The Hits Daily Double Thread

by **thebigham** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:16 pm

Billboard is always very conservative with their estimates.

by **NothingFails** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:27 pm

GetBack wrote:Miley became annoying when she grew up, with all the drama of her shedding off her innocence and all and of course, her supposed feud with her dad. She tried to hard to be sexy, unlike Britney, Christina, Lindsay Lohan, who were all in the magazines when they became full-fledged sex kittens. She doesn't have a strong sex appeal, it looked really forced on her.

As for Britney, she was courting controversy since the first day of her existence: she teased in "...Baby One More Time" video and Rolling Stone cover, stripped in "Oops!...I Did It Again" performance, flaunted in the "Don't Let Me Be the last to Know" and "Slave 4 U" videos and bared her flesh in "Toxic" up to present.

With Justin Bieber, it's still very awkward because (1) he still looks like a kid, and (2) his stigma as an artist is the "kid-friendly singer who is very conservative, decent and proper" which is hard to erase with his attitude of being always polite and nice, and hugging young girls and being a role model to kids. He is no Justin Timberlake (back in 2000-2002) whose image was a bit of a "playboy and hopeless romantic crooner" or Usher (back in 1997-1999) who had the image that can entice a mature audience with the sexual innuendo of his music despite his age at that time.

All of what you said is true. Even though Britney of course started out as a 16 year old pop star, she marketed herself as a sex symbol that grown up men felt like perverts for wanting to get with and tried to establish herself more as a teen Madonna/Janet than as a Disney star.

Even though Bieber is 18, he still looks like a kid (and there is one photo of him they always use on The Soup where he looks like a grown lesbian) but I don't think he's distanced himself enough from the image of that guy who mostly appeals to 10 year old girls. Timberlake for example waited until those little 10-11 year old girls who loved him in 1998 were a bit older and ready for something more mature and plus he was able to distance himself from NSYNC... if you see a lot of adult straight men, they'll say NSYNC sucked but solo Justin was good. Bieber has been on his own the whole time, so he isn't able to do the Timberlake/George Michael thing and overcome a teen heartthrob past and essentially start fresh solo.

by **Timmy94** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:35 pm

So can't he turn into a sexy guy just because he looks like a kid? I mean there must be a way if he really wants to escape from the "little sweet teen idol"-image...

by **truthless** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:38 pm

Timmy94 wrote:So can't he turn into a sexy guy just because he looks like a kid? I mean there must be a way if he really wants to escape from the "little sweet teen idol"...

No. He looks like a little lesbian girl.

by **Tansike** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:54 pm

^

Well, he's already way sexier than a year ago

I think he will sell 'only' 400k, but won't fall that hard.

by **Wayne** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:57 pm

I think Bieber is absolutely gorgeous.

But that's just my opinion; his numbers are darn impressive. And if you don't agree then you had ridiculous expectations to begin with.

by **NothingFails** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:28 pm

Yes, it is hard to be a sex symbol when you look prepubescent. Even with shorter hair, Bieber still looks like a teen lesbian. He just seems to give off a very sexually neutered look.

Bieber needs to radically change his image, something besides shorter hair. Timberlake and George Michael are the two most obvious cases I can think of of guys who went from disdained teen boyband heartthrobs that little girls got wet for to credible artists in short time, and they both radically changed their looks to differentiate themselves from NSYNC and Wham. Bieber is going to have to completely sever himself from Baby and Never Say Never if he wishes to be taken seriously by more than those who loved him in 2010.

by **stevyy** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:30 pm

i can't get his previous haircut out of my memory. He remains unsexy in my world.02.

400k for his new album is a mighty huge projection.

by **NothingFails** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:38 pm

stevyy wrote:i can't get his previous haircut out of my memory. He remains unsexy in my world.02.

400k for his new album is a mighty huge projection.

Same here. I have rethought my opinions about guys I thought were too young/emo at one point (Zac Efron and Joe Jonas) but yet I still don't find anything sexy about The Biebs yet.

I guess 400k is a mixed blessing. I think people expected more because Gaga opened with a million, and Bieber is supposedly the male superstar equivalent to her, and even Coldplay's latest opened higher than that without appealing to an eager population of screaming teens who must have the album the moment it comes out.

by **Serby** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 11:53 pm

NothingFails wrote:Yes, it is hard to be a sex symbol when you look prepubescent......

Sorry, but your oppinion on this one doesn't count. You're one of the biggest haters of Bieber I know :lol:

p.s. I'm not even defending him

by **NothingFails** » Sun Jun 24, 2012 12:49 am

serbia95riri wrote:
NothingFails wrote:Yes, it is hard to be a sex symbol when you look prepubescent......
Sorry, but your oppinion on this one doesn't count. You're one of the biggest haters of Bieber I know

p.s. I'm not even defending him

I used to hate Jonas Brothers too then Joe grew up and changed his look into a more masculine and adult image and now I think he's sexy, I thought Justin Timberlake was hideous when N'Sync came out then he made himself over and I thought he was gorgeous. So please, don't go there.

So seriously, spare me the "you just hate Bieber" thing. If Bieber makes himself over to something more masculine and mature and looks good, I'll be the first to admit he's attractive. But as of now, he looks like a prepubescent Rachel Maddow.

by **NothingFails** » Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:00 am

btw thinking a guy is good looking doesn't mean you have to like the music. Case in point: Joe Jonas, Drake, Mike Posner, Chris Daughtry, Isaac Slade of The Fray, etc... So I don't think disliking ones music makes you immune to having an opinion on their looks.

by **GetBack** » Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:04 am

NothingFails wrote:
serbia95riri wrote:
NothingFails wrote:Yes, it is hard to be a sex symbol when you look prepubescent......
Sorry, but your oppinion on this one doesn't count. You're one of the biggest haters of Bieber I know

p.s. I'm not even defending him
I used to hate Jonas Brothers too then Joe grew up and changed his look into a more masculine and adult image and now I think he's sexy, I thought Justin Timberlake was hideous when N'Sync came out then he made himself over and I thought he was gorgeous. So please, don't go there.

So seriously, spare me the "you just hate Bieber" thing. If Bieber makes himself over to something more masculine and mature and looks good, I'll be the first to admit he's attractive.

I agree! I mean, Justin Bieber sadly didn't pull it off as well as the other squeaky-clean boys who grew up. It's just way too early for him, and thus we got a moderate to relatively-weak reception to his supposed maturity, and let's not get started with the annoying facial expressions he does these days like in the single cover of "Boyfriend"...

Just compare his new "look"

to these transformations....

by **NothingFails** » Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:09 am

exactly, all three of those guys were once in Bieber's shoes as teen mag pin-ups who had an unthreatening image too and they got older and transformed into sexy looking men. If Bieber could pull the same I would b the first to admit he looks good, but IMO he still looks like he did in 2010, he just has shorter hair IMO.

by **cooldeepak** » Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:32 am

this is not who has sexy hair and sexy chest thread
this is chart analysis thread

by **starshine90** » Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:50 am

HDD wrote:Maroon 5 and Linkin Park have something in common. The two bands have big-money/high-pressure albums hitting next Tuesday (6/26), and the latest projections have both at around 200k—meaning they’ll likely be in a battle for #1 not just with each other but also with Justin Bieber’s Believe, which will then be in its second week.

by **JSparksFan** » Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:53 am

^ Sounds like it'll be an exciting showdown next week!

by **Griego** » Sun Jun 24, 2012 6:49 am

NothingFails wrote:Yes, it is hard to be a sex symbol when you look prepubescent. Even with shorter hair, Bieber still looks like a teen lesbian.

I can't. Dead @ that comparison. :lol:

by **Timmy94** » Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:07 am

starshine90 wrote:
HDD wrote:Maroon 5 and Linkin Park have something in common. The two bands have big-money/high-pressure albums hitting next Tuesday (6/26), and the latest projections have both at around 200k—meaning they’ll likely be in a battle for #1 not just with each other but also with Justin Bieber’s Believe, which will then be in its second week.

That's good for Linkin Park... Maroon 5 was clear to sell around that number because Moves Like Jagger hugely pushed their population and they also have a successful lead single. Compared to this, Linkin Park have been dropping from album to album since Meteora so I thought they could only sell 150k at best... I'm curious what they make out of this!

And if Justin Bieber is going to sell around 200k, his 2nd week drop could be relatively mild, which is neat. The last album to sell 200k+ in its second week was Lil Wayne's Tha Carter IV in September 2011 (that is already 9 months ago

).

by **floria** » Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:19 pm

Timmy94 wrote:
starshine90 wrote:
HDD wrote:Maroon 5 and Linkin Park have something in common. The two bands have big-money/high-pressure albums hitting next Tuesday (6/26), and the latest projections have both at around 200k—meaning they’ll likely be in a battle for #1 not just with each other but also with Justin Bieber’s Believe, which will then be in its second week.
That's good for Linkin Park... Maroon 5 was clear to sell around that number because Moves Like Jagger hugely pushed their population and they also have a successful lead single. Compared to this, Linkin Park have been dropping from album to album since Meteora so I thought they could only sell 150k at best... I'm curious what they make out of this!

And if Justin Bieber is going to sell around 200k, his 2nd week drop could be relatively mild, which is neat. The last album to sell 200k+ in its second week was Lil Wayne's Tha Carter IV in September 2011 (that is already 9 months ago ).

My expectations for Justin.

1 week 400K_=_
2 week 240K_-_40%

by **NothingFails** » Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:38 pm

Maroon 5 and Linkin Park have both lost a lot of their original album audience though. Maroon 5 have become a soccer mom band and that's turned off a lot of those who bought Songs About Jane, and Linkin Park's last album was a bit of a flop for their standards and while their new song is doing well on rock radio, I don't think the comparisons to Coldplay are exactly going to help it sell to the frat audience who ate their earlier work up.

by **Nackar** » Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:46 pm

^ As long as the soccer moms buy the album, I don't see a problem. They'll likely never do It Won't Be Soon Before Long's numbers again, let alone Songs About Jane's, but if they can keep churning out Platinum-albums that'll be great already.

by **Pufnstuf** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:00 pm

Maroon 5 have become a soccer mom band and that's turned off a lot of those who bought Songs About Jane

Haven't they always been a soccer mom band?

last.fm/hugom2c · by **hugo** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:01 pm

HART DATE: 06/25/2012
LAST UPDATE: 06/25/2012 11:32:18
NOW IN: 32.74%

LW TW artist / album label power index
-- 1 JUSTIN BIEBER ISLAND/IDJ 93,869
BELIEVE
-- 2 KENNY CHESNEY BLUE CHAIR/COLUMBIA NASH 49,162
WELCOME TO THE FISHBOWL
8 3 ROCK OF AGES WATERTOWER MUSIC 35,749
SOUNDTRACK
1 4 USHER RCA 16,674
LOOKING 4 MYSELF
-- 5 FIONA APPLE EPIC 15,145
IDLER WHEEL IS WISER THAN THE
3 6 ADELE XL/COLUMBIA 12,499
21
-- 7 SMASHING PUMPKINS MARTHA'S MUSIC/ELS 12,260
OCEANIA
7 8 ONE DIRECTION SYCO/COLUMBIA 9,893
UP ALL NIGHT
2 9 RUSH ROADRUNNER 8,598
CLOCKWORK ANGELS
10 10 ALAN JACKSON CAPITOL NASHVILLE/EMI 5,498
THIRTY MILES WEST
11 11 LUKE BRYAN CAPITOL NASHVILLE/EMI 4,854
TAILGATES & TANLINES
9 12 WAKA FLOCKA FLAME WARNER BROS. 4,747
TRIPLE F LIFE
15 13 CARRIE UNDERWOOD 19/ARISTA NASHVILLE 4,310
BLOWN AWAY
5 14 JOSH TURNER MCA NASHVILLE 4,272
PUNCHING BAG
12 15 JOHN MAYER COLUMBIA 3,983
BORN AND RAISED
18 16 NOW THAT'S WHAT I CALL MUSIC 42 CAPITOL/EMI 3,798
VARIOUS ARTISTS
31 17 NICKI MINAJ YM/CM/REPUBLIC 3,741
PINK FRIDAY... ROMAN RELOADED
23 18 GOTYE FAIRFAX/REPUBLIC 3,498
MAKING MIRRORS
17 19 BEACH BOYS CAPITOL/EMI 3,370
THAT'S WHY GOD MADE THE RADIO
19 20 ERIC CHURCH CAPITOL NASHVILLE/EMI 3,364
CHIEF
-- 21 DIRTY HEADS FIVE SEVEN 3,286
CABIN BY THE SEA
39 22 KATY PERRY CAPITOL/EMI 3,129
TEENAGE DREAM
13 23 LIONEL RICHIE MERCURY NASHVILLE 3,012
TUSKEGEE
32 24 LET IT SHINE WALT DISNEY 2,990
SOUNDTRACK
33 25 ADELE XL/COLUMBIA 2,701
19
49 26 RIHANNA DEF JAM/IDJ 2,399
TALK THAT TALK
22 27 FUN. FUELED BY RAMEN 2,227
SOME NIGHTS
45 28 BLACK KEYS NONESUCH 2,109
EL CAMINO
-- 29 DRAKE YM/CM/REPUBLIC 2,087
TAKE CARE
30 30 BIG K.R.I.T. DEF JAM/IDJ 2,042
LIVE FROM THE UNDERGROUND
14 31 NOW COUNTRY 5 UME 2,036
VARIOUS ARTISTS
21 32 NORAH JONES BLUE NOTE/EMI 1,974
LITTLE BROKEN HEARTS
28 33 JASON ALDEAN BROKEN BOW 1,954
MY KINDA PARTY
24 34 JIMMY FALLON WARNER BROS. 1,873
BLOW YOUR PANTS OFF
43 35 VICTORIOUS CAST NICKELODEON/COLUMBIA 1,869
V2: MORE MUSIC FROM THE HIT TV
16 36 GRACE POTTER & THE NOCTURNALS HOLLYWOOD 1,843
THE LION THE BEAST THE BEAT
4 37 ED SHEERAN NEW ELEKTRA 1,767
+
29 38 TRAIN COLUMBIA 1,738
CALIFORNIA 37
44 39 RASCAL FLATTS BIG MACHINE 1,683
CHANGED
25 40 METRIC MOM + POP 1,659
SYNTHETICA
36 41 JACK WHITE THIRD MAN/COLUMBIA 1,551
BLUNDERBUSS
35 42 JASON MRAZ ATLANTIC 1,549
LOVE IS A FOUR LETTER WORD
-- 43 CURREN$Y WARNER BROS. 1,499
STONED IMMACULATE
37 44 JOE WALSH FANTASY 1,481
ANALOG MAN
-- 45 WHITECHAPEL METAL BLADE 1,370
WHITECHAPEL
-- 46 BLACK KEYS NONESUCH 1,302
BROTHERS
41 47 MUMFORD & SONS GLASSNOTE 1,232
SIGH NO MORE
-- 48 COLDPLAY CAPITOL/EMI 1,229
MYLO XYLOTO
47 49 KIP MOORE MCA NASHVILLE 1,210
UP ALL NIGHT
-- 50 WALK THE MOON RCA 1,149
WALK THE MOON

by **thebigham** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:54 pm

ONE year ago:

http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/sales/archcht.cgi?cht453

CHART DATE: 06/27/2011

-- 1 JILL SCOTT BLUES BABE/WARNER BROS. 136,710 --
LIGHT OF THE SUN
-- 2 BON IVER JAGJAGUWAR 104,687 --
BON IVER
3 3 ADELE XL/COLUMBIA 102,215 -10%
21
2 4 JACKIE EVANCHO COLUMBIA 73,150 -54%
DREAM WITH ME
-- 5 JUSTIN MOORE VALORY 65,050 --
OUTLAWS LIKE ME
1 6 BAD MEETS EVIL SHADY/INTERSCOPE 59,029 -65%
HELL: THE SEQUEL
-- 7 PITBULL J RECORDS/RMG 53,870 --
PLANET PIT
4 8 LADY GAGA INTERSCOPE 49,333 -28%
BORN THIS WAY
-- 9 WEIRD AL YANKOVIC VOLCANO/JLG 44,001 --
ALPOCALYPSE
5 10 JASON ALDEAN BROKEN BOW 39,000 -24%
MY KINDA PARTY