Mariah Carey

[Eamon]

Yeah I can't wait to hear the names of other producers too.

[MichielMC]

Mariah could have been in that Rick Ross song that features Chrisette Michelle and Drake. I think it's called "B.M.F". Or what if Mariah did he hook in a Khaled song (the ones where there's like 4 rappers) that features Rozay? So much questions.

Anyways, don't forget to vote on the UKMIX Hall Of Fame.

did it thx for the link

[hotMCfan]

She should do a "I Know What You Want" before the lead single drop!

[Luminator]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMCORPat ... re=related

Her voice was so f*cked up in this interview

[Titan3510]

You guys like Rick Ross?

And why does Mariah need a "I Know What You Want."

[Star]

Anyways, don't forget to vote on the UKMIX Hall Of Fame

Promo <3

[Eamon]

And why does Mariah need a "I Know What You Want."

This is why I think she needs a collab like that and even if she doesn't collab on another person's song, she needs some hot collabs on her own album:

Mariah needs hype to generate interest in her own record. She didn't deliver with "Memoirs" and people are nervous as to what she will come out with next. Working with someone current get's people interested and it opens her up to that rappers audience too. When she did "I Know What You Want" people started to look for Mariah again. I know she's not in that type of situation but she will need radio support when her own single drops and there's no harm in working with current people to generate that interest.

[NorthernMonkey]

I love her look here!!

[hotMCfan]

And why does Mariah need a "I Know What You Want."

This is why I think she needs a collab like that and even if she doesn't collab on another person's song, she needs some hot collabs on her own album:

Mariah needs hype to generate interest in her own record. She didn't deliver with "Memoirs" and people are nervous as to what she will come out with next. Working with someone current get's people interested and it opens her up to that rappers audience too. When she did "I Know What You Want" people started to look for Mariah again. I know she's not in that type of situation but she will need radio support when her own single drops and there's no harm in working with current people to generate that interest.

My thoughts, exactly. *claps*

[hotMCfan]

Alicia Keys really benefited with Empire State of Mind. Her first single bombed and her 2nd single, surprisingly, failed to meet expectations.

[stevyy]

Anyways, don't forget to vote on the UKMIX Hall Of Fame

Promo <3

Mariah vs. Queen
17:14 right now.

let's throw disco back where it belongs, to the 70's.

[Eamon]

^^^ Yeah keep voting for Mimi!! She's the only "queen" in that head to head!

[Titan3510]

And why does Mariah need a "I Know What You Want."

This is why I think she needs a collab like that and even if she doesn't collab on another person's song, she needs some hot collabs on her own album:

Mariah needs hype to generate interest in her own record. She didn't deliver with "Memoirs" and people are nervous as to what she will come out with next. Working with someone current get's people interested and it opens her up to that rappers audience too. When she did "I Know What You Want" people started to look for Mariah again. I know she's not in that type of situation but she will need radio support when her own single drops and there's no harm in working with current people to generate that interest.

But why does she need to hop on someone else's stuff to generate hype?

Her last two hit singles got into the Top 10 on their own merit.

People aren't nervous what's she's coming out with. I think it's more like you guys are nervous with what she's coming out with.

There already is a positive relationship between Mariah and the press. Multiple sources are eagerly anticipating her new album...

Sure, it would be amazing to hear Mariah on the radio again before she actually drops something. And it would definitely help radio/people warm-up to her again.

But I just don't think it's necessary.

Because last time I checked, I Know What You Want or You Make Me Wanna actually didn't really work.

It's Like That missed the Top 10. And the album was selling very moderately until We Belong Together was released.

[Eamon]

But why does she need to hop on someone else's stuff to generate hype?

Her last two hit singles got into the Top 10 on their own merit.

People aren't nervous what's she's coming out with. I think it's more like you guys are nervous with what she's coming out with.

There already is a positive relationship between Mariah and the press. Multiple sources are eagerly anticipating her new album...

Sure, it would be amazing to hear Mariah on the radio again before she actually drops something. And it would definitely help radio/people warm-up to her again.

But I just don't think it's necessary.

Because last time I checked, I Know What You Want or You Make Me Wanna actually didn't really work.

It's Like That missed the Top 10. And the album was selling very moderately until We Belong Together was released.

You obviously don't visit other Mariah forums Titan! Most fans are nervous about what she will come out with next because we all want her to have success and we want an album that is worth the wait and worth listening to longer than a month.

Mentioning Mariah's last hit is irrelevant simply because every single she released since then flopped hard. She wasn't hot on radio at all! Mariah was a non factor during 09 apart from "Obsessed"! I think she needs to work with current people to get her name back out there and prove that she can still be part of something that is hot and fresh because even today, blogs were hopping at the news of this collab because they want to see Mariah release something and I quote "that isn't redundant"!

And yes "I Know What You Want" did work! Radio didn't go near Mariah until that song and it peaked at number 3 on the Hot 100 and people were interested in Mariah again after the whole "Glitter" fiasco. That song was the reason "It's Like That" got played on radio and peaked as high as it did and about TEOM only selling moderately until WBT was released??

WBT was released before the album dropped. TEOM gave Mariah her highest first week sales up until that point and it was slaying on the album chart there after!

[stevyy]

ILT broke the trend of radio neglecting her completely. It went top 20 on airplay and performed better at radio than some of her #1's during the end of the 90's.

ILT is the true comeback single and it helped TEOM getting the biggest opening week sales of her career up to that point. WBT, however, cemented the fate of the era. BUT ILT opened so many doors for her again. I do believe that it's even more remembered here in Germany than WBT.

The album also performed phenomenal in the first weeks.. the second week drop was moderate at worst. 413k -->226k.

Back in 2003 IKWYW became her biggest radio hit in YEARS. The video was hot and the song actually performed better in Europe than anything since Heartbreaker COMBINED.

Mariah is at the same stage again. Radio didn't really touch anything since Obsessed and even Obessed needed to stay in the digital top 20 for about 2 months (=8 weeks) for POP to spin it finally. The song had to go top 10 on Urban and #1 on rhythmic to make POP believe that Obsessed had hit potential.

[Eamon]

Exactly Stevyy!

[PoderosaCarey]

My preference would be not to see Mariah working with rappers. But as she said once, that is the kind of music that she is really into R&B/Hip Hop..

[leoapp]

She really needs another I Know What You Want to keep her name in the spotlight. Hopefully a random collaboration with a rapper can become a hit before her real comeback.

[Titan3510]

First and foremost, you guys need to remind yourselves that Mariah is not in the same place as she was in 2003.

AKA...she has not been blacklisted.

And please don't bring pop formats into this because pop formats are janky nowadays.

They treat every R&B, hip hop or urban song the same way it treated Obsessed. It waits for as long as it needs/wants to make sure it is a hit before they even allow it to crossover.

Receipts -- Rihanna and Chris Brown on Birthday Cake. Keri Hilson on Pretty Girl Rock. J. Cole on Work Out. Beyonce on Love On Top.

Just because Christina got a hit with Maroon 5 on Moves Like Jagger that does not mean that she'll have a hit on her own. Even if the song is hot.

You guys just don't know how radio works in America. Because mainstream, Top 40 radio has all but reverted to the segregation days of pre-Thriller era Michael Jackson.

Radio simply doesn't work the way it did in 2003-2005.

And to assume that it does is ridiculous.

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Mentioning Mariah's last hit is not irrelevant just because every single she released since flopped hard.

You could've easily said that about Touch My Body after Bye Bye killed the momentum.

It really just boils down to single choices.

Because if Def Jam was really aware of what was going on with radio at the time, then they would've never dreamed of releasing H.A.T.E.U. or I Want To Know What Love Is.

That's part of your problem. It's not 2005 and it's not 2009.

It's 2012. Mariah and Def Jam need an entirely new strategy.

And you guys need to embrace the fact that things are different now...

There's really no reason to be nervous. Be realistically optimistic.

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The blogs/non-fans definition of redundant and your definition are completely different.

Because you guys see redundant as it relates to colleagues but they see redundant as it relates to music.

Because while you guys were having aneurysms when it was "announced" that Mariah, Manuel Seal and Jermaine Dupri were together again, people on (R&B/urban/hip hop) blogs were excited because they know that their track record is very good.

[Lorenzo]

BULLSHIT

[Titan3510]

BULLSHIT

[Eamon]

Titan you seem to think that UKmix "lambs" are a breed of their own and we are the only one's who are negative and we are the only one's who talk about lipping and we are the only one's who are nervous about the new album! But its like that on so many forums and on Twitter and on blogs where people talk about these things the whole time and it's a lot worse in places.

This place is relatively calm when compared to other forums! The stuff that is said and thought by a lot of fans would turn your stomach!

It's only a minority of delusional, "yes" stans that think everything Mariah does is brilliant and every song she releases is amazing but that's not the way things are at all! It's OK to acknowledge that Mariah's last two albums haven't lived up to lots of people's expectations, fan's especially. And it's OK to acknowledge that Mariah does lip sync!

We are entitled to be nervous and we are entitled to say what we want and be disappointed if Mariah keeps working with the same people over and over again because her sound is stayed and that was represented so blatantly on Memoirs and E=MC2!

That's why people want her to branch out and work with the wide range of talent that is out there today that can help bring Mariah out of 2005 and out of 1997 and give her a sound that is 2012 and that's is what most of her fans want! And not just UKmix fans because there are so many forums where the same things are being expressed! Even on FOMM (which is supposed to be worship land of Mariah) they want Mariah to work with new people!

So you need to realise that what we are saying is representative of Mariah fans all over the place and not just here.

The blogs weren't excited when they heard Mariah was back with JD! Anyone that thinks Jermaine Dupri is hot and current at the moment seriously needs to take a look at his recent hit list!! He hasn't done anything worth while for years! Even Usher has dropped him! And the blogs know that too and acknowledge that! They want Mariah to grow as an artist!

And you don't know whether the blogs definition and my definition of redundant is the same or different at all? In fact it isn't! They don't want stale beats and boring mid tempos aka. Memoirs and neither do I!!

As well, who are you to say we know nothing about radio??

[MichielMC]

Here in Belgium her highest peaking single of the teom era was wbt (12). But her real succes over here were the singles it's like that and especially get your number. The last two really got played ALOT on radio and TV. Don't forget about us had some airplay but died quite fast. Teom was such a good era for the european market. Maybe not like in the 90's but let's be honest from heartbreaker on she was nowhere over here...

Touch my body had the luck to be a follow up single from such a huge era. The single had a high peak but died quite fast and from then on she is again nowhere over here. Obsessed didn't even chart in belgium on the official singles chart... The album charted for like 3 weeks and merry christmas 2 you maybe 1 or 2 weeks.

I know japan and USA are her best markets but I wish she could reconnect with the audience worldwide somehow. After all she's been through (twins, the illness, time off,...) I think she has the inspiration to get something going. And I hope that I will see her live the next era. So hopefully another worldwide tour. Well not worldwide like TAOM, it didn't even hit europe... such a shame. And not one random concert on a mountain in Ischgl... I want her to be talked about again. I don't wanna hear questions again in the line of: is she still making music? lol

[Luminator]

Do you think that Mariah will perform well on the new On-Demand-Songs part of Billboard Hot 100?

[Titan3510]

But that's the thing though.

Memoirs of an Imperfect Angel and E=MC2 are two completely different albums with two completely different sounds.

So, maybe you should stop lumping them together as if they are the same thing with the same sound with the same concept.

I'm trying to figure out why you guys are still so nervous though. She's obviously not working with the same people...

You guys can be nervous all you want. You're really just stressing yourself out over something you have absolutely no control over. If you want to do that, then go ahead.

So you need to realize that what we are saying is representative of Mariah fans all over the place and not just here

So you guys wanted Last Kiss to be a single?

Because the Mariah fans over on FOMM (I think that's what it was) were saying that. But you guys clearly haven't represented that opinion.

So you guys love Memoirs of an Imperfect Angel?

Because a good chunk of Mariah fans on Rap-Up loved it.

And you don't know whether the blogs defintion and my definition of redundant is the same or different at all?

Yes, I do.

When the first Mariah and Jermaine picture came out, they were glad that the two were reunited and said that they hope they can come out with something fresh and not redundant.

You guys (not just talking about you) automatically dismissed Jermaine Dupri as redundant just for the fact that they have worked together before.

Did you guys say the same thing about Walter Afanasieff? Because I don't know if you realize it or not but they admitted that they found themselves recycling musical chords and instrumentation.

That's why people want her to branch out and work with the wide range of talent that is out there today that can help bring Mariah out of 2005 and out of 1997 and give her a sound that is 2012 and that's is what most of her fans want!

Okay. I want a modern sound. I want something new from her too.

But I know that Mariah has been producing both. So that's why I'm not worried and that's why I say that you shouldn't be worried either.

But I have to disagree with the bold part.

How can Mariah be in 2005 and 1997 at the same time? Because those years were musically and personally (for Mariah) were on completely different levels.

I'm not arguing this but there are people that would disagree about there being a "wide range of talent."

And what makes you think Mariah is still even stuck in 1997 or 2005.

ecause if she was, she'd be going on about how this album is Butterfly 2.0 or how she is trying to re-create We Belong Together.[/i]

Titan you seem to think that UKmix "lambs" are a breed of their own and we are the only one's who are negative and we are the only one's who talk about lipping and we are the only one's who are nervous about the new album! But its like that on so many forums and on Twitter and on blogs where people talk about these things the whole time and it's a lot worse in places.

Just cuz it seems that way, doesn't mean it that it is.

No, you guys are not the only ones who are negative and stuff. Still doesn't make it right IMHO...