact that Police went 8x platinum (or whatever) as opposed to Coldplay's 1 x platinum was down to relative quality and not any market factors?...Because this is the implication of what's being said. Adele's outsold Coldplay about 7:1 but the only reason she is able to dominate like this is because is because (for example) Mylo Xyloto is nothing compared to Synchronicity.

Well you're right. Mylo isn't as good as Coldplay's other albums, and neither was Synchronicity compared to some of the other Police albums. But the difference... Synchronicity had one of the top singles of the decade (if not all time) as a leadoff that certainly helped it spend many of those 17 weeks at #1, while Coldplay's had a few decent singles (Every Teardrop went #1 on my personal chart, Paradise went #2) but really nothing off it that really captivated the public beyond those who are already Coldplay fans.

Can anyone similarly make an objective comparison between Can't Slow Down and Doo-Wops and Hooligans and say for sure that a 5:1 sales ratio between these two is down to quality alone and not market?

Well don't be so harsh on Lionel Richie. True he made pop fluff, but the man had very broad appeal. With Can't Slow Down, he tried to create his own Thriller and was able to reach rock audiences with "Running With The Night" and even made the country chart with "Stuck On You". Was he inoffensive and saccharine? yes... but Bruno Mars is nowhere as across the board appealing as Lionel was in his day. Lionel was a jack of all trades at the time and he had a very charismatic personality that won everyone over. Bruno can't compare.

[Wayne]

Very pleased to see Kelly Clarkson as the #1 digital song of the year!

[oldbloke]

WEEK 10

albums selling over 1,000,000 - this year - 1 / last year - 0
albums selling over 500,000 - this year - 2 / last year - 1
albums selling over 250,000 - this year - 9 / last year - 14
albums selling over 100,000 - this year - 48 / last year - 52
total albums sales - this year - 60.57m (+2.6%) / last year - 59.01m

It's the 10th week of the year, and Bruce Springsteen gets the first new #1 album of 2012 on the BB200 with "Wrecking Ball", selling enough to debut on this list at #16, the only new entry this week.

There are 27 2012 releases on this week's list, and most of them are already dropping down the ranking: Van Halen slip 4-5, Paul McCartney 17-19, Tim McGraw 18-20, Lana Del Rey 21-22, The Fray 24-26.

Early projections show the UK's One Direction on course for #1 on the BB200 next week with "Up All Night" - expected to sell enough for a top 20 debut on this list.

Key: Albums in blue are 2012 releases, albums in green are catalog. * - indicates estimated sales. † - indicates album with christian outlet sales not included.

Rank - Sales - TITLE - Artist
01 - 2,266,702 - 21 - Adele
02 - *596,900 - THE GREATEST HITS - Whitney Houston
03 - 487,628 - NOW 41 - Various
04 - 335,808 - TAKE CARE - Drake
05 - 314,038 - A DIFFERENT KIND OF TRUTH - Van Halen
06 - 310,254 - 19 - Adele
07 - 290,005 - OWN THE NIGHT - Lady Antebellum
08 - 286,705 - MYLO XYLOTO - Coldplay
09 - 280,183 - 2012 GRAMMY NOMINEES - Various
10 - 228,072 - EL CAMINO - Black Keys
11 - 227,983 - TALK THAT TALK - Rihanna
12 - 209,688 - KIDZ BOP 21 - Kidz Bop Kids
13 - 209,376 - SORRY FOR PARTY ROCKING - LMFAO
14 - 205,878 - TM:103: HUSTLERZ AMBITION - Young Jeezy
15 - 198,601 - STRONGER - Kelly Clarkson
16 - 197,573 - WRECKING BALL - Bruce Springsteen
17 - 180,097 - TAILGATES AND TANLINES - Luke Bryan  
18 - 171,881 - MY KINDA PARTY - Jason Aldean
19 - 171,506 - KISSES ON THE BOTTOM - Paul McCartney
20 - 166,349 - EMOTIONAL TRAFFIC - Tim McGraw
21 - 165,079 - HERE AND NOW - Nickelback
22 - 159,636 - BORN TO DIE - Lana Del Rey
23 - 158,107 - BANGARANG (EP) - Skrillex
24 - 157,553 - THA CARTER IV - Lil Wayne
25 - 153,943 - MY LIFE II: THE JOURNEY CONTINUES ACT 1 - Mary J Blige
26 - 143,940 - SCARS AND STORIES - The Fray
27 - 142,362 - WATCH THE THRONE - Jay-Z & Kanye West
28 - 141,977 - THE BAND PERRY - Band Perry
29 - 137,994 - DOO-WOPS & HOOLIGANS - Bruno Mars
30 - *136,100 - THE BODYGUARD - Soundtrack
31 - 135,768 - MAKING MIRRORS - Gotye
32 - 133,151 - SIGH NO MORE - Mumford & Sons
33 - 125,328 - NOW 40 - Various
34 - 123,135 - CLANCY'S TAVERN - Toby Keith
35 - 121,092 - CARELESS WORLD - Tyga
36 - 117,562 - CEREMONIALS - Florence + The Machine
37 - 117,313 - SOME NIGHTS - Fun.
38 - 115,532 - TWILIGHT SAGA: BREAKING DAWN - Soundtrack
39 - 111,599 - CLEAR AS DAY - Scotty McCreery
40 - 110,766 - BARTON HOLLOW - Civil Wars
41 - 107,267 - TORCHES - Foster The People
42 - 106,248 - SPEAK NOW - Taylor Swift
43 - 105,300 - DUETS II - Tony Bennett
44 - 104,718 - HOME - Dierks Bentley
45 - 103,948 - OLD IDEAS - Leonard Cohen
46 - 103,738 - 4 - Beyonce
47 - 102,801 - CHIEF - Eric Church
48 - 102,746 - HANDS ALL OVER - Maroon 5
49 - *96,600 - WHITNEY HOUSTON - Whitney Houston
50 - 95,899 - RESOLUTION - Lamb Of God
51 - 95,112 - LIONESS: HIDDEN TREASURES - Amy Winehouse
52 - 91,813 - FOUR THE RECORD - Miranda Lambert
53 - 89,425 - HALFWAY TO HEAVEN - Brantley Gilbert
54 - 88,644 - TEENAGE DREAM - Katy Perry
55 - 86,215 - RED RIVER BLUE - Blake Shelton
56 - 84,198 - BREAK THE SPELL - Daughtry
57 - 83,494 - SCARY MONSTERS AND NICE SPRITES (EP) - Skrillex
58 - 82,384 - BORN THIS WAY - Lady GaGa
59 - 80,803 - NOTHING BUT THE BEAT - David Guetta
60 - 80,124 - BACK TO LOVE - Anthony Hamilton
61 - 79,104 - THE BEST OF-20TH CENTURY MASTERS… - Etta James
62 - 77,699 - SOUL 2 - Seal
63 - 77,079 - COLE WORLD: THE SIDELINE STORY - J Cole
64 - 76,488 - WZRD - WZRD
65 - 75,776 - WASTING LIGHT - Foo Fighters
66 - *74,900 - I LOOK TO YOU - Whitney Houston
67 - 74,710 - AMERICAN CAPITALIST - Five Finger Death Punch 
68 - 72,473 - MUSIC FROM THE HIT TV SHOW - Fresh Beat Band
69 - 72,345 - FALLEN EMPIRES - Snow Patrol
70 - 71,229 - BON IVER - Bon Iver
71 - 68,956 - YOU GET WHAT YOU GIVE - Zac Brown Band
72 - 68,032 - THE PATH OF TOTALITY - Korn
73 - 66,832 - ULTIMATE HITS: ROCK AND ROLL… - Bob Seger & the Silver Bullet Band
74 - 66,503 - JOYFUL NOISE - Soundtrack
75 - 64,155 - AMBITION - Wale
76 - *63,900 - HUMAN AGAIN - Ingrid Michaelson
77 - 63,841 - PINK FRIDAY - Nicki Minaj
78 - 63,765 - BROTHERS - Black Keys
79 - 63,676 - OPEN INVITATION - Tyrese
80 - 63,145 - RECOVERY - Eminem
81 - 62,366 - LUNGS - Florence + The Machine
82 - 61,416 - PLANET PIT - Pitbull
83 - *59,500 - 100 PROOF - Kellie Pickler
84 - 58,895 - BELIEVE - Celtic Woman
85 - †57,357 - WOW GOSPEL 2012 - Various
86 - *57,100 - CHIMES OF FREEDOM - Various
87 - 56,295 - NUMBER ONE HITS - Tim McGraw
88 - 55,903 - BEYOND MAGNETIC (EP) - Metallica
89 - 55,661 - EVANESCENCE - Evanescence
90 - 53,629 - THE VERY BEST OF - Neil Diamond
91 - †53,000 - GIVE US REST - David Crowder Band
92 - 52,909 - HELL ON HEELS - Pistol Annies
93 - 52,644 - WHEN THE SUN GOES DOWN - Selena Gomez & the Scene
94 - 51,847 - FORMULA VOL.1 - Romeo Santos [/color]
95 - *51,400 - SINATRA: BEST OF THE BEST - Frank Sinatra [/color]
96 - †51,244 - IDENTITY - James Fortune & FIYA
97 - 51,145 - MY WORLD 2.0 - Justin Bieber
98 - †50,461 - GOD LOVE AND ROMANCE - Fred Hammond
99 - 50,061 - GREATEST HITS - Journey
100 - 49,803 - NEED YOU NOW - Lady Antebellum

[oldbloke]

CATALOG ALBUMS WEEK 10

Excludes titles that were moved to catalog during the year. * - indicates estimated sales.

Rank - Sales - TITLE - Artist
01 - *596,900 - THE GREATEST HITS - Whitney Houston
02 - 310,254 - 19 - Adele
03 - *136,100 - THE BODYGUARD - Soundtrack
04 - *96,600 - WHITNEY HOUSTON - Whitney Houston
05 - 79,104 - THE BEST OF-20TH CENTURY MASTERS… - Etta James
06 - *74,900 - I LOOK TO YOU - Whitney Houston
07 - 63,765 - BROTHERS - Black Keys
08 - 63,145 - RECOVERY - Eminem
09 - 62,366 - LUNGS - Florence + The Machine
10 - 51,145 - MY WORLD 2.0 - Justin Bieber
11 - 50,061 - GREATEST HITS - Journey
12 - 49,803 - NEED YOU NOW - Lady Antebellum
13 - 48,967 - 1 - Beatles
14 - 48,778 - THE BEST OF VOLUME 1: THE 60'S - Temptations
15 - 48,346 - NUMBER ONES - Michael Jackson
16 - 48,307 - GREATEST HITS - Guns N'Roses
17 - 48,238 - THE BEST OF-20TH CENTURY MASTERS… - Lynyrd Skynyrd
18 - 47,892 - THE WALL - Pink Floyd
19 - 47,076 - THE BEST OF-20TH CENTURY MASTERS… - Lionel Richie
20 - 45,821 - THE BEST OF-20TH CENTURY MASTERS… - Boyz II Men
21 - 45,413 - FEARLESS - Taylor Swift
22 - 44,605 - THE BEST OF-20TH CENTURY MASTERS… - Barry White
23 - *44,200 - MY LOVE IS YOUR LOVE - Whitney Houston
24 - 43,671 - DARK SIDE OF THE MOON - Pink Floyd
25 - 43,299 - LEGEND - Bob Marley & the Wailers
26 - 42,891 - CHRONICLE:THE 20 GREATEST HITS - Creedence Clearwater Revival
27 - 41,542 - THE FOUNDATION - Zac Brown Band
28 - *41,500 - CELEBRATION - Madonna
29 - 41,216 - THE BEST OF-20TH CENTURY MASTERS… - Eric Clapton
30 - 40,383 - CURTAIN CALL: THE HITS - Eminem
31 - 40,340 - ROCKET MAN: NUMBER ONES - Elton John
32 - *40,000 - I'M YOUR BABY TONIGHT - Whitney Houston
33 - 39,549 - BACK TO BLACK - Amy Winehouse
34 - 39,232 - THE BEST OF-20TH CENTURY MASTERS… - Three Dog Night
35 - 37,614 - SUPER HITS - Willie Nelson
36 - 35,804 - THE BEST OF-20TH CENTURY MASTERS… - Aerosmith  
37 - 35,169 - THE BEST OF-20TH CENTURY MASTERS… - Jackson 5
38 - 34,987 - GREATEST HITS - Bob Seger & the Silver Bullet Band
39 - 33,559 - THE MARSHALL MATHERS LP - Eminem
40 - 32,953 - AN AFTERNOON IN THE GARDEN - Elvis Presley

[thebigham]

Let's hope some of the new albums coming up can sell.

2012-released albums have been disappointing so far.

[oldbloke]

SONGS WEEK 10

Rank - Estimated Sales (m) - TITLE - Artist
01 - 1.93 - WHAT DOESN'T KILL YOU (STRONGER) - Kelly Clarkson
02 - 1.78 - SET FIRE TO THE RAIN - Adele
03 - 1.65 - WE ARE YOUNG - Fun. feat. Janelle Monae
04 - 1.33 - SEXY AND I KNOW IT - LMFAO
05 - 1.26 - YOUNG WILD AND FREE - Snoop Dogg & Wiz Khalifa feat. Bruno Mars
06 - 1.26 - TURN ME ON - David Guetta feat. Nicki Minaj
07 - 1.24 - RACK CITY - Tyga
08 - 1.12 - GOOD FEELING - Flo Rida
09 - 1.05 - WE FOUND LOVE - Rihanna feat. Calvin Harris  
10 - 0.94 - SOMEBODY THAT I USED TO KNOW - Gotye feat. Kimbra
11 - 0.94 - GLAD YOU CAME - The Wanted
12 - 0.93 - NI**AS IN PARIS - Jay-Z & Kanye West
13 - 0.91 - PARTY ROCK ANTHEM - LMFAO feat. Lauren Bennett & GoonRock
14 - 0.91 - DOMINO - Jessie J
15 - 0.91 - SOMEONE LIKE YOU - Adele
16 - 0.90 - THE MOTTO - Drake feat. Lil Wayne
17 - 0.88 - PART OF ME - Katy Perry
18 - 0.88 - ROLLING IN THE DEEP - Adele
19 - 0.87 - INTERNATIONAL LOVE - Pitbull feat. Chris Brown
20 - 0.82 - IT WILL RAIN - Bruno Mars
21 - 0.79 - ASS BACK HOME - Gym Class Heroes feat. Neon Hitch
22 - 0.77 - DANCE (A$$) - Big Sean
23 - 0.75 - I WILL ALWAYS LOVE YOU - Whitney Houston
24 - 0.72 - PARADISE - Coldplay
25 - 0.69 - TAKE CARE - Drake feat. Rihanna
26 - 0.69 - I WON'T GIVE UP - Jason Mraz
27 - 0.68 - STARSHIPS - Nicki Minaj
28 - 0.67 - THE ONE THAT GOT AWAY - Katy Perry
29 - 0.67 - MOVES LIKE JAGGER - Maroon 5 feat. Christina Aguilera
30 - 0.67 - RED SOLO CUP - Toby Keith
31 - 0.66 - NOT OVER YOU - Gavin DeGraw
32 - 0.59 - A THOUSAND YEARS - Christina Perri
33 - 0.58 - I DON'T WANT THIS NIGHT TO END - Luke Bryan
34 - 0.57 - I LIKE IT LIKE THAT - Hot Chelle Rae
35 - 0.56 - WORK OUT - J.Cole
36 - 0.55 - LOVE YOU LIKE A LOVE SONG - Selena Gomez & the Scene
37 - 0.52 - WILD ONES - Flo Rida feat. Sia
38 - 0.51 - STEREO HEARTS - Gym Class Heroes feat. Adam Levine  
39 - 0.49 - DRIVE BY - Train
40 - 0.47 - TONIGHT IS THE NIGHT - Outasight

[herb]

So far, the YTD number is impacted by Grammy and Whitney Houston's death. I do not recall seeing that Grammy impact in 2011.

If I remember correctly, Alicia Keys, Beyonce, and Norah Jones are all won big in Grammy for certain year. Does anyone have their album sales after Grammy? If so, can you share that?

[FliplovesMC]

Hey, Whitney should cross 1 million albums sold for the year, right?

[oldbloke]

If I remember correctly, Alicia Keys, Beyonce, and Norah Jones are all won big in Grammy for certain year. Does anyone have their album sales after Grammy? If so, can you share that?

This shows the post telecast weekly sales boost for the album of the year grammy winner

YEAR ARTIST ALBUM SALES PREV WK % INC

2012 ADELE 21 729,900 237,479 207

2011 ARCADE FIRE THE SUBURBS 40,840 12,075 238

2010 TAYLOR SWIFT FEARLESS 52,968 33,562 58

2009 ROBERT PLANT & ALISON KRAUSS RAISING SAND 76,515 9,383 715

2008 HERBIE HANCOCK RIVER: THE JONI LETTERS 53,812 5,044 967

2007 DIXIE CHICKS TAKING THE LONG WAY 103,407 12,704 714

2006 U2 HOW TO DISMANTLE AN ATOMIC BOMB 27,467 4,489 512

2005 RAY CHARLES GENIUS LOVES COMPANY 224,430 74,294 202

2004 OUTKAST SPEAKERBOXXX/LOVE BELOW 274,936 111,323 147

2003 NORAH JONES COME AWAY WITH ME 621,030 144,245 331

2002 SOUNDTRACK O BROTHER WHERE ART THOU 209,227 58,331 259

2001 STEELY DAN TWO AGAINST NATURE 31,922 3,765 748

2000 SANTANA SUPERNATURAL 583,071 219,143 166

and for Beyonce and Alicia Keys…

2010 I AM…SASHA FIERCE 32,192 16,039 101

2004 DANGEROUSLY IN LOVE 99,033 49,238 101

2005 THE DIARY OF 73,947 29,759 148

2002 SONGS IN A MINOR 102,886 47,813 115