Well you may be right about Warner shipments for these 2 singles because I find it hard to see them as over-the-counter sales.Maripol wrote:1. All of Madonna's singles were reissued on CD single in 1994 in the UK, and only deleted in 2007 - this included all her singles from Everybody to Vogue featuring new yellow labels, with all her later singles bar Justify My Love and Rescue Me (these were replaced by US maxi-singles) staying in print. These sold WAY more than 400 copies in six years in the case of Playground and others. They were continually restocked by even small branches of HMV/Virgin.fiesta wrote:Without a re-issue or re-release, which their has been none, these singles would not sell more in vast quantities after their initail release. For instance Playground only sold 400 copies between 1993 and 1999. It is only since 2004 when legal downloads were counted that singles have been able to sell again in significant quantities.ThunderRoad wrote:What happened with the 1992-2004 sales?fiesta wrote:What I don't understand about the list of biggest selling Madonna singles is, both her 1992 singles This Used To Be My Playground and Erotica are listed as 270,000. However these singles only sold 155,000 and 115,000 respectively in 1992. This means that Playground has sold almost 120,000 and Erotica over 150,000 in downloads since 2004. They are not two of most popular songs, compared to more popular songs like say, Vogue and this works out as having only sold 40,000 since 2004. Even Into The Groove works out at less than 100,000 sales since 2004, and this has always been her biggest seller and most notorious hit Seems rather odd to me
2. Add to that the sales of the popular Erotica US and Australian maxi-imports, which were also continually repressed and are still available in shops
3. Add in the 1993 sales when Erotica charted in the Top 75. TUTBMP likely charted in 1993 lower down.
4. And who's to say that the 1992 data is even correct anyway?
I'd go with Alan Jones - he has the sales data sheets from Warner.
This Used To Be My Playground was year-end number 42 in 1992 selling 154,000. It had sold around another 400 copies by week 12 of 1993 after which its sales were low enough to dip under the radar, so to speak.
Erotica was year-end number 67 in 1992 selling 117,000, and then it sold another 2,000 in the first quarter of 1993 before also disappearing from view. The 1993 re-entry you mentioned was the chart of January 9th 1993, which was actually the last sales week of 1992, and that week is therefore part of the 117,000.
In both the above cases the sales figures were derived using Gallup's recommended multiplier (15).
Imported copies would have been tabulated separately due to their different catalogue numbers. Whether Alan Jones has included these now I don’t know, but remember 11,000 sales from 1994 of Whitney Houston’s I Will Always Love You were not included in its sales figure in the all-time Top 100 singles list that Alan Jones was involved with, despite it still being in the Top 75 at the start of year. I’m sceptical that uncharted imported versions from the early 1990s would now be included.
Even so, the issue with these two singles is not whether they might have sold a few thousand more copies between 1993 and the commencement of downloading, it is that their jumps in sales are just so huge. In the Madonna chart, which had sales to August 15th, 2008, the next biggest gain amongst 1990s singles is Vogue, which is up about 40,000 on 1990-1991 totals.
Justify My Love is actually down nearly 25,000, while some mid-1990s singles are also down, presumably due to the switchover from the old figures, based on panel sales reporting, to the new DUS figures, with the reduction not offset by downloads.