Madonna :: The "MDNA" Era

[GUS argentino78]

Flop? We must remember that MDNA is a project, not just a cd. Only in Abu Dhabi she grossed $11,388,245. It's like selling one million of cds in one day and she'll probably have the highest (or the second highest) grossing tour of all times.

Who else has a flop project like this in 2012?

The success of the tour has nothing to do with the album. She could have released anything, a blockbuster or a flop ... people would go to see her live anyway. It's the megastar, the diva, that people want to see...as well as "old" legends like the Stones or U2...they don't rely on how their last album performs to fill stadiums.

Oh please.....you (not you specifically Argentino ) would be the first jumping on M throat if the tour wasn't smashing as it is.

And don't make it look like the success of the tour it's for granted because it's NOT actually, in these case some of other divas should have her similar gross and success: but again so it's not.
+ Tour wise rock bands (included those that you mentioned) , is known, that have a more fidel public and are major drawn act than Pop star divas in general.

1. Did anyone think MDNA tour could have flopped? Really? It was a surefire worldwide HIT!
Does it have anything to do with the album? I don't think so... if that would be the case, the tour would be selling poorly which is not the case.

2. Madonna can't be compared to usual pop divas in terms of touring (with some exceptions like Celine Dion). She's a touring force comparable to those rock legends instead... that's her accomplishment. Only hers, that makes her so unique.

[ManTooth]

MDNA rises 12 notches to #10 on the Hong Kong HMV album chart. Not sure what caused it (discounting, radio play of something, etc.)

[Timmy94]

@argentino78: In most cases, album/singles success is an indicator whether a tour is going to be successful or not. If an album is having problems to sell, there is usually not much interest in the artist.

This time, Madonna is doing it unusually that so many people want to see the MDNA-tour without having bought the album that promotes it.

So in which cases does a tour really flop?

[IceAngel]

So in which cases does a tour really flop?

It's all relative. You have to take into account venues size, tickets price, number of dates played and also number of countries played.

MDNA tour is filling stadiums and arenas all over the world, that can never be considered a flop no matter how much her album sells.

[adriano]

But reallly there's someone on this planet who is telling that the tour is flopping?

[Timmy94]

But reallly there's someone on this planet who is telling that the tour is flopping?

What makes you think so ? So far, there is just positive news about the commercial part of the tour .

But back to my question: When Madonna's tour is such a hit despite the album flopping, in which cases does a tour flop and what does it depend on?

[IceAngel]

But reallly there's someone on this planet who is telling that the tour is flopping?

What makes you think so ? So far, there is just positive news about the commercial part of the tour .

But back to my question: When Madonna's tour is such a hit despite the album flopping, in which cases does a tour flop and what does it deprnd on?

Well I don't want to bring other artists to this conversation, but let's say there's an established artist whose comeback album sells millions and millions, then they go on tour and they struggle to sell out an arena in a city like New York or Los Angeles. Well then that tour is a flop, especially since the album was so successful.

This is just an hypothetical situation.

[stevyy]

But reallly there's someone on this planet who is telling that the tour is flopping?

What makes you think so ? So far, there is just positive news about the commercial part of the tour .

But back to my question: When Madonna's tour is such a hit despite the album flopping, in which cases does a tour flop and what does it deprnd on?

a tour flops when you - as an artist - never took it seriously or when you experienced many flop albums in a row.

Madonna fortunately falls in the category of artists who can put together amazing shows and who has a status that is unmatched by her peers. (from from her peers only Celine can keep up with her).

[clh_hilary]

But reallly there's someone on this planet who is telling that the tour is flopping?

What makes you think so ? So far, there is just positive news about the commercial part of the tour .

But back to my question: When Madonna's tour is such a hit despite the album flopping, in which cases does a tour flop and what does it deprnd on?

Well I don't want to bring other artists to this conversation, but let's say there's an established artist whose comeback album sells millions and millions, then they go on tour and they struggle to sell out an arena in a city like New York or Los Angeles. Well then that tour is a flop, especially since the album was so successful.

This is just an hypothetical situation.

This is such an extreme hypothetical situation though. I mean, in this hypothetical situation, that certain female 90s star went multi-Platinum with her album, which ended as the #1-selling album of the year, along with the song of the decade.

But in all seriousness, such situation would not be all that shocking if it happens on a newer star. Like Ke$ha who got a #1 album and multiple mega hits with her debut (I don't know whether she had went on tour); but it's really shocking IF that artist is supposed to be an established artist who was popular for an extended period of time in the past. Usually older big stars sell tickets.

[Pororo]

Oricon Chart

75(45) "The Complete Studio Albums (1983-2008)" 1,184 [Total: 29,801]

78(75) "MDNA" 1,138 [Total: 78,112 ]

[boysgowild]

A succesful album does not guarantee a succesful tour! The opposite is very common on the other hand. Mariblah Scary sold millions and millions of her "The Constipation of Moo Moo" album some years back but when she hit the road she was forced to discount tickets for her tour at the salvation price of $10 in order to convince some people to come and see her live!

[Nackar]

A succesful album does not guarantee a succesful tour! The opposite is very common on the other hand. Mariblah Scary sold millions and millions of her "The Constipation of Moo Moo" album some years back but when she hit the road she was forced to discount tickets for her tour at the salvation price of $10 in order to convince some people to come and see her live!

That shade was childish, unnecessary and EXACTLY the reason why this thread is such a mess all the time.

[denise]

But reallly there's someone on this planet who is telling that the tour is flopping?

What makes you think so ? So far, there is just positive news about the commercial part of the tour .

But back to my question: When Madonna's tour is such a hit despite the album flopping, in which cases does a tour flop and what does it deprnd on?

a tour flops when you - as an artist - never took it seriously or when you experienced many flop albums in a row.

Madonna fortunately falls in the category of artists who can put together amazing shows and who has a status that is unmatched by her peers. (from from her peers only Celine can keep up with her).

I wouldn't put Celine there: I do not even consider Celine her peer...as she exploded WW well a decade after Madge. I feel more as a Madonna peer a Janet.
As for the tour, Celine is not touring constantly as Madge is doing, her last proper Tour was from 2007 and its gross was far from being at the level of the Tour Madge had in the same period (Sticky): 280mil vs 410 mil for Madge and that despite the fact Madge toured less and visited less countries than Celine.

Oh and before someone comes biting at my back, yes Celine has put in her pocket an insane amount od money: but that's more about a non stop giving concert for the whole life(lol) at Vegas and has not to do with a proper Tours

@boysgowild: have to agree with Nackar, there was no need to diss Mariah here.

[clh_hilary]

But reallly there's someone on this planet who is telling that the tour is flopping?

What makes you think so ? So far, there is just positive news about the commercial part of the tour .

But back to my question: When Madonna's tour is such a hit despite the album flopping, in which cases does a tour flop and what does it deprnd on?

a tour flops when you - as an artist - never took it seriously or when you experienced many flop albums in a row.

Madonna fortunately falls in the category of artists who can put together amazing shows and who has a status that is unmatched by her peers. (from from her peers only Celine can keep up with her).

I wouldn't put Celine there: I do not even consider Celine her peer...as she exploded WW well a decade after Madge. I feel more as a Madonna peer a Janet.
As for the tour, Celine is not touring constantly as Madge is doing, her last proper Tour was from 2007 and its gross was far from being at the level of the Tour Madge had in the same period (Sticky): 280mil vs 410 mil for Madge and that despite the fact Madge toured less and visited less countries than Celine.

Oh and before someone comes biting at my back, yes Celine has put in her pocket an insane amount od money: but that's more about a non stop giving concert for the whole life(lol) at Vegas and has not to do with a proper Tours

@boysgowild: have to agree with Nackar, there was no need to diss Mariah here.

I guess the Vegas shows can be considered as a concert tour...But still, the capacity each night is fairly low for Celine there and I suppose the prices are way lower as well? She basically just worked her butt off to earn those money.

[michelangelo]

please guys let's stick to MDNA charts analysis...

[denise]

@Chil-Hilary: I don't consider a proper WW Tour and a resident show the same thing: enough with Celine, ok...sorry for the OT guys....back to MDNA disastrous charts update LOL.

[michelangelo]

@Chil-Hilary: I don't consider a proper WW Tour and a resident show the same thing: enough with Celine, ok...sorry for the OT guys....back to MDNA disastrous charts update LOL.

ahah LOL
I'm sure we'll get good news one day or another...
Waiting for Italy and Spain updates...can't wait...

[spiritboy]

Why can't some Madonna stans admit that MDNA is a flop and let it go? Neither Madonna nor her fans have to prove people anything. The ww sales of MDNA is a disaster, with or without hit singles. Yes, there were many factors like, she didn't promote and focused on tour, wrong lead single choices and not releasing the album right after Super Bowl.

Yes, the tour is ultra successful but you don't have to bring it up everytime someone says MDNA flopped. Just relax and let people say whatever they want.

[paperinobz]

iTunes MDNA
#9 Hungary
#13 Italy
#14 Lithuania
#16 Nicaragua
#16 Venezuela
#18 Estonia
#21 Argentina
#29 Colombia
#31 Slovakia
#35 Spain
#42 Malta
#42 Poland
#48 Costa Rica
#49 Italy
#57 Peru
#59 Czech Republic
#76 Hungary
#78 Chile
#85 Finland
#97 Bulgaria
#100 Czech Republic
#104 Malta
#113 Bolivia
#117 Portugal
#121 Greece
#122 Cyprus
#150 Japan
#153 Latvia
#162 Sweden
#174 Bulgaria
#179 Netherlands
#179 Paraguay
#185 Dominican Republic
#191 Argentina
#208 France
#211 Honduras
#227 El Salvador
#233 Mexico
#273 Slovenia
#283 Brazil
#313 Belgium
#319 Guatemala
#321 Romania
#336 Panama
#353 Luxembourg
#400 Denmark

[AndiIversen]

Czech Republic / Slovakia:

IFPI Hitparáda - TOP50 Prodejní (top 50 albums):

#10 (lw:#11) MDNA Madonna (12 weeks on)

Slovakia:

IFPI Hitparáda - RADIO TOP100 Oficiálna(top 100 radio):

#41 (lw:#59) Girl Gone Wild Madonna

[NoAngel]

Yes, the tour is ultra successful but you don't have to bring it up everytime someone says MDNA flopped.

AMEN!

[Thebeatgoeson]

Is there a Turkish official album chart???

[denise]

Is there a Turkish official album chart???

NO

[upushme]

Waiting for Italy and Spain updates...can't wait...

I think in Italy MDNA will go from #11 to #5 (maybe to #4). We must wait 2 days for the official news.

In Spain in the next update (probably tomorrow) it won't be far from the last position (#25). If there will be a relevant tour effect, we'll find out next week.
Hopefully we'll have a Platinum certification (40K) tomorrow or next week. Bruce Springsteen got it in its third week and Madonna is Gold (20K) from the first week and still like that after 11 weeks, but The Boss was #1 for 3 weeks, while Madge did as it follows:
1-3-6-11-15-17-24-20-29-28-25

[Craigh]

'Why can't some Madonna stans admit that MDNA is a flop and let it go? Neither Madonna nor her fans have to prove people anything. The ww sales of MDNA is a disaster, with or without hit singles. Yes, there were many factors like, she didn't promote and focused on tour, wrong lead single choices and not releasing the album right after Super Bowl.'

You seem to frequently miss the point, the sales are not a disaster, disappointing for her yes but coming in to 1 on a half is not a 'disaster'