The Hits Daily Double Thread

by **Danzo** » Fri Mar 30, 2012 12:54 am

argentino78 wrote:
Danzo wrote:
argentino78 wrote:
jules25 wrote:
Lionel Ritchie - Another "artist" switching genres to sell records, what ever happend to artistic integrity?
That's exactly what I thought when I've heard GAYL... = a teenpop flavoured tune with girlish generic lyrics, featuring one of the hot (overexposed) stars of the moment... just to get some attention... Really? What Artistic integrity?
Immature much ? What Madonna has to do with her/him post ? Grow up...
He was talking about "artistic integrity" in a post related to Madonna and Lionel Ritchie's sales.
Don't tell me to grow up please. Or better don't talk to me.

Wrong ! The post is about 50 different albums in the US, not only about Madonna or Lionel Ritchie's sales...

Your pressed comment is just because he/she is a Madonna fan.

by **NothingFails** » Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:28 am

Gustavo actually is a pretty artist-neutral fan. He likes Madonna but also has many others he's a big fan of. I don't think he was slamming Madonna because he's presented himself as a fan many times, he's just not fond of the MDNA material.

by **joao** » Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:59 am

35k for Katy Perry´s re-release, that´s kind of embarrassing. :roll:

And lol to any Madonna fan criticizing other artists for changing styles to remain relevant... isn´t she praised for the exact same reason? :roll:

by **NothingFails** » Fri Mar 30, 2012 2:16 am

Has there ever been another album selling so well as a catalog title solely on the back of a smash album the way 19 has? Even Michael Jackson never saw quite this level of consistent back-catalog success during Thriller that 19 has done ever since 21 hit shelves.

by **GUS** » Fri Mar 30, 2012 2:17 am

NothingFails wrote:Has there ever been another album selling so well as a catalog title solely on the back of a smash album the way 19 has? Even Michael Jackson never saw quite this level of consistent back-catalog success during Thriller that 19 has done ever since 21 hit shelves.

Not in modern times... what about the Beatles, Elvis or Rolling Stones in the 60s? Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd or Eagles in the 70s?

by **NothingFails** » Fri Mar 30, 2012 2:22 am

argentino78 wrote:
NothingFails wrote:Has there ever been another album selling so well as a catalog title solely on the back of a smash album the way 19 has? Even Michael Jackson never saw quite this level of consistent back-catalog success during Thriller that 19 has done ever since 21 hit shelves.
Not in modern times... what about the Beatles, Elvis or Rolling Stones in the 60s? Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd or Eagles in the 70s?

Judging from chart records, not even in those cases have we ever saw something like this in being a top 10/20/40 album for over a year just as a catalog title. In comparison, "Off The Wall" made it to #44 in March 1984 when logging 85 additional weeks between 83-84 as a result of Thriller-mania, 19's never even been that low since 21 hit.

by **denise** » Fri Mar 30, 2012 8:28 am

joao wrote:35k for Katy Perry´s re-release, that´s kind of embarrassing.

And lol to any Madonna fan criticizing other artists for changing styles to remain relevant... isn´t she praised for the exact same reason?

Madonna changed style,mood, image when she was at the absolute top (Erotica era) and actually didn't need to stay relevant :roll:

last.fm/hugom2c · by **hugo** » Fri Mar 30, 2012 8:32 am

Wow Madonna, those are some impressive numbers

by **Play** » Fri Mar 30, 2012 8:41 am

Mdna's sales will tumble hugely next week but let's enjoy that big debut now! 8-)

by **starshine90** » Fri Mar 30, 2012 10:11 am

Will Billboard combine sales figures of TD:TCC with Teenage Dream?

by **FadingLight** » Fri Mar 30, 2012 10:23 am

Play wrote:Mdna's sales will tumble hugely next week but let's enjoy that big debut now!

by **Euromillions** » Fri Mar 30, 2012 10:25 am

NothingFails wrote: Has there ever been another album selling so well as a catalog title solely on the back of a smash album the way 19 has? Even Michael Jackson never saw quite this level of consistent back-catalog success during Thriller that 19 has done ever since 21 hit shelves.

I think the lack of responses to the contrary would indicate no.

by **ginnyfan** » Fri Mar 30, 2012 10:46 am

marcsgirl85 wrote:to fault Lionel for trying to stay relevant when he's been in the business since the late 60's he knows what he's doing

Comments criticizing him for this are ridiculous, especially from Madonna fans who is making teen music and acting as one to stay relevant.
:lol:

Nothing wrong with trying a different genre.

Anyway, great opening week for MDNA, good for her, especially with no hit singles.

by **denise** » Fri Mar 30, 2012 11:47 am

ginnyfan wrote:
marcsgirl85 wrote:to fault Lionel for trying to stay relevant when he's been in the business since the late 60's he knows what he's doing
Comments criticizing him for this are ridiculous, especially from Madonna fans who is making teen music and acting as one to stay relevant.

Nothing wrong with trying a different genre.

Anyway, great opening week for MDNA, good for her, especially with no hit singles.

It was just one guy who noticed that...no need to call up every 5 minutes "Madonna Fans" Ginnyfan just to cause drama :roll:

!!

by **NorfolkScot** » Fri Mar 30, 2012 11:49 am

ginnyfan wrote:
marcsgirl85 wrote:to fault Lionel for trying to stay relevant when he's been in the business since the late 60's he knows what he's doing
Comments criticizing him for this are ridiculous, especially from Madonna fans who is making teen music and acting as one to stay relevant.

Nothing wrong with trying a different genre.

Anyway, great opening week for MDNA, good for her, especially with no hit singles.

This coming from a Gaga stan

by **thebigham** » Fri Mar 30, 2012 3:10 pm

joao wrote:35k for Katy Perry´s re-release, that´s kind of embarrassing.

And lol to any Madonna fan criticizing other artists for changing styles to remain relevant... isn´t she praised for the exact same reason?

Nope. Katy's 35k was in line with the original industry estimation of 39k.

by **thebigham** » Fri Mar 30, 2012 3:11 pm

starshine90 wrote:Will Billboard combine sales figures of TD:TCC with Teenage Dream?

I think they are counting it as separate release.

by **thebigham** » Fri Mar 30, 2012 3:16 pm

joao wrote:
thebigham wrote:MDNA has received mostly positive reviews.

joao, what do you mean that the leaked material is "horrible."

Sounds more like a personal opinion to me...
I said "leaked" because I haven´t heard the entire album, just the tracks that leaked days before.

It´s a personal opinion, but it seems to be shared with a lot of people (since her singles have failed miserably this time around despite colossal promo). The vocals are awful, the lyrics would fit for a teenager not a 53 year old woman, and the lead single is completely tuneless. No wonder even with a Superbowl performance watched by +100 million, young superstar collabs, and a Clear Channel payola deal, the song couldn even become moderately sucessful. It might not even go gold, which is pathetic for today´s market.

Of course the album was going to be #1... she has a solid fanbase that will blind buy the album, in different versions (deluxe, regular edition, etc) but after that it´s over... 60k on the 2nd week and out of the top 10 in no-time! I could be wrong but I don´t see this album outselling Hard Candy at all.

Madonna fans are thrilled with the album. They like it much better than Hard Candy.

Yes, GMAYL bombed. We all know this. The song sucked.

by **NothingFails** » Fri Mar 30, 2012 6:01 pm

thebigham wrote:
joao wrote:
thebigham wrote:MDNA has received mostly positive reviews.

joao, what do you mean that the leaked material is "horrible."

Sounds more like a personal opinion to me...
I said "leaked" because I haven´t heard the entire album, just the tracks that leaked days before.

It´s a personal opinion, but it seems to be shared with a lot of people (since her singles have failed miserably this time around despite colossal promo). The vocals are awful, the lyrics would fit for a teenager not a 53 year old woman, and the lead single is completely tuneless. No wonder even with a Superbowl performance watched by +100 million, young superstar collabs, and a Clear Channel payola deal, the song couldn even become moderately sucessful. It might not even go gold, which is pathetic for today´s market.

Of course the album was going to be #1... she has a solid fanbase that will blind buy the album, in different versions (deluxe, regular edition, etc) but after that it´s over... 60k on the 2nd week and out of the top 10 in no-time! I could be wrong but I don´t see this album outselling Hard Candy at all.
Madonna fans are thrilled with the album. They like it much better than Hard Candy.

Yes, GMAYL bombed. We all know this. The song sucked.

+1.

I think in M's fan circles, the response to GMAYL was tepid at best. The fans like the album.

The problem is that critics want ROL II and this is a cheesy fun pop album with a couple "serious" songs.

by **ginnyfan** » Fri Mar 30, 2012 11:36 pm

denise wrote:
ginnyfan wrote:
marcsgirl85 wrote:to fault Lionel for trying to stay relevant when he's been in the business since the late 60's he knows what he's doing
Comments criticizing him for this are ridiculous, especially from Madonna fans who is making teen music and acting as one to stay relevant.

Nothing wrong with trying a different genre.

Anyway, great opening week for MDNA, good for her, especially with no hit singles.
It was just one guy who noticed that...no need to call up every 5 minutes "Madonna Fans" Ginnyfan just to cause drama !!

I have seen other comments as well cause some were scared he could be a danger for US No1 spot.

Anyway, everyone does their own thing in the battle to survive on music market.

by **tada** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 1:49 am

Katy's figures are not good totally :-?

But c'mon, it's just re-release :wink:

by **Timmy94** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 9:34 am

tada wrote:Katy's figures are not good totally But c'mon, it's just re-release

Rihanna's GGGB sold 63k in the week of the re-release's release... Both have similiar totals, mainly sell singles and have a similiar media presence, so 35k falls off to that...

Not to forget that the respectively new single of both reached No. 1 for exactly one week (Take A Bow/Part Of Me)...

by **jules25** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 10:41 am

Timmy94 wrote:
tada wrote:Katy's figures are not good totally But c'mon, it's just re-release
Rihanna's GGGB sold 63k in the week of the re-release's release... Both have similiar totals, mainly sell singles and have a similiar media presence, so 35k falls off to that...

Not to forget that the respectively new single of both reached No. 1 for exactly one week (Take A Bow/Part Of Me)...

I really don't see the point in rereleasing a 18/19 month old album.

by **Timmy94** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 10:56 am

Official point: Have a possibility for fans to have an enlarged era/expansion of their colletion/give people a reason to buy the album who had doubts before

Inofficial point: To make more money, to raise album sales (mainly when a label thinks an album hasn't reached its potential and you can still exploit the project)...

by **ginnyfan** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 11:33 am

I wish they would somehow forbid rerelasing. :oops:

It's just a shameless way to make larger album sales for albums that did average.