Obama supports gay marriage publicly!

[neoepzilon]

I agree with you on that.. I see where you're coming from. Yes it's a step in the right direction.. Though I just question the motives.

It looks good on paper but the reasons behind it aren't completely genuine.[

Welcome to the world of the marginalized and disenfranchised! Why is it such an issue now!!! I believe Obama switched his stance MUCH earlier, but couldn't afford to lose his core base while the GOP was riding him.

Exactly Mona.

I say just let the dude live and stop trying to analyze every single move he makes as if he's going for bad. They didn't do it when Bush was in Office, actually going for bad.

[MonaBlissa]

It's weird how a group of people gets to decide if we can marry who we LOVE or not. who do they think they are.. Just cause they think it's wrong doesn't mean anything... as if....

I mean a group of people deciding the fate of millions of LGBT's???.. Outrageous and downright unnecessary, it should be a right, a given...

I don't agree with that. Most people who don't support gay marriage, aren't doing anything to interfere with the lifestyles of gays. Many just don't vote, which explains our gay mayor.

It's a shame that politicians are forcing a chasm with riling up extremism, and forcing people who have a right to believe how they want, to be pulled into this mess.

Why should I have to be put to test to vote for or against gay marriage? Gay relationships have NOTHING to do with my life.

So, why should I be blacklisted because of how I feel about civil unions? I've never actively voted on any gay issue, why am I being put to test for a witchhunt because of "definitions" in the term MARRIAGE, NOT UNIONS.

I think people should take this back to the politicians, and not the public. The public is passive and neutral, and is being riled up by sneaky politicians.

[android]

I got no idea what your on about Mona? Who is black listing you and putting you to the test? Your conscious maybe? Just blaming politicians for the outdated homophobic prejudiced beliefs of some people to me is a cop out. I say well done President Obama.

[swiftie13]

It's weird how a group of people gets to decide if we can marry who we LOVE or not. who do they think they are.. Just cause they think it's wrong doesn't mean anything... as if....

I mean a group of people deciding the fate of millions of LGBT's???.. Outrageous and downright unnecessary, it should be a right, a given...

I don't agree with that. Most people who don't support gay marriage, aren't doing anything to interfere with the lifestyles of gays. Many just don't vote, which explains our gay mayor.

It's a shame that politicians are forcing a chasm with riling up extremism, and forcing people who have a right to believe how they want, to be pulled into this mess.

Why should I have to be put to test to vote for or against gay marriage? Gay relationships have NOTHING to do with my life.

So, why should I be blacklisted because of how I feel about civil unions? I've never actively voted on any gay issue, why am I being put to test for a witchhunt because of "definitions" in the term MARRIAGE, NOT UNIONS.

I think people should take this back to the politicians, and not the public. The public is passive and neutral, and is being riled up by sneaky politicians.

I think gay marriage should not even be a political thing at alllllll

[MonaBlissa]

I got no idea what your on about Mona? Who is black listing you and putting you to the test? Your conscious maybe? Just blaming politicians for the outdated homophobic prejudiced beliefs of some people to me is a cop out. I say well done President Obama.

Child please. Nobody would be talking about this if people weren't politicizing it. Most of Obama's followers still support him. Most of us know that Obama came to this conclusion a long time ago.

And the term "cop out" is the beginning of the witch hunt?

I think gay marriage should not even be a political thing at alllllll

It shouldn't. I don't think it's just legalized gay unions that's being politicized. It's also the choice of millions of women, who choose not to marry, yet have kids. I think when the shocking stats of single, educated, unwed, white mothers came out this year, it became a political issue too.

[android]

I got no idea what your on about Mona? Who is black listing you and putting you to the test? Your conscious maybe? Just blaming politicians for the outdated homophobic prejudiced beliefs of some people to me is a cop out. I say well done President Obama.

Child please. Nobody would be talking about this if people weren't politicizing it. Most of Obama's followers still support him. Most of us know that Obama came to this conclusion a long time ago.

And the term "cop out" is the beginning of the witch hunt?

Seems to me lots of people are talking about gay rights, many see an injustice and if this inspires politicians to right a wrong good. We can be cynical at times of what motivates people but it is the end result that really matters. The tide of opinion is changing on this issue. Oh by the way me thinks the witches of America can still sleep safely I don't see much of a hunt.

[Lehmann]

Don't know if he's sincere or not, but what wonders me is that there's no warranty for him that his gay marriage support will work out and help him to win the elections. 50% of Americans support gay marriage, another half opposes. Afroamericans are large part of his core electoral base - according to the Gallup statistics, most of them oppose gay marriage. So even if he wins some votes he can lose some from his core. Just an assumption.

[neoepzilon]

Don't know if he's sincere or not, but what wonders me is that there's no warranty for him that his gay marriage support will work out and help him to win the elections. 50% of Americans support gay marriage, another half opposes. Afroamericans are large part of his core electoral base - according to the Gallup statistics, most of them oppose gay marriage. So even if he wins some votes he can lose some from his core. Just an assumption.

My point exactly.

He honestly has nothing to gain but personal admiration, because he already had the gay vote in the first place.

If anything, him saying this publicly and the drama surrounding it will hurt his campaign.

[Titan3510]

That's not true, Neo.

Obama just raised 15 million dollars at a fundraiser a day after his press conference. About 1 out of 5 of Obama's sponsors are gay.

Don't you see?

Obama's people decided to go for the finacial backing they'd recieve for this statement while throwing two of his biggest electoral bases (African Americans and Latinos) under the bus.

People are a bit mad.

Why is he really focusing on this gay marriage issue (which shouldn't even be a political issue that's talked about all of the time) when unemployment in the black and Hispanic communities is somewhere in between 16% and 18%? And it's expected to rise...

Why hasn't he addressed the wackjob immigration laws? Why hasn't he addressed the nation's horrible education system and how the poor/minorities (predominantly black and Hispanics) are falling behind?

Can't he discuss the real reasons why Israel is about to get itself blown off the face of the Earth...again?

He has time to address "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy (one of the dumbest executive policies ever)...

...but he can't seem to find the time to address the fact that the nation's crime rate is the lowest it's ever been but the number of people going to jail is the highest it's ever been.

Give me a break.

This is going to be the straw that broke the camel's back in this election.

[Serby]

But you guys do know that this is purely political, right?

It is. But, I believe Obama is sincere.

I know 3 folks who won't vote because of his decision.

I live in the first major U.S. city with a gay mayor---and we are in the South! America is a paradox. Most in my city don't support gay marriage, but we have gay mayor .

Wait...I don't get it You're talking about Huston and then about South America?

[Serby]

...but he can't seem to find the time to address the fact that the nation's crime rate is the lowest it's ever been but the number of people going to jail is the highest it's ever been.

How is that possible?

[Lehmann]

That's not true, Neo.

Obama just raised 15 million dollars at a fundraiser a day after his press conference. About 1 out of 5 of Obama's sponsors are gay.

Don't you see?

Obama's people decided to go for the finacial backing they'd recieve for this statement while throwing two of his biggest electoral bases (African Americans and Latinos) under the bus.

People are a bit mad.

Why is he really focusing on this gay marriage issue (which shouldn't even be a political issue that's talked about all of the time) when unemployment in the black and Hispanic communities is somewhere in between 16% and 18%? And it's expected to rise...

Why hasn't he addressed the wackjob immigration laws? Why hasn't he addressed the nation's horrible education system and how the poor/minorities (predominantly black and Hispanics) are falling behind?

Can't he discuss the real reasons why Israel is about to get itself blown off the face of the Earth...again?

He has time to address "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy (one of the dumbest executive policies ever)...

...but he can't seem to find the time to address the fact that the nation's crime rate is the lowest it's ever been but the number of people going to jail is the highest it's ever been.

Give me a break.

This is going to be the straw that broke the camel's back in this election.

It's common thing in politics. I don't trust politicians cause they care about elections much more than they do about country.
Same story in UK, have read this comment (the most popular) about David Cameron on Telegraph..
The UK is suffering with one of the worst economic recessions in 30 years, unemployment is at an all time high, wages are being cut, now mortgages are going up along with skyrocketing petrol and energy prices, and all he can offer the country is a public consultation on gay marriage? Give me a friggin' break!

It's much more easier to focus on gay rights issue (which, I agree with you, shouldn't be an issue that matters) than on fixing up economy and fighting unemployment.

[Titan3510]

But you guys do know that this is purely political, right?

It is. But, I believe Obama is sincere.

I know 3 folks who won't vote because of his decision.

I live in the first major U.S. city with a gay mayor---and we are in the South! America is a paradox. Most in my city don't support gay marriage, but we have gay mayor .

Wait...I don't get it You're talking about Huston and then about South America?

No, you misunderstood her.

In the first sentence when she's talking about the South, she is talking about the southern portion of America (states like Florida, Mississippi, Louisiana, Texas, Alabama, etc.). In the second sentence, she's talking about America as an entire nation.

...but he can't seem to find the time to address the fact that the nation's crime rate is the lowest it's ever been but the number of people going to jail is the highest it's ever been.

How is that possible?

My point exactly.

What's even crazier is that most prisoners are young black/Latino men who have been imprisoned behind non-violent crime. Actual violent crime (murder, rape, arson, kidnapping, etc.) has been decreasing every year since 1990.

When you take a step back and look at the big picture, this whole same-sex marriage debate is really a distraction. An agenda that certain individuals are trying to push so that they can have their way with society.

But whatever...

I can't even really applaud Obama or his administration for having gay people's best interest at heart when the gesture is anything but genuine.

The Democrats have some damage control to do or else they are going to be in for a nasty surprise this November.

All this really bothers me because I really don't want Romney to be the next president.

[neoepzilon]

That's not true, Neo.

Obama just raised 15 million dollars at a fundraiser a day after his press conference. About 1 out of 5 of Obama's sponsors are gay.

Don't you see?

Obama's people decided to go for the finacial backing they'd recieve for this statement while throwing two of his biggest electoral bases (African Americans and Latinos) under the bus.

People are a bit mad.

Why is he really focusing on this gay marriage issue (which shouldn't even be a political issue that's talked about all of the time) when unemployment in the black and Hispanic communities is somewhere in between 16% and 18%? And it's expected to rise...

Why hasn't he addressed the wackjob immigration laws? Why hasn't he addressed the nation's horrible education system and how the poor/minorities (predominantly black and Hispanics) are falling behind?

Can't he discuss the real reasons why Israel is about to get itself blown off the face of the Earth...again?

He has time to address "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy (one of the dumbest executive policies ever)...

...but he can't seem to find the time to address the fact that the nation's crime rate is the lowest it's ever been but the number of people going to jail is the highest it's ever been.

Give me a break.

This is going to be the straw that broke the camel's back in this election.

If anything, him saying this publicly and the drama surrounding it will hurt his campaign.

You just disagreed with me and then proved my statement true.

[Titan3510]

Nope.

First and foremost, I was talking about financial and political backing.

Financially, his campaign is on solid ground. He has raised a little over 40 million dollars in campaign money via fundraisers since his statement.

A large chunk of the Democratic party (the financially secure, moderate liberals, radical liberals) will be behind him every step of the way.

I'm talking about the enthusiasm in the African American, Latino, Asian and poor white communities...

The enthusiasm, the cult of personality, the support he had in 2007 and 2008 will be gone.

The reason why Republicans win so many presidential and congressional elections (i.e. Bush's victories in 2000 and 2004) is because African American and Latinos do what they normally do: stay at home.

So the states like North Carolina and Virginia that Obama barely won will most likely not be on his side this time around.

See the difference in what I was saying?

His campaign efforts will be amazing. It's the end result in November that he has to worry about.

[neoepzilon]

Titan a campaign that does not achieve its desired objective is called a failed campaign. If his campaign goal is to be re-elected into office, and he fails to be re-elected in November, then his campaign will have therefore failed.

[MonaBlissa]

But you guys do know that this is purely political, right?

It is. But, I believe Obama is sincere.

I know 3 folks who won't vote because of his decision.

I live in the first major U.S. city with a gay mayor---and we are in the South! America is a paradox. Most in my city don't support gay marriage, but we have gay mayor .

Wait...I don't get it You're talking about Huston and then about South America?

We are in the South! --- America is a paradox.

It was meant to be read that way.

[MonaBlissa]

Titan, I get your point. My mom thinks he doesn't want to be re-elected. I believe Obama has been SSM supportive for years.

[Titan3510]

This is what you said.

If anything, him saying this publicly and the drama surrounding it will hurt his campaign.

His campaign has not been hurt by this. He earned a little over 40 million dollars thus far...

Now you're saying this:

Titan a campaign that does not achieve its desired objective is called a failed campaign. If his campaign goal is to be re-elected into office, and he fails to be re-elected in November, then his campaign will have therefore failed.

You're changing your tune.

A failed campaign doesn't necessarily have to be a campaign that was in trouble.

A winning campaign can be a campaign that was hurt by some kind of controversy.

[Titan3510]

Titan, I get your point. My mom thinks he doesn't want to be re-elected. I believe Obama has been SSM supportive for years.

I'm so glad you understand what I'm saying.



If he doesn't want to be re-elected and he's being forced to run for re-election, I don't blame him. Obama has been catching unusual amounts of flack from all sides since he got inaugurated...

I don't believe that he was supportive like that for years but I totally understand how and why you came to that conclusion.

He has been "evolving" so erratically over the years to suit whatever situation he is being placed in.

The only person who really knows where he stands is probably his wife.

[MonaBlissa]

He has been "evolving" so erratically over the years to suit whatever situation he is being placed in.

You know that's rooted in his background and experience, being biracial and living among different cultures and religions.

The only person who really knows where he stands is probably his wife.

Yes. And I'm sure she's tired of DC. Michelle has been muzzled for too long.

[android]

Gee I must see Obama in a much more different light then some of the comments made here. America has many structural problems and a lot of which I think was caused by a greed risk driven Wall Street and a fast changing integrated world. Obama inherited a mess including the Global financial crisis. I think he is managing a very difficult situation reasonably well. He has a hostile Congress to try and deal with but if the good people of America have lost patience and black and Latino Americans think they will be better off not voting so the likes of the Tea party candidates win then that be democracy and their choice I suppose.
I find Obama stable, intelligent and thoughtful.
I see Obama and those in Washington including the media focus-sing on multiple issues such as the economy , health, education, immigration, infrastructure, defence, relations with the rest of the world, inequality and justice including the issue of gay rights. So we get a couple of days of media and political focus on gay marriage what is wrong with that?

When I step back and look at the big picture I do not see a distraction as some would say but a firm belief that it is wrong to to discriminate against others on the grounds of sexual orientation.

[MonaBlissa]

Gee I must see Obama in a much more different light then some of the comments made here. America has many structural problems and a lot of which I think was caused by a greed risk driven Wall Street and a fast changing integrated world. Obama inherited a mess including the Global financial crisis. I think he is managing a very difficult situation reasonably well. He has a hostile Congress to try and deal with but if the good people of America have lost patience and black and Latino Americans think they will be better off not voting so the likes of the Tea party candidates win then that be democracy and their choice I suppose.
I find Obama stable, intelligent and thoughtful.
I see Obama and those in Washington including the media focus-sing on multiple issues such as the economy , health, education, immigration, infrastructure, defence, relations with the rest of the world, inequality and justice including the issue of gay rights. So we get a couple of days of media and political focus on gay marriage what is wrong with that?

I actually agree with everything you said above.

But Obama's unwillingness to put the "stone foot in the butts" of his opposition and moderate spineless Dems is the reason why I brought up his "flip flopping to make the world a happy place." I believe Obama changed his stance on gay marriage over a year ago.

Obama is the perfect president with MAJOR missing pieces. He has the activism movement behind him. He's just lacking with a "programmed, lazy, comfortable, hopeless" public and party who has been bamboozled and hoodwinked by the same greed that caused the global economic collapse.

[neoepzilon]

I don't agree or disagree with you Titan I just don't know what you're talking about.

I'm sure a lot of conservative middle age men will be excited to vote for him after seeing this on the newsstands this week.

[Serby]

^ Is taht real cover?