Unpopular Opinions AKA "there, I've said it"

[Brad]

No modesty but you don't sound arrogant, I like it.

+1

Sometimes I have the modesty of Bree Van de Kamp on a good day and sometimes I don't like Bree on a bad day.

Back on topic: Bree Van de Kamp is my favourite of the housewives.

[JSparksFan]

No modesty but you don't sound arrogant, I like it.

+1

Sometimes I have the modesty of Bree Van de Kamp on a good day and sometimes I don't like Bree on a bad day.

Back on topic: Bree Van de Kamp is my favourite of the housewives.

She's my favourite too! I love how composed she is in the face of the most troubling, unsettling circumstances.

[biscuits]

She used to be my favourite. But she was ruined in S4-S7. She redeemed herself in S8 though.

[JSparksFan]

She used to be my favourite. But she was ruined in S4-S7. She redeemed herself in S8 though.

Towards the end of S7 and at the beginning of S8, Gaby dethroned Bree for a brief period of time but good 'ol Bree has returned to form since the middle of S8.

[biscuits]

In S1, I couldn't decide who was my favourite - I loved them all! But now, I can't decide because I don't really like any of them anymore!

I think my preference is:
S1 - Lynette (this is based on my 2004 opinion, it might be different now)
S2 - Bree / Betty / Gabrielle
S3 - Edie
S4 - Edie
S5 - Edie / Katherine
S6 - Angie
S7 - they were all unbearable
S8 - Bree / Lynette

[JSparksFan]

In S1, I couldn't decide who was my favourite - I loved them all! But now, I can't decide because I don't really like any of them anymore!

I think my preference is:
S1 - Lynette (this is based on my 2004 opinion, it might be different now)
S2 - Bree / Betty / Gabrielle
S3 - Edie
S4 - Edie
S5 - Edie / Katherine
S6 - Angie
S7 - they were all unbearable
S8 - Bree / Lynette

That's...harsh. Susan is the only one I find unbearable and that's only in select episodes where her klutziness got on my nerves. Now that you mention it, I miss Edie.

[CrazyCrazy]

Desperate Housewives is meh nowadays, I think I only liked the first series or something.

[biscuits]

Desperate Housewives is meh nowadays, I think I only liked the first series or something.

Very popular opinion!

[CrazyCrazy]

Desperate Housewives is meh nowadays, I think I only liked the first series or something.

Very popular opinion!

Well I thought I'd just ruin your conversation.

[marcsi]

I still like the Housewives. all seasons. and Bree RULZ all the way! my second fav is Gaby.

[NothingFails]

I could stomach season 2 of DH, but once it moved into the future I lost interest and never regained it. They should've never fast-forwarded things.

[Shorty]

I thought DH lost it last season, but this current last season is picking things back up nicely.

And Gabrielle has always been my favourite housewife, she's absolutely hilarious Susan is my least fave, but I don't think that's unpopular

[Wayne]

Gender does matter when it comes to raising a child. And children need a mother and a father.

I agree.

Well if I'd had no father, I'd have ended up with a few less bruises growing up!

I just am at a loss with some of the comments on the last page. One thing I strongly, strongly disagree with in particular, is that a child needs a man to teach it to be a man - SMH.

[JSparksFan]

Desperate Housewives is meh nowadays, I think I only liked the first series or something.

Very popular opinion!

I guess I'm the only one who thinks DH has been strong throughout.

[NothingFails]

On the gay parenting thing, I honestly am mixed on it.

I think of my own siblings and how things have turned out. My brother (the oldest in the family) is straight, my sister is a lesbian. They have both been in long relationships (my brother's been married since 1986, my sister and her partner had a civil union in 2000) but the way their kids have turned out is alarmingly different. My brother and his wife started from the ground up, they even lived on food stamps at one point, although they ended up saving and my brother worked his way up in the Coast Guard and they are now living in a very nice house with nice cars and nice pets, etc... My sister and her partner downgraded from a house to a trailer and sadly are in all niceness "trailer trash", especially my sister in law (she's the one who has boasted about being a MILF rofl even though nobody in their right mind would sprout wood at her, she doesn't even look feminine ROFL. She's a total narcissistic piece of garbage who thinks she is this sex symbol and "every mans' fantasy lesbian" never mind that she wears a bandana and no makeup).

But the kicker is that their kids (my sister's partner is the mom who had her two children in a marriage before she fell in love with my sister, etc..) actually have a lot of similarities. They both have an older daughter and a son that is just a little over a year younger. In both cases the daughter was a "brain" and the son was seen as someone who wasn't necessarily the brightest bulb. Yet... my niece is now 25, married with a one year old daughter and is already head nurse at the hospital she works at... whereas my sister's step-daughter is 19 and flunking out of college with straight F's her freshman year. Even worse, while many people thought my nephew wouldn't amount to anything because he wasn't necessarily the most booksmart person, he is 23, pulled himself through college and has a nice construction job already, whereas the 17 year old my sister and her partner raised is a colossal eff-up who stopped going to school after eighth grade because "he didn't want to go" and is now living with his 26 year old girlfriend that everyone knows is going to wind up getting knocked up. He recently quit a job after one day because he didn't like that his feet hurt. I see how my brother and his wife's children became success stories while my sister and her partner's children became underachieving losers, and it makes me wonder if it's really the difference between gay and straight parenting, or if "class" has something to do with it, because my brother and his wife worked their way up the ladder while my sister and her partner were comfy living in a trailer park community.

I dunno, questions questions questions. But it makes me wonder if there really is a theory to gay vs. straight upbringings when I see the alarming difference between my brothers' kids and my sister's stepkids.

[Titan3510]

Well...I was never even talking about gay parenting until people came at me with all these straw-man arguments.

But whatever...it's all good.

Nobody is saying that gay people can't be good parents just because they're gay.

What I and a couple of other posters were saying was that it's not the ideal situation for a child to grow up in.

You're missing out if you grow up without your father around...you might not know it or you might want to not acknowledge it but you're missing something...

[neoepzilon]

@NothingFails, stop being my favorite poster.

[biscuits]

On the gay parenting thing, I honestly am mixed on it.

I think of my own siblings and how things have turned out.

Interesting read there. I think the most important thing is to have a disciplinarian in the family.

[sambo9]

^ Yeah, which has nothing to do with gender.

NothingFails just gave an example of good parenting and bad parenting. It doesn't have anything to do with the fact that one was a straight couple and the others were lesbians.

Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VnEexIhBTU

[sambo9]

I totally see where you're coming from but trying to equate discrimination based on sexual orientation with that of race is inequitable.

Not in my opinion:

Discrimination is discrimination.

But, you don't agree with homosexuality, so I understand why you'd think that.

[NothingFails]

^ Yeah, which has nothing to do with gender.

NothingFails just gave an example of good parenting and bad parenting. It doesn't have anything to do with the fact that one was a straight couple and the others were lesbians.

Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VnEexIhBTU

that is true, my brother and his wife were much better parents, whereas my sis' partner has always been very narcissistic and self-centered and never even tried to discipline their kids. But when they're both in my family and I see the vast differences, its sometimes hard for me to really separate if the other kids would've turned out as big of losers if they had a father around (their father is a huge drug addict too).

[sambo9]

A lot of it is just down to what we consider a mother's role is, and what we consider a father's role is - which is pure social construction.

I personally would like to think that we've advanced beyond the silliness of "I have a penis, therefore I am a strong-figured, head-of-the-house disciplinarian, who will keep my kids in line" and "Mummy will kiss it and make it all better", but whatever!

[Titan3510]

I totally see where you're coming from but trying to equate discrimination based on sexual orientation with that of race is inequitable.

Not in my opinion:

Discrimination is discrimination.

But, you don't agree with homosexuality, so I understand why you'd think that.

Sambo...

*sigh*

You don't understand. Discrimination is discrimination. And it is horrible.

But the differences in discrimination against black people and gay people is not an opinion: it's fact.

Pick up a book and read about how black people were treated and how they still are being treated.

Read up on the studies that have shown that little black children grow up feeling that they are not as precious as little white children.

Read about how black people in the Americas always seem to be a step or two behind almost everyone else.

Europeans blasted the faces off of statues and monuments that belonged to some of the most oldest and powerful human civilizations?

Why did they do that?

Did they freak out because they came across a swarm of man-eating mosquitos? Or did the broad noses and the full lips of these statues upset them?

Compare the histories of discrimination and abuse that both homosexuals and Africans have suffered.

Only then will you be able understand why I said that the two really don't compare.

[neoepzilon]

A lot of it is just down to what we consider a mother's role is, and what we consider a father's role is - which is pure social construction.

Cover your ears children, lies are being told here. Masculine and feminine roles are seen all throughout nature, they are not social constructs.

[Wayne]

I totally see where you're coming from but trying to equate discrimination based on sexual orientation with that of race is inequitable.

Not in my opinion:

Not in mine either.

I am very thankful nowadays that in the eyes of the law, homophobia is every bit as important as racism and sexism - and it should be.

As Bill said, discrimination is discrimination.