Propaganda - A Secret Wish (25th Ann. Edition)

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Postby Blondini » Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:51 pm

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They were a Düsseldorf band, and with hindsight you can see them as the halfway point between the city's most famous sons, Kraftwerk, and the common European language of techno-pop that flourished in Ralf and Florian's wake. But Propaganda were pipe-banging confrontationalists before they became a waking pop dream. Ralf Dörper, a bank employee, music writer and member of Düsseldorf industrial-electronic band Die Krupps, founded Propaganda with part-time DJ Andreas Thein and jeweller-goldsmith Susanne Freytag. None was a musician in the conventional sense but they made a demo version of 'Discipline' by Throbbing Gristle which found its way to NME writer Paul Morley, then in the process of setting up ZTT with Trevor Horn and Jill Sinclair.

When Propaganda entered Sarm Studios with Trevor Horn to record this album, they were inexperienced to the point that Brücken admits she did not even know that records were produced at all. Thein left the band shortly after their first sessions produced the astonishing 'Dr Mabuse', a ten-minute multi-version fantasia which transplanted the fictional criminal mastermind of the Weimar era into the present via, among other things, a proto-house bassline.

Horn discovered he had great facility with Propaganda's mixture of the beautiful and the sinister, but by 1984 the ZTT machine was moving into high gear and Frankie Goes To Hollywood were beginning to consume all of his time. It was therefore decided that the Propaganda album would be produced by Horn's engineer Steve Lipson and with Lipson at the controls A Secret Wish became perhaps ZTT's best-realised album. "It's some of the best stuff Steve ever did," says Horn. "I always loved 'Duel', Claudia's vocal on that is incredible, and the dark-side version 'Jewel' too. I loved that album and a lot of other, perhaps unexpected, people loved it too." Quincy Jones called Horn, wanting to license A Secret Wish for America. Horn kept him on the phone for an hour talking about Jones's work with Frank Sinatra. "And if you listen to Michael Jackson around that time," Horn says, "He started to sound a lot like Propaganda. A lot of industrial sounds..."

A Secret Wish was released on vinyl and cassette in the summer of 1985. Compact disc was in its infancy and a few months later, when a CD edition of the album was slated, Lipson seized the opportunity to refine the album into something even more satisfying. Dream Within a Dream, Jewel and Dr. Mabuse were all completely reworked into cinemascope, with the latter two doubling in length. Frozen Faces was added and the album's finale continued to transform. Throughout the original recording process, right up to pressing stage, the last track had been known as Testament. It was then renamed The Last Word (Strength to Dream). And then, on the CD edition, it was edited down into the closing stages of Dr. Mabuse.

All these different versions, plus a wealth of previously unheard alternative mixes, mutations and exploitations are included to ensure that this is the ultimate version of one of the most ambitious, accomplished and beautifully preserved albums of the mid-80s; a sound that, a quarter of a century on, remains as exciting and alluring as ever.

disc 1
1. Dream Within A Dream
2. Murder Of Love, The
3. Jewel
4. Duel
5. Frozen Faces
6. P:Machinery
7. Sorry For Laughing
8. Chase, The
9. Dr. Mabuse
10. Dream Within A Dream [analogue variation]
11. Jewel [analogue variation]
12. Duel [analogue variation]
13. P:Machinery [analogue variation]
14. Dr. Mabuse [first life]
15. Last Word (Strength To Dream), The
disc 2
1. Do Well [The first cut/Duel/Jewel (cut rough)/Wonder/Bejewelled]
2. Testament One
3. Die Tausend Augen Des Mabuse
4. Sorry For Laughing [unapolagetic 12" version]
5. Thought [part one]
6. Thought [part two]
7. P:Machinery [Goodnight 32 mix]
8. Chase, The [Goodnight mix]
9. Echo Of Frozen Faces
10. P:Machinery [p:Polish]
11. Testament Three


Love the original album (well the cd version - not heard some of the original versions)!

Some videos:

Duel
Dr Mabuse (version 1.0)
Dr Mabuse (version 2.0)
P Machinery
Jewel (live tv clip)
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Postby irishguy28 » Tue Jul 20, 2010 5:12 pm

I think your existing Propaganda thread could have contained this news very nicely.
"A look into Angela Merkel’s luggage for today’s EU summit is likely to reveal an extra blouse, a big stick and no carrot."
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Postby Blondini » Tue Jul 20, 2010 5:33 pm

irishguy28 wrote:I think your existing Propaganda thread could have contained this news very nicely.
Well, yes, but this is a new release (sort of). That's just an overall thread.
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Postby SeeForever » Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:37 pm

:o :o :o :o :o Top 40 in the midweeks :o :o :o :o :o

I absoultely love the original album, and didn't have a clue there was this deluxe edition until I saw their name in the midweeks!! A must buy for anyone who likes this type of music
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Postby tir69 » Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:47 am

what a surprise ..my fav band of all time back on the UK chart ..when i saw this topic i think i was dreaming
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Postby Blondini » Thu Jul 22, 2010 5:56 pm

Wasn't top 40 on Wednesday's Chart Update. I imagine it has dropped sharply. Probably low 75 or just below.
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Postby tir69 » Thu Jul 22, 2010 6:09 pm

Blondini wrote:Wasn't top 40 on Wednesday's Chart Update. I imagine it has dropped sharply. Probably low 75 or just below.
yep probably.. but at least was nice see again Claudia & company on the midweeks chart ...I saw Propaganda live in milan and it was amazing ..
I wonder how many copies sold A Secret wish all around the world but I never got this info..., In Italy they got a good success at that time , A secret wish was top 20 , Duel was nr 2 on the single chart and P:machinery reached number 1 on the single charts and also on the dance chart.
Dr Mabuse my fav song did good on the dance chart ( was top 10 and was nr 1 on the dance chart from the italian deejays national association ) but never hit the singles chart.
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Postby Blondini » Fri Jul 23, 2010 11:39 pm

^Shame, Dr Mabuse is their absolute classic, imo. Duel is a great pop song but always secondary to me.
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Postby tir69 » Sat Jul 24, 2010 5:54 pm

Blondini wrote:^Shame, Dr Mabuse is their absolute classic, imo. Duel is a great pop song but always secondary to me.
100% agree
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Postby Blondini » Sat Jul 24, 2010 6:46 pm

I got it - it seems my edition from 2003 was the original vinyl album but with Frozen Faces added, Jewel expanded and the finale of Mabuse, The Chase and Strength To Dream in that order. This version has the original CD tracks with the 12" version of Dr Mabuse closing it, though you get the original analogue versions of some tracks that are on the 2003 reissue.

Alltogether, the 2CD set is 2 and a half hours.

There is also a 20th Anniv Edition featuring all the videos.

I think i may have to get the Wishful Thinking remix album as it features Jewelled from the rally car programme (this being a mix of Jewel/Duel). You get the similar Bejwelled on here as part of Do Well - the 20 min cassingle mix of Duel/Jewel. But it's a bit messy in comparison.
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Postby Blondini » Sun Jul 25, 2010 6:34 pm

#92 in the end. Oh well!
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Postby tir69 » Sun Jul 25, 2010 8:38 pm

I'm waiting for my copy import from uk ( I am in Italy )
nr 92 means 2000 copies??
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Postby Blondini » Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:23 pm

tir69 wrote:I'm waiting for my copy import from uk ( I am in Italy )
nr 92 means 2000 copies??
I've no idea. :D
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Postby tir69 » Mon Jul 26, 2010 7:17 am

probably ..cause last week nr 98 sold 2042 copies ..
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Postby irishguy28 » Mon Jul 26, 2010 7:48 am

It sold 1,979 copies.
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Postby tir69 » Mon Jul 26, 2010 9:02 am

irishguy28 wrote:It sold 1,979 copies.
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Postby SeeForever » Tue Jul 27, 2010 9:15 pm

tir69 wrote:
Blondini wrote:^Shame, Dr Mabuse is their absolute classic, imo. Duel is a great pop song but always secondary to me.
100% agree
I prefer Duel!!! But they are easily the best 2 tracks on a great album

Shame it only ended up #92 but I wonder how many people even knew it had been released? I only found out by accident
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Postby Blondini » Sat Jul 31, 2010 2:19 am

Interview with Ralf Dorper:

http://www.league-online.com/
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Postby tir69 » Tue Aug 03, 2010 3:03 pm

Blondini wrote:Interview with Ralf Dorper:

http://www.league-online.com/
thanks...they deserved more success but anyway they leaved a solid sign.
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Postby tir69 » Sat May 05, 2012 2:45 pm

In Italy Wishful Thinking ( Deluxe version )will be release at 4 June 2012 according itunes new releases page
http://snkhan.co.uk/stuff/iTunes.php?chart=ITnew
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Postby tir69 » Tue Oct 16, 2012 12:31 pm

Today I received my copy of "Noise and Girls come out to play/ A compact introduction to Propaganda " this made my day ...lol..
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Postby Blondini » Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:27 pm

I saw that but i have most of it! Have you got Claudia's live DVD with OMD? I haven't.
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Postby tir69 » Thu Oct 18, 2012 7:55 pm

Blondini wrote:I saw that but i have most of it! Have you got Claudia's live DVD with OMD? I haven't.
no i haven't :cry: , but its a official release ?cause i didn't know about that
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Postby Blondini » Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:07 am

Yes. http://www.theremusic.com/news/claudia- ... ala-dvdcd/

Features Heaven 17, Andy Bell and Paul of OneTwo/ OMD.
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Postby tir69 » Fri Oct 19, 2012 8:52 am

Blondini wrote:Yes. http://www.theremusic.com/news/claudia- ... ala-dvdcd/

Features Heaven 17, Andy Bell and Paul of OneTwo/ OMD.
Wow !! thanks for the info !! :D ...it will be my next goal !! :P
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