Whitney's cause of death, Accidental Drowning

by **danbarj** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 4:52 pm

MonaBlissa wrote:Reading is fundamental.

Discussions or even debates are not arguments.

Just because some of us questioned the "illegal vs. prescribed" debate in the drug/pharmaceutical field, it doesn't mean people are being delusional. Some of us are educated on prescribed and illegal drugs.

by **preyan** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 5:10 pm

And proving ones point will??? Bring Whitmey back from the dead? Make others feel stupid? Make one feel superior?

:roll:

Whitney is ashamed of all y'all right now! Most likely turning in her grave too!!! :roll:

by **MonaBlissa** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 5:14 pm

I gave my view on "Big Pharma" for education purposes, I won't give my career background, but a lot of what you believe is "healthy" or "normal" is all marketing and lies.

Although heart disease is the #1 killer of women in America, and prescription drugs in the #1 addiction, prescription drugs and tainted food will never get the hate, judgment over its addiction like cocaine. I'm leveling the plane, because I've heard very cruel remarks online, and a lot of it was based around ignorance.

***Let me stop beating an offended dead horse***

by **Wardo** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 5:28 pm

sambo9 wrote:Why are some people getting so defensive over the idea that cocaine might've been a factor?

Exactly.

I actually can understand MonaBlissa's point, about medicines and everything, but let's face it: she died due to a combination of factors.

by **Titan3510** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 5:42 pm

You see it's times like this when I really question the intelligence of people...

Cocaine did not kill Whitney Houston. She drowned.

Other than the fact that her lungs were filled with water, the perscription drugs she had in her system contributed to her death more than cocaine did...

Because if cocaine had killed her, she would've died very differently...

Her autopsy report would've shown that...

by **YesMC** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:00 pm

MonaBlissa wrote:Bobby Brown's Sister Blames Ray J (and possibly Pat Houston)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bua-xvQa ... ure=colike

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYjd_-yq ... ure=colike

http://youtu.be/egz_KJSVawY

They can blame whoever they want but like Whitney said, the biggest devil was herself.
She got herself into that situation and she was the only one that could have gotten herself out if it.
We can help addicted people in some way but if they don't want to be helped there's nothing we can do.
Like Wendy Williams said, Whitney didn't take full reponsability for her drug use, she used to say it was just a bad habit and blame it on Bobby Brown. The first step in cases like that is acceptance. She needed to accept she had a problem.
I really feel sorry for her but on the other hand she had a nice life, she was rich, she married, she had a daughter, she had a nice family, she had one of the biggest voice in the planet, she had fun with the drugs (we only look at the bad side of it but she did had fun), she was pretty, she will be known forever. That's what life is about...she lived to the fullest.

by **Wardo** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:20 pm

Titan3510 wrote:She drowned.

Other than the fact that her lungs were filled with water, the perscription drugs she had in her system contributed to her death more than cocaine did...

Of course she drowned. But the combination of drugs played a major role to lead her to collapse.

Now, to say if this or that drug contributed more or less before the drowning is merely speculation, I agree.

Titan3510 wrote:You see it's times like this when I really question the intelligence of people...

I question, besides this, the lack of kindness in any sort of debate.

by **Titan3510** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:36 pm

Wardo wrote:
Titan3510 wrote:She drowned.

Other than the fact that her lungs were filled with water, the perscription drugs she had in her system contributed to her death more than cocaine did...
Of course she drowned. But the combination of drugs played a major role to lead her to collapse.

Now, to say if this or that drug contributed more or less before the drowning is merely speculation, I agree.

I agree.

Titan3510 wrote:You see it's times like this when I really question the intelligence of people...
I question, besides this, the lack of kindness in any sort of debate.

Wardo...

It is simply unintelligent when people are simply trying to stop the buck at "Whitney died of cocaine abuse" when her body showed no evidence of that...

That's like me saying that "when human blood is exposed it oxygen, it turns green."

Although blood does change color when it's exposed to oxygen...the color it changes to is not green.

Everyone who knows anything about illegal narcotics is that cocaine will give you a massive heart attack before it'll do anything else.

Yet her body shows no sign of a heart attack nor of cardiac arrest.

So...when people continue to insist that cocaine caused her death, what am I supposed to think? Am I supposed to think them geniuses?

Because people are refusing to acknowledge that legal drugs are causing just as much trouble or even more trouble than illegal drugs, more people will continue to die.

by **MonaBlissa** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:54 pm

Titan3510 wrote:
Because people are refusing to acknowledge that legal drugs are causing just as much trouble or even more trouble than illegal drugs, more people will continue to die.

*Do coke for 20 years...heart problem
*Fast Food..............heart disease
*Prescribed painkillers or cough syrup others....heart risk.

All have similar endings, but drug cartels aren't corporations.

by **MonaBlissa** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:03 pm

YesMC wrote:
MonaBlissa wrote:Bobby Brown's Sister Blames Ray J (and possibly Pat Houston)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bua-xvQa ... ure=colike

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYjd_-yq ... ure=colike

http://youtu.be/egz_KJSVawY
They can blame whoever they want but like Whitney said, the biggest devil was herself.
She got herself into that situation and she was the only one that could have gotten herself out if it.
We can help addicted people in some way but if they don't want to be helped there's nothing we can do.
Like Wendy Williams said, Whitney didn't take full reponsability for her drug use, she used to say it was just a bad habit and blame it on Bobby Brown. The first step in cases like that is acceptance. She needed to accept she had a problem.
I really feel sorry for her but on the other hand she had a nice life, she was rich, she married, she had a daughter, she had a nice family, she had one of the biggest voice in the planet, she had fun with the drugs (we only look at the bad side of it but she did had fun), she was pretty, she will be known forever. That's what life is about...she lived to the fullest.

She did live a full life and I think she was fully aware of her problem in the latter part of her addiction. She may have had stress triggers like her declining career, damaged voice, upcoming publicity from a new movie, health and weight gain and mid-life crises. She was spiraling.

I know of clean addicts who reverted after 7 years. And one who tried drugs after being clean long-term and died. I personally know one who had health problems after he stopped, but they didn't appear when he was using it.

by **spiritboy** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 8:41 pm

I really don't care about cocaine. She died. For me the BEST voice and one of the greatest talents of this earth has passed away. Every time i listen to her, it hurts. All we can do right now is respect and pray for her.

by **danbarj** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 9:48 pm

spiritboy wrote:I really don't care about cocaine. She died. For me the BEST voice and one of the greatest talents of this earth has passed away. Every time i listen to her, it hurts. All we can do right now is respect and pray for her.

by **jio** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 4:03 pm

Wow at the discussion going on here...

...although I won't disagree with the people who mentioned the various shortcomings, ills and guilts of Big Pharma, whether she died from drowning alone or drowning caused by cocaine or by other meds is completely irrelevant. Cocaine abuse proves that this was a woman addicted to substances (and if you are addicted to an extremely dangerous illegal substance, then it is more likely you would let yourself being addicted to less dangerous legal ones too) and had no respect for her own body and life... And cocaine addiction does cause various symptoms which need to be treated with other medicine so I wouldn't dare pretend to be sure that cocaine is nowhere to blame

I'd say let's blame it on cocaine (directly or indirectly doesn't matter) because like that at least something positive can come out of her death. If we just blame it on luck or an unlucky moment, it just becomes a silly pointless death and my Whitney deserves a bit more than that

by **Wayne** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 4:08 pm

MonaBlissa wrote:*Do coke for 20 years...heart problem
*Fast Food..............heart disease
*Prescribed painkillers or cough syrup others....heart risk.

All have similar endings, but drug cartels aren't corporations.

Of course medicines carry a risk, but you can hardly group them with cocaine, that's absurd.

by **danbarj** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 4:55 pm

My father did cocaine, like Whit, for well over 30 years. He's still alive with no major health issues since he kicked it. A friend in her mid 20s died from Xanax.

A drug is a drug. What you do with it, your indulgence and restraint, are the biggest factors. Yeah, I group all drugs the same.

Either way, Whit died from drowning and I pray we always remember hef contributions to music!

by **Titan3510** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 5:13 pm

People need to realize the danger of perscription drugs.

Just because they are perscribed and because they are legal doesn't mean that they are safe.

People die from perscription drug use on a regular. And even more people are completely addicted to perscription drugs.

Drugs are drugs.

You can't blame this on cocaine because there would be physical indicators that cocaine caused it.

I don't think you guys understand how you guys have been hoodwinked into believing that legal drugs are not dangerous and illegal ones are...

by **danbarj** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 6:23 pm

Titan3510 wrote:People need to realize the danger of perscription drugs.

Just because they are perscribed and because they are legal doesn't mean that they are safe.

People die from perscription drug use on a regular. And even more people are completely addicted to perscription drugs.

Drugs are drugs.

You can't blame this on cocaine because there would be physical indicators that cocaine caused it.

I don't think you guys understand how you guys have been hoodwinked into believing that legal drugs are not dangerous and illegal ones are...

by **Star** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 6:55 pm

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... rscription

by **Titan3510** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 6:56 pm

My bad.

I guess I was spelling it the way we talk here...

by **Star** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 7:04 pm

Cute <3

by **MonaBlissa** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:25 pm

jio wrote:Wow at the discussion going on here...

...although I won't disagree with the people who mentioned the various shortcomings, ills and guilts of Big Pharma, whether she died from drowning alone or drowning caused by cocaine or by other meds is completely irrelevant. Cocaine abuse proves that this was a woman addicted to substances (and if you are addicted to an extremely dangerous illegal substance, then it is more likely you would let yourself being addicted to less dangerous legal ones too) and had no respect for her own body and life... And cocaine addiction does cause various symptoms which need to be treated with other medicine so I wouldn't dare pretend to be sure that cocaine is nowhere to blame

I'd say let's blame it on cocaine (directly or indirectly doesn't matter) because like that at least something positive can come out of her death. If we just blame it on luck or an unlucky moment, it just becomes a silly pointless death and my Whitney deserves a bit more than that

Oh, and all the Americans that are addicted to food, meds and toxins, we ingest ignorantly out of stress don't care about themselves either?

Why does cocaine addiction merit such hate and judgment when fast food and America's pesticide-hormone-ridden-food and prescribed medicine eventually gives the same outcome---death, illness, addiction.

I just realized I was addicted to dairy, after going through a cleanse. The dairy I was eating could have eventually led to heart disease or diabetes or even cancer. Will you judge me as someone who cared nothing about myself because "dairy" was my medicine for stress and hell in life.

by **MonaBlissa** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:26 pm

Titan3510 wrote:I don't think you guys understand how you guys have been hoodwinked into believing that legal drugs are not dangerous and illegal ones are...

And I despise the hate and judgments from "cocaine" when meds, SAD (standard American diet) can give you the same addiction and heart problems as cocaine.

by **jio** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:31 pm

Are you really comparing cocaine to cheese?

by **Titan3510** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:15 pm

jio wrote:Are you really comparing cocaine to cheese?

Well...too much of both will give you one helluva heart attack...

by **MonaBlissa** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:09 pm

jio wrote:Are you really comparing cocaine to cheese?

Actually yes. Cow's milk has a natural addictive agent (casein) because it's meant for baby cows. But in the U.S., since most cows have growth hormones and feed on pesticide-ridden corn, which is subsidized by big-evil-Monsato-businesses, we have a health care crisis of cancer and heart disease. Boom, pow!

Exploding health care costs in the U.S. aren't prevented, because Big Pharma get's rich. Many diabetics, heart patients, cancer patients illnesses are rooted in cow by-products (meat, milk, cheese). Boom, pow again!

Cheese can kill, people get addicted, but in the process of their illness, Big Pharma get's rich. Nobody judges.