The Hits Daily Double Thread

[NothingFails]

It would be bad if Believe only did like Born This Way because many people were disappointed by that album, especially because of its huge hype and Lady Gaga which established herself as a pop icon within just 2 years.

I also want to see some stability for Believe. Don't wanna see a 400k - 120k - 70k - 40k - 30k - 20k
I want it to stay in the top 10/20 for a long time and I think Justin Bieber could pull another slim 2nd week decline like he did with M World 2.0.

I hope it falls hard. Maybe the media will stop shoving him down everyone's throats and trying to tell us that he's the next Michael Jackson and that people of all ages have to get on board and acknowledge his "talent" for ripping Justin Timberlake off. Hopefully this opening is the beginning of the end of his pop reign.

Much like Gaga last year, Bieber has been ridiculously overexposed and a backlash is in order.

[TrinidadNavy]

Kinda shocked the Biebs is only gonna do about 450K. I thought he would do at the very least 500K in his sleep. I guess the media really has hyped him bigger than he actually is. Not to mention his last two preview singles were terrible, he may have killed momentum. As Long As You Love Me is better though, so he may have longevity but he needs to get his performance game up cus right now, its kinda falling through.

[atbw13]

It would be bad if Believe only did like Born This Way because many people were disappointed by that album, especially because of its huge hype and Lady Gaga which established herself as a pop icon within just 2 years.

I also want to see some stability for Believe. Don't wanna see a 400k - 120k - 70k - 40k - 30k - 20k
I want it to stay in the top 10/20 for a long time and I think Justin Bieber could pull another slim 2nd week decline like he did with M World 2.0.

I hope it falls hard. Maybe the media will stop shoving him down everyone's throats and trying to tell us that he's the next Michael Jackson and that people of all ages have to get on board and acknowledge his "talent" for ripping Justin Timberlake off. Hopefully this opening is the beginning of the end of his pop reign.

Much like Gaga last year, Bieber has been ridiculously overexposed and a backlash is in order.

I share the same thought and feel the same way! Just the other day I was in shock when I saw some people calling him the "New King of Pop" on a Billboard forum and to make things even worse Billborad.com itself is now calling him "The Prince of Pop" . I feel extremely sad and disgusted just to hear something so stupid like that!
And when I share NF´s wishes for the album to fall harder on its second week , I´m not hating on Justin , I´m just hoping that people finally realize the true "artist" he is

[Griego]

Don't wanna see a 400k - 120k - 70k - 40k - 30k - 20k

Me neither. I want to see 400k - 0k - 0k - 0k - 0k - 0k

Lmao.

@Timmy could you please stop bringing BTW up over and over again?? Geez, get over it. It has sold 2.2M in the US to date. Yes, its sales were basically front-loaded but who cares, in the end, 2.2M is a very good result these years. You can't repeat the success from such a successul debut era like TF so easily. Things change between eras and that applies to all artists. You can't be the hot new thing forever and expect everything's gonna be perfect. Plus, you can have a bunch of hit singles and it doesn't necessarily gets reflected in album sales. What about Loud and Teenage Dream? TD spawned 5 no.1 singles plus a top 5 single and it has sold the same than BTW and Loud produced 3 no.1 singles, 1 top ten single and 2 top 40 hits and it has sold 1.6M to date! So? What do you expect? Adele's success and stability for every artist? Who doesn't?! But reality is reality.

Much like Gaga last year, Bieber has been ridiculously overexposed and a backlash is in order.

How do you know that? Don't underestimate teens, they can surprise you, they managed to make BSB and N Sync hit diamond twice!!

[GetBack]

Justin Bieber changed his sound, he's sporting this all-grown-up and almost ready for sex image now, with this early-2000s R&B/pop sound, so it's expected that his core fanbase (kids to pre-teens) are not going to buy it. Not to mention, there are new acts like One Direction for example, who are stealing his thunder. Only time will tell if he will survive the career peak hype.

[Timmy94]

@Griego: I don't think Born This Way did very good.
Don't get blinded just by the sales, the chart run is what matters.

And don't forget: Just because the others are doing badly doesn't make you a success just because you are doing less badly...

[Nackar]

@Griego: I don't think Born This Way did very good.
Don't get blinded just by the sales, the chart run is what matters to me.

And don't forget: Just because the others are doing badly doesn't make you a success just because you are doing less badly...

Fixed.

Also, your second comment, I don't see how that works. If everyone else in the industry is doing worse than you, then surely that by definition makes you a success because then apparently THAT'S what constitutes a success in the new market?

[truthless]

Don't wanna see a 400k - 120k - 70k - 40k - 30k - 20k

Me neither. I want to see 400k - 0k - 0k - 0k - 0k - 0k

[NothingFails]

Much like Gaga last year, Bieber has been ridiculously overexposed and a backlash is in order.

How do you know that? Don't underestimate teens, they can surprise you, they managed to make BSB and N Sync hit diamond twice!!

I truly believe Bieber has been even more saturated than Gaga was, and look how people got burnt out on Gaga.

Teens have more ADD than they did in the 90s. Look how quickly Jonas Brothers became yesterdays news.

[Nackar]

^ As if the Jonas Brothers were ever as big as Biebs still is!

At this point it's all still conjecture. I don't think he'll pull a "Gaga 2.0". Don't think he'll emulate My World 2.0 per se, but he'll do just fine.

At any rate, we'll see eventually!

[NothingFails]

^ As if the Jonas Brothers were ever as big as Biebs still is!

At this point it's all still conjecture. I don't think he'll pull a "Gaga 2.0". Don't think he'll emulate My World 2.0 per se, but he'll do just fine.

At any rate, we'll see eventually!

Well I think Justin's new sound is alienating his tween fans who are moving onto One Direction, but at the same time, I think the name Justin Bieber carries too much of a tween stigma to it that I doubt he'll be gaining many new fans with his new sound. He's in the position Miley Cyrus was in when she was shedding Hannah Montana and trying to become sexier and more mature, she lost her kiddies but older people weren't going to be caught dead listening to her. He should've held onto it another album or two and then do the change, like Justin Timberlake waited until he was at an age and point where he was able to transition from teen pop heartthrob to mature adult superstar... Bieber should've waited until he was 20-21.

[joao]

^ As if the Jonas Brothers were ever as big as Biebs still is!

At this point it's all still conjecture. I don't think he'll pull a "Gaga 2.0". Don't think he'll emulate My World 2.0 per se, but he'll do just fine.

At any rate, we'll see eventually!

Well I think Justin's new sound is alienating his tween fans who are moving onto One Direction, but at the same time, I think the name Justin Bieber carries too much of a tween stigma to it that I doubt he'll be gaining many new fans with his new sound. He's in the position Miley Cyrus was in when she was shedding Hannah Montana and trying to become sexier and more mature, she lost her kiddies but older people weren't going to be caught dead listening to her. He should've held onto it another album or two and then do the change, like Justin Timberlake waited until he was at an age and point where he was able to transition from teen pop heartthrob to mature adult superstar... Bieber should've waited until he was 20-21.

The problem with these post-teen acts is that they build a name by sayng things like they don´t want to have sex before marriage, they are so thankful for their parents for teaching God´s word, how important it is to value your inner beauty and not have sex with anyone... wear purity rings... and then all of a sudden release a video clip where they try to sexually tease the hell out of their fans! Hipocrisy! If the Jonas Brothers are so concerned about their fans getting sex before married, why the hell they have to make videos where the guy is in bed with a sexy female model?

And also, they confuse getting mature with becoming a slut... to make sexually appealing lyrics and videos is definitely not sign of maturity! In fact, when I hear lyrcis by artists like Usher who NEVER talks about anything else other then going to a club, finding sexy women and going to bed with them, I think they are lost in their teens and haven´t evolved much... or maybe they just pretend to be stupid cause the public wants that.

[joao]

@Griego: I don't think Born This Way did very good.
Don't get blinded just by the sales, the chart run is what matters to me.

And don't forget: Just because the others are doing badly doesn't make you a success just because you are doing less badly...

Fixed.

Actually, the chart run also matters in an objective way.

A 2 million seller is a 2 million seller, but if you sell 50% of those copies on the first week alone, being the followup to a hugely sucessful album, the tendency is that you´re going to sell much less in the next album. It´s a sign that your sucess is much due to hype from the previous release, rather then current interest in your material.

I remember last year when Born This Way was selling 1.6 million copies and Gaga´s fans said it didn´t matter if she got to that mark by selling 1.1 million in 1 week and 500k in another 2 months, 1.6 million is 1.6 million no matter how it was achieved, they said.

The thing is, if you get to 1.6 million by selling 1.1 million in the first week and another 500k in 2 months, you´re probably not going much further (and BTW stalled around the 2 million mark). While if you get to 1.6 million with steady sales week after week, prospects are you´re going much further.

Another example is MDNA... if that album had sold 450k with steady sales, we could expect that it would eventually go platinum by the end of the year. But once much more then a half of its sales happened on the release week and the album drops like a rock week after week, prospects are that it´s not going much further then 500k. So the way sales are distributed in the chart run is very important too...

[whan]

well, i think he more reminds me of Miley Cyrus. Gaga's sales was underperformed.. but her first week sales was impressive.

[rp662]

Justin Bieber will score his best-ever first week, while Kenny Chesney looks to top the 183.5k first week of his last album, 2010's Hemingway's Whiskey. Country music dominates the Top 15 this week with six, maybe seven, of the titles coming out of Nashville. One Direction, one of this year's biggest success stories, sees a slight bump in sales, possibly from the Bieber traffic in the stores. Here's how it looks headed into the weekend:

*Justin Bieber (Island/IDJ) 400-425k
*Kenny Chesney (Blue Chair/Columbia Nashville) 190-210k
*Fiona Apple (Epic) 65-70k
Usher (RCA) 50-55k
Adele (XL/Columbia) 50-55k
Rock of Ages (WaterTower) 45-50k
*Smashing Pumpkins (Martha's Music/EMI Label Services) 45-50k
One Direction (Syco/Columbia) 40-45k
Rush (Roadrunner) 27-30k
Alan Jackson (Capitol Nashville/EMI) 25-28k
Luke Bryan (Capitol Nashville/EMI) 24-27k
Josh Turner (MCA Nashville) 23-27k
*Dirty Heads (Five Seven) 20-23k
Now Country 5 (UMe) 20-23k
Carrie Underwood (19/Arista Nashville) 18-21k
Lionel Richie (Mercury Nashville) 18-21k
John Mayer (Columbia) 18-21k

*Debuts (6/21p)

[GUS]

#3 for Fiona will be her highest position so far after 16 years in the business.
"Extraordinary machine" debuted at #7 in 2005.

On the other hand, only #7 for Smashing Pumpkins is no good at all

[Griego]

He's in the position Miley Cyrus was in when she was shedding Hannah Montana and trying to become sexier and more mature.

Become sexier and mature?? Britney did that, Miley on the other hand basically become a total slut! That's why she lost so many fans, that and the fact that she wasn't even 18 when she started promoting herself like a whore! What the hell was she thinking?

[GUS]

He's in the position Miley Cyrus was in when she was shedding Hannah Montana and trying to become sexier and more mature.

Become sexier and mature?? Britney did that, Miley on the other hand basically become a total slut! That's why she lost so many fans, that and the fact that she wasn't even 18 when she started promoting herself like a whore! What the hell was she thinking?

So you think Cyrus was a slut in "Can't be tamed" but Britney wasn't in "I'm a slave 4U"??? What's the difference?

[Griego]

He's in the position Miley Cyrus was in when she was shedding Hannah Montana and trying to become sexier and more mature.

Become sexier and mature?? Britney did that, Miley on the other hand basically become a total slut! That's why she lost so many fans, that and the fact that she wasn't even 18 when she started promoting herself like a whore! What the hell was she thinking?

So you think Cyrus was a slut in "Can't be tamed" but Britney wasn't in "I'm a slave 4U"??? What's the difference?

Britney started becoming sexy in Don't Let Me Be The Last To Know, more than a year before IAS4U video and it wasn't so sudden and shocking like Miley did it. Plus in I'm A Slave 4 U Britney was 20 while Miley was only 17 on that video. That and the fact Britney was miles sexier than Miley will ever be.

[abi]

I don't think Miley looks slutty in the "Can't Be Tamed" video, she's just looking sexy the same with "Party In The USA" video. I think the main problem is the song itself is too different and too mature for her Teen Pop/Rock audience, and yes she does look slutty on the album cover.

[ECE]

So much sad and needless hate in this thread

[starshine90]

*Justin Bieber (Island/IDJ) 400-425k

Decreasing again, like I said he has weekend-freefalling effect as always so I think he'll open under 400K.

[GetBack]

Miley became annoying when she grew up, with all the drama of her shedding off her innocence and all and of course, her supposed feud with her dad. She tried to hard to be sexy, unlike Britney, Christina, Lindsay Lohan, who were all in the magazines when they became full-fledged sex kittens. She doesn't have a strong sex appeal, it looked really forced on her.

As for Britney, she was courting controversy since the first day of her existence: she teased in "...Baby One More Time" video and Rolling Stone cover, stripped in "Oops!...I Did It Again" performance, flaunted in the "Don't Let Me Be the last to Know" and "Slave 4 U" videos and bared her flesh in "Toxic" up to present.

With Justin Bieber, it's still very awkward because (1) he still looks like a kid, and (2) his stigma as an artist is the "kid-friendly singer who is very conservative, decent and proper" which is hard to erase with his attitude of being always polite and nice, and hugging young girls and being a role model to kids. He is no Justin Timberlake (back in 2000-2002) whose image was a bit of a "playboy and hopeless romantic crooner" or Usher (back in 1997-1999) who had the image that can entice a mature audience with the sexual innuendo of his music despite his age at that time.

[starshine90]

Even with this, Billboard's prediction still gets decreasing, here.

[Timmy94]

Wouldn't be surprised about Believe selling ~ 350k with predictions steadily falling...