Trayvon Martin murder case

by **urbanmusik** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 9:36 pm

It's awful to that racism can ultimately drive people to do senseless things like this.

by **Titan3510** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 10:24 pm

MonaBlissa wrote:I'm aware on hate on all sides. And I'm not necessarily against guns. For city living, I can understand restrictions, but for rural areas, I can't let bears get me.

I'm not against guns either. But something needs to be done.

Friends fear for safety of man who shot Florida teen

http://news.yahoo.com/friends-fear-safe ... 52483.html

If you read the comments section, you should know the general consensus of the American public...

Such a shame...

by **danbarj** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:22 pm

I'm glad of the cons of this happening. Not the death of course, but perhaps people will look at the US for what it is - black pres or not. Racism is very much alive.

@Titan - while the shoe can be worn on the other foot as it relates to blacks doing hate crimes, it is usually in retaliation for the centuries of abuse we've endured here. It's so much deeper.

by **android** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:46 am

MonaBlissa wrote:It's a sad burden for black parents to warn their kids for another generation about "being black while breathing" in America.

It's a shame. These are experiences that my grandmother and mother spoke of, it is happening in a generation beyond me. Sadly, these stories are no different from my gg-grandparents generation. But, idiot boxes like to live in denial.

There seems to be a dark side lurking in most humans a side which allows people to be manipulated into stereotyping, discrimination and bigotry so one has to always be vigilant. Your grandparents and great grand parents had to endure much hardship. I would hope America is a better place today than what it was for them. America can never go back to slavery, or the Jim Crow laws with its disgusting segregation of public schools, public places, and public transportation, and the segregation of restrooms, restaurants, and drinking fountains for whites and blacks.

America has its problems but it can move forward you do have an Afro American President, America has far more effective anti discrimination laws now than the past. Many Afro Americans are highly successful. African Americans have improved their social and economic standing significantly since the Civil Rights Movement and recent decades have seen the expansion of a robust, African American middle class across the United States. There is unprecedented access to higher education and employment in addition to representation in the highest levels of American government all gained by African Americans in the post-civil rights era.

Sure there is still poverty and pronounced economic, educational and social disadvantage but there is hope.

by **MonaBlissa** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 2:15 am

@Android - America has tackled issues in a short time that ancient cultures haven't tackled or overcame. I applaud that as an American. And post-civil rights blacks lived with the economic genocide and social trauma and ostracism of forced integration, a whole other topic, and simultaneously marginalization.

But racism isn't far removed from me. I've experienced racism, my siblings, parents and every generation of my family since we arrived here. I will never forget my life or family's genealogy. And to see a black president get treated worse than all the presidents I've encountered in my life, just references my family's stories.

Travon is a reflection of the treatment black Americans have endured. We fought in every war, built this nation and get treated as disposables.

by **danbarj** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 2:38 am

Yes Mona, I agree! We must soldier on but the institutionalized injustices to the black race are still prevalent...

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/ ... von-martin

by **android** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 2:47 am

MonaBlissa wrote:@Android - America has tackled issues in a short time that ancient cultures haven't tackled or overcame. I applaud that as an American. And post-civil rights blacks lived with the economic genocide and social trauma and ostracism of forced integration, a whole other topic, and simultaneously marginalization.

But racism isn't far removed from me. I've experienced racism, my siblings, parents and every generation of my family since we arrived here. I will never forget my life or family's genealogy. And to see a black president get treated worse than all the presidents I've encountered in my life, just references my family's stories.

Travon is a reflection of the treatment black Americans have endured. We fought in every war, built this nation and get treated as disposables.

You should never forget the struggles your family and yourself have endured. I too do not like the treatment given to President Obama but there is a very good chance he will over come this, rise above it and win the next election. Nor do I like what happened to young Travon. Yes there is hardship, injustice and mistreatment but I would like to think there is still opportunity and hope for America.

by **MonaBlissa** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 2:34 pm

@There is hope, but America is much more complex than race. We're trying to avoid a general class war. We are a capitalist nation; the blinders are off for some and the blame is on for others. I have a problem with the people blaming everyone else but themselves and the true culprit of our problems.

by **Titan3510** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 3:20 pm

In all honesty, I don't think there is hope. The country is beginning to fall apart from the inside.

by **naughtynae** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 3:26 pm

This is a case I have been following closely it has moved me more than I ever thought I could have imagined.

by **MonaBlissa** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 5:10 pm

Titan3510 wrote:In all honesty, I don't think there is hope. The country is beginning to fall apart from the inside.

If we want to go there, I somewhat agree with you, and I am preparing myself internally and internationally for that.

I've postponed watching the movie Collapse, because so much of my recent studies and reads have been on Peak Oil and Environmental Issues, and I'm saddened that the Third World may be more prepared for a system break down than the average American citizen. Three days without electricity can be turmoil.

by **Titan3510** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 5:27 pm

^ Well...in all honesty, I can live a week without electricity...

I don't know if you remember Hurricane Ike...yeah...I was without power for a week and I managed just fine...

naughtynae wrote:This is a case I have been following closely it has moved me more than I ever thought I could have imagined.

What makes you say that?

by **MonaBlissa** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 5:41 pm

Titan3510 wrote:^ Well...in all honesty, I can live a week without electricity...

I don't know if you remember Hurricane Ike...yeah...I was without power for a week and I managed just fine...

I've been through 4 Hurricanes, and the last one was hell. I saw what people are capable of when they feel their survival,no,"comfortable survival," is at risk.

This is why I have a prepper/sustainable mentality, and that will be through-and-through with my life. I no longer see people the same after experiencing a natural disaster, and seeing the behaviors of people in the workforce when the economy crashed in 2008. I see the world differently. I truly pray for justice for Travon.

Faith is all I have, because I don't see people the same anymore.

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What a beautiful Open Letter from Sinead O'Connor

http://www.smileyandwest.com/treyvon-le ... Connor.pdf

by **Titan3510** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:57 pm

MonaBlissa wrote:I see the world differently. I truly pray for justice for Travon.

Faith is all I have, because I don't see people the same anymore.

Hmmm...I definitely understand what you're saying.

But what's really bothering me is that no one (i.e. non-black people) seems to care. No matter where I turn, I'm not seeing.

Not here in America. And definitely not on UKMix.

It makes me wonder. It really makes me wonder.

What a beautiful Open Letter from Sinead O'Connor

http://www.smileyandwest.com/treyvon-le ... Connor.pdf

That was really nice of her.

by **MonaBlissa** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:25 am

@Titan3510 - That's another thing. In the 90's latino groups partnered with African-American groups, for their OWN civil rights, but the favor was rarely returned. I remember having a conversation with an elderly latino man years ago, and he felt Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton were jumping on the Latino bandwagon, because of their recent population growth. I had the put this man in check, and give him a "recent" history lesson of latino groups who partnered with African-Americans to advanced. Let's just say, he shifted his conversations to whites. If we don't take care of our own, and extend that to all humanity, we're doomed. I saw the start of "doomed" behavior in the beginning of 2008.

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I think the police committed as bad of a crime as Zimmerman.

by **rihmonster** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:46 am

Its truly amazing how I have yet to see anything about this case up until recently, and I dont understand how it was self defense if the weapon the kid had was a bag of skittles...... Truly baffaling.

by **neoepzilon** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:05 am

He killed a boy who posed no threat to him. White, Black, Asian, or Martian, what he did was wrong.

But I have a good feeling that he will not get off like Casey Anthony did. I'm just waiting for things to play out.

by **ThaInfo1** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:27 am

neoepzilon wrote:He killed a boy who posed no threat to him. White, Black, Asian, or Martian, what he did was wrong.

But I have a good feeling that he will not get off like Casey Anthony did. I'm just waiting for things to play out.

Let's hope so. *crosses fingurs*

My college had rally today for this case...it awesome to see so many people behind this. It was over 2,000 people.

by **Titan3510** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 7:17 pm

I knew it was only a matter of time before they'd do something like this...but apparently Trayvon was the attacker...

Source: http://www.gazette.com/articles/fla-135868-martin-new.html

by **NothingFails** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:42 pm

I was stunned after seeing Zimmerman's picture. The media pretty much painted him as this uber-Aryan looking skinhead type of guy, and I don't think he is exactly white himself, he looks Latino.

Regardless of nationality, his ass belongs in jail.

by **Titan3510** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:56 pm

They have to arrest him first. :roll:

by **neoepzilon** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:56 pm

NothingFails wrote:I was stunned after seeing Zimmerman's picture. The media pretty much painted him as this uber-Aryan looking skinhead type of guy, and I don't think he is exactly white himself, he looks Latino.

Regardless of nationality, his ass belongs in jail.

One of his parents are supposedly latino, but what is that suppose to mean? Hispanic or latino is not a race. And this story isn't about race.

This 200+ lb man stalked and killed a child. That is all.

by **NothingFails** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:04 pm

neoepzilon wrote:
NothingFails wrote:I was stunned after seeing Zimmerman's picture. The media pretty much painted him as this uber-Aryan looking skinhead type of guy, and I don't think he is exactly white himself, he looks Latino.

Regardless of nationality, his ass belongs in jail.
One of his parents are supposedly latino, but what is that suppose to mean? Hispanic or latino is not a race. And this story isn't about race.

This 200+ lb man stalked and killed a child. That is all.

The media has made it a race issue. They've painted it as this racist Klansman piece of shit killing a black guy for no reason except racism. Once you see what the guy looks like, it completely kills the theory American media painted him as being, because Aryan groups wouldn't accept him any more than Trayvon, but yet they claim he's one of those types who belong to hate groups.

by **Titan3510** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:21 pm

^ That's why you should do your own research and be very careful when you listen to the news...

The media was/is trying to paint it as a standard black v. white issue when it's not...but whatever. You can just look at George Zimmerman and see that he's not white.

But that doesn't matter. Just because it's not in between black people and white people, doesn't mean the story is not about race.

Racism has never left the building...

...but ever since Obama became President, things have gotten ugly...

by **MonaBlissa** » Wed Mar 28, 2012 4:20 am

This story is about murder and race.

-Racial Profiling
-Murder
-Justice apathy (race)
-General apathy

The police did not do further investigation, while news is coming out that homicide detective Chris Serino didn't believe Zimmerman's story, and wanted to charge him, but the State's Attorney's office ignored his statement.

The police committed just as bad of a crime as Zimmerman.

A black man would have been arrested, interrogated, and investigated on the spot if he murdered a teen.