Madonna :: The "MDNA" Era

[Brazilian]

It's you who started comparisons to try make it look better... What would it be next, comparing it to Bionic to make it look like a hit??? Lol.

And as always,at the end of the day, Bionic gets caught in the crossfire. !

[wave]

It's you who started comparisons to try make it look better... What would it be next, comparing it to Bionic to make it look like a hit??? Lol.

And as always,at the end of the day, Bionic gets caught in the crossfire. !

But every album last year was a flop if you compare with 21s sales.

[TiagoRodrigues]

It's you who started comparisons to try make it look better... What would it be next, comparing it to Bionic to make it look like a hit??? Lol.

And as always,at the end of the day, Bionic gets caught in the crossfire. !

But every album last year was a flop if you compare with 21s sales.

it's not that every album was a flop, obviously...it's just that 21 was HUGE!

[spiritboy]

It's you who started comparisons to try make it look better... What would it be next, comparing it to Bionic to make it look like a hit??? Lol.

And as always,at the end of the day, Bionic gets caught in the crossfire. !

MDNA will be Madonna's Bionic

[bionicfan]

Aguilera has sold more than Bionic (300 k) and Burlesque (600 k) in the U.S. without a single hit

And Burlesque still sells steadily

[TiagoRodrigues]

Aguilera has sold more than Bionic (300 k) and Burlesque (600 k) in the U.S. without a single hit

And Burlesque still sells steadily

wow huge sales!

[Dragonn]

I'm gonna ask again if please someone knows, why is there a diference between HITS and Soundscan?
And who are the biggest retailers in the USA. Do you think that because there are various versions of MDNA for sell, and because some big retailers only sell the clean version of it, that it might've hurt sales?

[Shadowplay]

Aguilera has sold more than Bionic (300 k) and Burlesque (600 k) in the U.S. without a single hit

And Burlesque still sells steadily

I bet a Madonna/Cher soundtrack would sell more than 600K.

[denise]

HDD Final sales

43 MADONNA INTERSCOPE 9,164 -33%
MDNA

Why " " ? It will problably end up between 500-700k in USA and that's simply FANTASTIC!

You really think it's fantastic? Britney's "Femme Fatale" sold 800K in the US and 1.6 Million WW and it was a flop... or maybe it was a flop for last year's standards??

1.6M is not floop.
Floop is 550K WW and 300K US Bionic.

You can't say a certain number is a flop... It depends on an artist's selling power! So when someone usually sells 8 mio. per album and then has an album selling 550k, it's nothing but a fail, while it's a glorious result for an artist that hasn't been able to pass the 100k-mark with his previous album(s).

Unfortunately what you said contradicted yourself.

"Hard Candy" sold 700k copies, "American Life" sold somewhere close to that. "Celebration" did what? 300k copies? These, plus that HC was released several years ago shows that 150k less than HC is not a flop by her recent low standards. 550k copies is not even that low considering all the other A-listers' sales either. Beyonce barely did a million copies, Britney Spears went 700k copies, so is Rihanna. Nicki Minaj might sell even less than Madonna. Lady GaGa did 2 million copies but her previous album outsold HC by like 7 times while Katy Perry scored a lot of hits to move 2 million copies.

Minaj might sell less??? LOL. She'll catch MDNA in 2 weeks.. And she's still top 10 while Madge is about to leave the Top 50... Nicki will reach 1 million in the US, MDNA can dream of reaching 600k.

Besides, US is not the whole world... And MDNA might end selling more or less what HC did there, but it'll struggle to reach 2 million ww and HC did 3.5 m. If we look year sales overall, HC was in YE's Top 10 and MDNA won't. Low Top 20 maximum. And for God's sake, we're comparing it with HC, her lowest selling to date.

Beyonce's 4 final sales will be 3 million, being pregnant, little promo for her standards, no big hit... And that will be her lowest selling to date. Gaga's BTW - 6,5 million, 6 million for Katy Perry, Rihanna's TTT is at 3 million WW now but it will end up selling 4..
Femme Fatale was a bit of a flop.. 1,7 million WW... A total dissaster in the UK and other big markets and not even a million in the US despite having 3 hits...

It's you who started comparisons to try make it look better... What would it be next, comparing it to Bionic to make it look like a hit??? Lol.

Yes, if it sells 2 million WW and it's in the Top 20 of the biggest sellers of the year it cannot be called a flop, considering her age, no promo, no hits, that's for sure!! But please, don't try to fool people and yourselves comparing it to other female artists' sales, as that only shows that it's not selling good at all...

I wish all the names you mentioned to be able to even chart (lol) in case they'll get or even approach the actual stage of M career!

Yes HC sold 3.8 copies, but it was almost 4 years ago, let's not forget that after a certain age every years spent for an act, especially for a women, equal 5 years spent,lol, this time in the actual market without a shadow of hit if MDNA will get to 2 mil mark: thaat's ok for me.

Oh and BTW hasn't sold 6.5 mil record...it will may get there depending if the tour will help or not.

[Hafo]

In case anyone in this thread is still interested in MDNA chart positions

Croatia Albums
(35) 14 MDNA

[biscuits]

I think using 'she's been doing this for 30 years' excuse is getting tired now.

[justifyboy]

In case anyone in this thread is still interested in MDNA chart positions

Croatia Albums
(35) 14 MDNA

finally..charts again

up to 14??

[IceAngel]

Why hasn't MDNA been certified gold in the USA? And how much is gold in the UK?

100K in UK so not quite sold that yet

Maybe next week for both countries.

I think that's possible. I'm pretty sure MDNA has shipped way over 100k in the UK and around 500k in the USA.

That being said, a certification doesn't really come automatically in the US and the UK does it? So the label actually has to apply for it.

This is why it hasn't been certified yet IMO.

[Shadowplay]

I think using 'she's been doing this for 30 years' excuse is getting tired now.

But it's the thruth.

Stones' middle-noughties "Bigger Bang" obviously had a flop chartrun (and flop sales) if compared to 1964 RS1, and if compared with 70s "Exhile", 80s "Emotional Rescue" or 90s "Voodoo Lounge".

The same for Springsteen. Diamond albums in the 80s, multiplatinum in the 90s, and less and less since The Rising.

Not to mention Bowie, now (almost) completely retired. OK, he had health problems, but anyone remember "Reality" or "Heathen" chartruns/sales? Probably their totals are what "Ziggy Stardust" sold in a week.

Prince albums are not released in Europe anymore, or they are limited releases.

And about popstars or divas, well, Blondie are D.O.A. with thier last album. Cher doesn't release a studio album since the early 2000s, Tina Turner since the late 90s.
Speaking about Madonna's contemporaries, ehm, they are dead (we all know) or missing in action (from Paula Abdul to... ehm ehm ehm Janet Jackson, she was over in Europe well before that Superbowl).

[denise]

I think using 'she's been doing this for 30 years' excuse is getting tired now.

That you like it or not standard for acts of different generations they do exist...especially and even more when you cross the 50's as Madonna.

Is ok for me to compare the latest M release to a latest release from a type of act as Minaj and the rest....but let's make also the right distinction: I mean it's a sort of like to put down Tina Turner during the 80's because Madge was slaying.

And for the record I have no problem to say that MDNA is dooing poorly especially in Europe...wwhere she is a sell monster, Usa numbers instead do not impress me that much, all in all 500K was what every one was expecting from her there, so if she'll be ever luky to sell around 600k when everything is said and done: that's good for me.

[justifyboy]

And for the record I have no problem to say that MDNA is dooing poorly especially in Europe...wwhere she is a sell monster, Usa numbers instead do not impress me that much, all in all 500K was what every one was expecting from her there so if she'll be ever luky to sell around 600k when everything is said and done: that's good for me.

totally agree!
she needs to catch EU again

[Dragonn]

While you're all debating Christina aguilera's sales I still want to to know, why is there a diference between HITS and Soundscan?
And who are the biggest retailers in the USA. Do you think that because there are various versions of MDNA for sell, and because some big retailers only sell the clean version of it, that it might've hurt sales?

[clh_hilary]

HDD Final sales

43 MADONNA INTERSCOPE 9,164 -33%
MDNA

Why " " ? It will problably end up between 500-700k in USA and that's simply FANTASTIC!

You really think it's fantastic? Britney's "Femme Fatale" sold 800K in the US and 1.6 Million WW and it was a flop... or maybe it was a flop for last year's standards??

1.6M is not floop.
Floop is 550K WW and 300K US Bionic.

You can't say a certain number is a flop... It depends on an artist's selling power! So when someone usually sells 8 mio. per album and then has an album selling 550k, it's nothing but a fail, while it's a glorious result for an artist that hasn't been able to pass the 100k-mark with his previous album(s).

Unfortunately what you said contradicted yourself.

"Hard Candy" sold 700k copies, "American Life" sold somewhere close to that. "Celebration" did what? 300k copies? These, plus that HC was released several years ago shows that 150k less than HC is not a flop by her recent low standards. 550k copies is not even that low considering all the other A-listers' sales either. Beyonce barely did a million copies, Britney Spears went 700k copies, so is Rihanna. Nicki Minaj might sell even less than Madonna. Lady GaGa did 2 million copies but her previous album outsold HC by like 7 times while Katy Perry scored a lot of hits to move 2 million copies.

Minaj might sell less??? LOL. She'll catch MDNA in 2 weeks.. And she's still top 10 while Madge is about to leave the Top 50... Nicki will reach 1 million in the US, MDNA can dream of reaching 600k.

Besides, US is not the whole world... And MDNA might end selling more or less what HC did there, but it'll struggle to reach 2 million ww and HC did 3.5 m. If we look year sales overall, HC was in YE's Top 10 and MDNA won't. Low Top 20 maximum. And for God's sake, we're comparing it with HC, her lowest selling to date.

Beyonce's 4 final sales will be 3 million, being pregnant, little promo for her standards, no big hit... And that will be her lowest selling to date. Gaga's BTW - 6,5 million, 6 million for Katy Perry, Rihanna's TTT is at 3 million WW now but it will end up selling 4..
Femme Fatale was a bit of a flop.. 1,7 million WW... A total dissaster in the UK and other big markets and not even a million in the US despite having 3 hits...

It's you who started comparisons to try make it look better... What would it be next, comparing it to Bionic to make it look like a hit??? Lol.

Yes, if it sells 2 million WW and it's in the Top 20 of the biggest sellers of the year it cannot be called a flop, considering her age, no promo, no hits, that's for sure!! But please, don't try to fool people and yourselves comparing it to other female artists' sales, as that only shows that it's not selling good at all...

It's not doing well globally but it's just obvious that she's not bombing in her homeland at all. And I was responding how "MDNA" is in line with 'her' own standards so "Bionic" or "21" would not be relevant. But globally there's no denying that it's not doing up to her standards (yet) and I didn't know it was something new that worth mentioning, considering Madonna bombing everywhere has been the constant topic here since its second week.

[Hafo]

While you're all debating Christina aguilera's sales I still want to to know, why is there a diference between HITS and Soundscan?

Can't paste the info, but it's explained here - http://prince.org/msg/7/92696

[tir69]

still doing fine in Italy itunes :

Singles :
Girl gone wild nr 11
Girl gone wild vs avicii nr 44
Luvin nr 72

Albums :
MDNA deluxe nr 13
MDNA standard nr 62
Girl gone wild ep remixes nr 44
Celebration nr 69

[Dawo]

MDNA I tunes update may 2/2012

#2 Malta
#3 Hungary
#6 Colombia
#7 Bulgaria
#12 Czech Republic
#12 Ecuador
#12 Italy
#15 Argentina
#17 Poland
#22 Chile
#23 Romania
#25 Slovakia
#27 Greece
#29 Lithuania
#29 Peru
#32 Sweden
#33 Mexico
#33 Venezuela
#36 Costa Rica
#42 Brazil
#47 Guatemala
#48 El Salvador
#48 France
#49 Japan
#50 Finland
#53 Spain

[ImJustakoolguy]

I agree we should not use the fact that m is in the business's for 30 years as an excuse for bad sales. But, I think we should at least wait until the tour starts to decide if it is a success. I am not saying the tour will help for sure. There is a chance it will help. Who knows? People have been writing off m many times and she always comes back stronger. Maybe she would do something crazy in her show and boom, the CDs move quickly again. The thing is No matter how some people appear to be unbiased, they deeply down want her to fail and can't even wait to claim her failure as a fact. The fact is the cd still have a chance to be successful n some haters just don't want to see that happen and try to seal the deal as soon as possible.

[Dawo]

its really time to release the next single

[HolidayGuy]

Some fail to see that age indeed is a factor and it gets tougher as one advances in years (Ask Billboard, in its latest Madonna article, addresses radio's youth-driven environment).

When was the last 50+ act (who does vocals) to score a big U.S. hit post-"Believe"? Hasn't happened. Madonna will continue to score fleeting success with her leas singles, most likely- but even if she released a track that was generally well-received, her radio success still would be very limited compared to younger acts.

Outside the USA, ageism is less of an issue, but even in the UK, focus reportedly is moving to the youth at radio.

[Dawo]

Some fail to see that age indeed is a factor and it gets tougher as one advances in years (Ask Billboard, in its latest Madonna article, addresses radio's youth-driven environment).

When was the last 50+ act (who does vocals) to score a big U.S. hit post-"Believe"? Hasn't happened. Madonna will continue to score fleeting success with her leas singles, most likely- but even if she released a track that was generally well-received, her radio success still would be very limited compared to younger acts.

Outside the USA, ageism is less of an issue, but even in the UK, focus reportedly is moving to the youth at radio.

the radio staions here in germany are playing Madonnas songs old & new,and I think its everywhere in the rest of Europe ? all she needs is to release another single,turn up the radio is the perfect choice,gayl and ggw was a very bad choice