Analysis US Charts 02-10-2004

[Fedepeti]

How can album like AC/DC back in Back be certified 2X Diamond (20 M ) although it's only 200th on the alltime album chart ??

One reason is that the album spent more weeks on the Top Pop Catalog chart that on the Billboard 200. Back In Black's "oficial" weeks on chart (the Billboard 200) were 131 and after 1991 the album was send to the new Pop Catalog chart, that's the reason why the album didn't get more points and weeks for a best position on the all time chart.
Another good example is Aerosmith's Greatest Hits: 40 weeks on the Billboard 200 and only peaked at #53, but the album reached #1 on the Pop Catalog and I'm sure that spent no less than others 100 weeks on the Soundscan 200.
It's all about the Billboard rules and I'm glad that Hanboo is posting the Comprehensive Albums Chart, the real Top 200 selling albums and the real chart pre-1991. Sad that this chart started on December 2003 and not in 1991.

[john2000]

thanks for the answer

[AutomaticBR]

Hey Hanboo, thanks for the sales, I love when you put them =)

Well, I would like to know if you can tell me the sales for some albums that left the chart this week,... since you had the sales last week, maybe you know the totals until they leave the charts, understead???

So, what I wanted was the totals until last week for this albums:

Boyz II Men - Throwback
Nina Sky - Nina Sky
Britney Spears - In the zone
Elvis Presley - 30 #1 Hits (Funny that "2nd to none" didn't had even the half of the succes as this one)
The Cure - ??? (forget the title lol)

Also, as you know EVERYTHING about Billboard, can you tell me if there's some rule or something for when the albums leave the Top 200 and go to Top Pop Catalog? Cuz sometimes, I see albums that leave the Top 200 around #180 #190... and sometimes, there are some great albums (Like "Come on over" and "Baby one more time") that fell off the chart yet inside the Top 100! There's no way that in one week, those albums could fall more than 100 positions, so I wonder if there's a rule for the albums to change the charts =)

[Fedepeti]

Also, as you know EVERYTHING about Billboard, can you tell me if there's some rule or something for when the albums leave the Top 200 and go to Top Pop Catalog? Cuz sometimes, I see albums that leave the Top 200 around #180 #190... and sometimes, there are some great albums (Like "Come on over" and "Baby one more time") that fell off the chart yet inside the Top 100! There's no way that in one week, those albums could fall more than 100 positions, so I wonder if there's a rule for the albums to change the charts =)

I can help here

This is the Billboard explanation for Catalog albums:
"Catalog albums are 2-year-old titles that have fallen below No. 100 on The Billboard 200 or reissues of older albums."

It's more easy with examples:


EXAMPLE 1:
THE REVOLUTION STARTS NOW (by Steve Earle)
Date: 11/09/2004 - Run: *91*-130-200 (3 wks)

A normal chart run. If this album returns at the chart with a re-entry between the 101-200 positions the week ending Sep. 9, 2006, this will be his "official chart run" on the Billboard 200:

Date: 11/09/2004 - Run: *91*-130-200 (3 wks)
Re #01: 09/09/2006 101 (1 wk)
Total # of weeks: 4-3c

That's because that date (Sep. 9, 2004) is the week 104 (2 years) after the original debut date.
Now:
- If the next week (Sep. 16, 2004) the album is #118 for example will be moved to the Pop Catalog Chart (look the Billboard explanation) and never again will chart on the Billboard 200 and this will be his last chart run.

Date: 11/09/2004 - Run: *91*-130-200 (3 wks)
Re #01: 09/09/2006 101 (1 wk)
Total # of weeks: 4-3c

- If the next week (Sep. 16, 2004) the album is #99 for example the album will remain on the Billboard 200 for that rule and if the album remains up to #100 can chart on the Billboard 200 for weeks:

Chart run posible 1 (many weeks):
Date: 11/09/2004 - Run: *91*-130-200 (3 wks)
Re #01: 09/09/2006 101-99-92-88-75-77-75-76-82-99 (10 wks)
Total # of weeks: 13-10c

Chart run posible 2 (only other week):
Date: 11/09/2004 - Run: *91*-130-200 (3 wks)
Re #01: 09/09/2006 101-99 (2 wks)
Total # of weeks: 5-3c


EXAMPLE 2:

1 (by The Beatles)
Date: 02/12/2000 - Run: *1*-2-2-1-1- (5 wsf)
06/01/2001: 1-1-1-1-1-4-4-2-2-3-6-7-12-13-26-26-23-33-35-38-24-36-51-49-60-43-70-80-75-87-86-85-91-93-105-109-128-108-124-137-
138-131-136-143-132-149-138-141-146-73-57-58- (57 wsf)

05/01/2002: 63-73-68-94-107-107-120-110-102-120-136-144-153-148-154-140-146-140-132-131-120-149-156-125-143-121-143-149-
125-146-149-142-113-134-102-98-112-114-110-126-110-112-111-105-120-131-156 (104/17/8 wks)

The album spent 104 weeks on chart (2 years), is charting bellow No. 100 and is removed to the Top Pop Catalog chart.


EXAMPLE 3:

... BABY ONE MORE TIME (by Britney Spears)
Date: 30/01/1999 - Run: *1*-3-2-1-1-1-5-4-3-3-1-1-3-3-5-5-6-6-3-3-4-4-6-7-6-4-4-4-7-5-3-5-6-6-6-8-10-7-7-5-5-5-7-7-8-6-3-4- (48 wsf)

01/01/2000: 3-6-16-13-13-13-17-15-17-20-17-26-29-30-36-44-45-40-32-55-61-52-53-64-64-54-64-66-68-66-73-62-57-60-64-88-75-77-81-
93-102-118-144-148-138-149-140-121-112-98-85-87-88- (101 wsf)

06/01/2001: 98-143 (103/50/6 wks)
Total # of weeks: 103 (Top 10: 50, Top 20: 59 Top 40: 65, #1: 6)

On this case I don't know why dropped one week before, because the debut date on the Pop Catalog chart was January 20, 2001, for me the week 104.


EXAMPLE 4:

COME AWAY WITH ME (by Norah Jones)
Date: 16/03/2002 - Run: 139-92-62-58-72-51-42-37-46-37-17-35-26-19-22-26-26-22-20-21-15-17-16-15-13- 10-11-6-7-8-11-
13-12-11-13-18-21-23-20-26-17-15-11-7-2-*1*-1-1-2-4-3-3-1-2-2-2-5-5-9-8-6-5-2-6-7-5-11-10-7-9-9-8-9-13-10-7-9-12-14-13-
17-23-30-27-29-31-36-34-32-35-35-46-41-42-30-30-34-27-27-24-25-27-18-23-26-32-28-33-39-44-51-43-44-44-36-49-54-65-
64-69-60-64-78-77-85-77-68-61-55-55-68-64-72-58 (134/36-32c/4 wks)
Total # of weeks: 134 (Top 10: 36-32c, Top 20: 62 Top 40: 99, #1: 4)

The album is more than 2 years old but you can see it: it's charting still between positions 1-100.
"Catalog albums are 2-year-old titles that have fallen below No. 100 on The Billboard 200..."
Not still...

I expect that you can understand my explanation.

[Hanboo]

Hey Hanboo, thanks for the sales, I love when you put them =)

Well, I would like to know if you can tell me the sales for some albums that left the chart this week,... since you had the sales last week, maybe you know the totals until they leave the charts, understead???

So, what I wanted was the totals until last week for this albums:

Boyz II Men - Throwback
Nina Sky - Nina Sky
Britney Spears - In the zone
Elvis Presley - 30 #1 Hits (Funny that "2nd to none" didn't had even the half of the succes as this one)
The Cure - ??? (forget the title lol)

Boyz II Men - Throwback: 38,556 copies
Nina Sky - Nina Sky: 142,203
Britney Spears - In the zone: 2,832,852
Elvis Presley - 30 #1 Hits: 3,400,123
The Cure - ???: 255,129

[Hanboo]

EXAMPLE 3:

... BABY ONE MORE TIME (by Britney Spears)
Date: 30/01/1999 - Run: *1*-3-2-1-1-1-5-4-3-3-1-1-3-3-5-5-6-6-3-3-4-4-6-7-6-4-4-4-7-5-3-5-6-6-6-8-10-7-7-5-5-5-7-7-8-6-3-4- (48 wsf)

01/01/2000: 3-6-16-13-13-13-17-15-17-20-17-26-29-30-36-44-45-40-32-55-61-52-53-64-64-54-64-66-68-66-73-62-57-60-64-88-75-77-81-
93-102-118-144-148-138-149-140-121-112-98-85-87-88- (101 wsf)

06/01/2001: 98-143 (103/50/6 wks)
Total # of weeks: 103 (Top 10: 50, Top 20: 59 Top 40: 65, #1: 6)

On this case I don't know why dropped one week before, because the debut date on the Pop Catalog chart was January 20, 2001, for me the week 104.

The album release date matters, not the chart debut date. If, for example, an album enters the charts exactly one year after its release, it will be moved to the catalog chart exactly after one year on the chart (or 2 years after its release date) and if its postion is between #101-200.

[Julius]

Analysis of: * US ALBUM CHART OF 02/10/2004 * (part 4)

Dropouts of 25/09/2004

182. THE CURE (by The Cure)
Date: 17/07/2004 - Run:  *7*-23-40-55-76-97-112-112-144-149-182 (11/1 wks) UK:#8/5/1

Hanboo, let me revise this chart run.

168. THE CURE (by The Cure)
Date: 17/07/2004 - Run: *7*-23-39-53-73-94-106-106-138-143-168 (11/1 wks) UK:#8/5/1

[matthew_dixon]

Okay - so can I just clarify here.

Is it that an album is on the Pop Catalog chart if it's sales would normally put it outside the top 100 and it's over 2 years since release.

OR: Is it that as soon as it passes that date and is no longer top 100, it will remain only on the pop catalog chart - regardless of if it suddenly does an "ABBA: Gold" UK style run and becomes one of the best selling albums of it's year.

[cp21]

thanks again matthew nixon
always there for all!!
What would be this forum without you?

cp21, amazed

[Amir]

cp21, amazed

Huh?!?! I is not always understanding much of the stuffs you wrotes, but why doing that?

thanks again matthew nixon

But never mind all that, why do you keep purposely miss-spelling Matthew's name? Or do I have to chase you with a big stick?

Amir.

[cp21]

amir: not kind

i'm frenchspeaking

not esay to make me understand

so don't laugh at me

ok? it's matthew dixan, typo error

thanks and kind regards

cp21, deceived from some members.

[jszmiles]

Maybe I'm stupid but some time ago HAnboo told me about it and now I forgot it

Anyway... Main question: Norah is out from Top 100 - is she still in top 200 or out from it (Official Billobard Chart). And if she has been still there, can she re-enter in top 100... UFFF...

[jszmiles]

cp21, amazed

Huh?!?! I is not always understanding much of the stuffs you wrotes, but why doing that?

thanks again matthew nixon

But never mind all that, why do you keep purposely miss-spelling Matthew's name? Or do I have to chase you with a big stick?

Amir.

Hey, that wasn't nice

[Robbie]

Analysis of: * US ALBUM CHART OF 02/10/2004 * (part 4)

Dropouts of 25/09/2004

182. THE CURE (by The Cure)
Date: 17/07/2004 - Run: *7*-23-40-55-76-97-112-112-144-149-182 (11/1 wks) UK:#8/5/1

Hanboo, let me revise this chart run.

168. THE CURE (by The Cure)
Date: 17/07/2004 - Run: *7*-23-39-53-73-94-106-106-138-143-168 (11/1 wks) UK:#8/5/1

The difference perhaps stems from the fact that Hanboo uses a different chart to the Top 200 Albums chart. The chart he uses is the Top 200 Comprehensive Albums chart, also a Billboard chart but it includes albums which are classed as "Catalog" titles and therefore are removed from the "official" chart and which appear on the seperate Catalog chart.

In effect, Hanboo uses a chart which is similar to the UK album chart (no restrictions on old titles appearing) and which is the same as the Billboard Top 200 of old, before the chart was stripped of older titles.

[Robbie]

Okay - so can I just clarify here.

Is it that an album is on the Pop Catalog chart if it's sales would normally put it outside the top 100 and it's over 2 years since release.

OR: Is it that as soon as it passes that date and is no longer top 100, it will remain only on the pop catalog chart - regardless of if it suddenly does an "ABBA: Gold" UK style run and becomes one of the best selling albums of it's year.

It's more the latter. Once the two year point is reached, as soon as an album ranks below #100 it is removed from qualifying for the main chart and can only qualify for the Catalog chart in future, regardless of sales. That means it may be removed from the main chart immediately (if below the Top 100 at that point), or if it is completely off the chart, only qualify to enter the catalog chart, or if it is still in the Top 100 it will remain on the main chart until it falls from the Top 100.

The chart rules in the US mean that there will never be a "Abba Gold" style album that can keep coming back to the main chart, even if it sold massive amounts. In addition, albums that never charted, or which had a brief, but unsuccessful, chart run, and which are over two years old are disqualified from the main chart too. One example is "Songbird" by Eva Cassidy, which could only chart on the Catalog chart as it was an old album, despite it being a new album to most people. I believe its sales were sufficient to have placed it in the top 10 of the main chart at one point.

Apparently the record company can ask BB to waive the two year rule if an album is still being actively promoted, but this is discretionary and doesn't apply to re-issues etc of old albums.