All Time Best Selling Album Worldwide Chart

by **johnnyboy** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 6:07 pm

brunosilva wrote:
MJDangerous wrote:
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Dangerous didn't sold 30 million copies.

These are your numbers:

USA : 8.000.000
Canada : 800.000
Brésil : 500.000
Mexique : 400.000
Argentine : 200.000
(9.900.000)

Japon : 900.000
Chine : 450.000
Corée Du Sud : 800.000
Singapour : 200.000
(2.350.000)

Australie : 630.000
Nouvelle-Zélande : 85.000
(715.000)

Europe : 11.980.000
- UK : 2.350.000
- France : 2.500.000
- Allemagne : 2.350.000
- Espagne : 650.000
- Italie : 810.000
- Pays-Bas : 375.000
- Suède : 400.000
- Finlande : 61.500
- Autriche : 215.000
- Suisse : 270.000
- Danemark : 165.000
- Norvège : 150.000+
- Turquie : 400.000
- Israel : 100.000
(10.796.500)

total: 23.761.500 (25 countries)

Considering your number - 11.980.000 - for Europe the total is less than 25 million copies.

Where it sold 5 million copies ?

North America 9m
Latin America 1.5m
Asia 4m
Oceania 0.7m
Europe/Med 13m (inc Turkey/Israel)

total 28.2m

Then there's Africa,the Middle East etc. 30m may seem plausible on MJ Dangerous's estimates

However, how reliable are some of the figures eg China, Turkey, South Korea? Generally, it's not easy to come by sales figures for these countries.Are the French figures a little high? Don't forget this album wouldn't have great catalogue sales.

by **HUR** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 6:13 pm

nelson wrote:
HUR wrote: In UK too, it shipped platinum initially and ended selling much more (actually by early december, it had reached four times platinum). Don´t you know what happened in late november 1991?. That´s the reason why I assume it picked a lot of sales after that.
You can't based on UK to guess sales in HK. MIH was already 6x in Italy while only G or P in HK. Or you should put every country with 6x like Italy?

I talk about UK just to give an example and explain how an album may ship a certain amount of copies upon release and pick up much stronger sales after that. I´m not saying that both markets are similar or anything like that.

And yes, the fact that it was certified 6 times platinum in Italy doesn´t mean anything about other countries (as the album was particlularly strong over there), but Freddie Mercury´s death hugely increased the sales of that album (because it had been released one month earlier) in most markets. That´s the reason why I expect its sales from that country to be stronger.

Just as a reminder, I didn´t say it sold over 100k, just claimed that I expect it to be between 50k and 100k by now. Obviously, I could be wrong. I´m guessing, but at least admit that guessing is what you are also doing. We haven´t provided an updated figure for it.

by **MJDangerous** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 7:24 pm

johnnyboy wrote:However, how reliable are some of the figures eg China, Turkey, South Korea? Generally, it's not easy to come by sales figures for these countries.Are the French figures a little high? Don't forget this album wouldn't have great catalogue sales.

Well, both figures from Turkey and Korea are from neutral sources. None figure have been revealed in China, what we know is that Bad sold (shipped) 250K "in a few weeks" of release, and that Dangerous ended "selling more" than Bad. Those affirmations were printed into a Jackson fan (his Chinese site), but the figure was according to them from the guy who check sales in Asia, the same guy interviewed by Billboard and said to them that "none foreign album sold half a million" in China, "even blockbusters of Michael Jackson" (that was until Titanic sold a million). I guessed that both (Dangerous & Bad) were probably close to that mark without reaching it (even if it was 10 years ago now). That's why I have put figures at 450k, it looks to me like the best corralation of the info we have.

In France, we know that :
- It shipped 400k when release and was at #2 all month of December 91 (behind french superstar Bruel)
- In 92, it climbed to #1 were it stayed for 11 weeks.
- It was always top 5 during the Christmas sales of 92.
- It never dropped from the top 10 during the full year of 92 (still the only album in history to achieve a full calendar year in the top 10).
- It stayed in the top 3/top 5 until March 93 and registered 73 weeks in the top 10, the all time record since the beginning of French official album chart.

It went diamond during the year of 92, we haven't a precise date of it. At least in charts, it performed as well as "Alors Regarde" which sold 3 million copies here.

by **johnnyboy** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 8:37 am

Thankyou for your reply, MJ Dangerous. But what are the 'neutral' sources from Turkey and South Korea?

The figure for China is as you say your guess based on what is really hearsay. Would you be so willing to believe sales of another artist or album on such a basis? Lots of claims are made even in Billboard that don't stand up.

You are on better ground with the French sales. certainly its chart performance is very impressive. But does that necessarily mean sales of over two and a quarter million?

Incidently, how has Abba Gold done in France. It was certified as a million seller way back in 1994. It is a strong catalogue seller. I know you have estimated sales of 1.4m ( well before the film Mamma Mia was released).

by **johnnyboy** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 8:49 am

I have a formula for estimating world sales based on the 'G8' of the music world - US, Canada, Uk, France, Germany, Australia, Brazil and Japan. Here how it works.

North America - obviously simply add US + Canada

W Europe - France + Germany X2 + UK (this avoids bias for British artists who do disproprtinately better in the Uk than elsewhere in Europe). Sales in Germany are roughly equal to other 'Germanic' countries eg in Scandinavia, Holland, Austria, Switzerland. Sales in France roughly equal to sales in the other 'Latin' countries combined eg Spain, Portugal, Italy. Belguim is a bit of both!

FAR EAST
Japan x3 for sales in 'Oriental' Asia.

AUSTRALIA

LATIN AMERICA
Brazil x3 for Latin American sales

Multiply by 1.1 for the rest of the world.

Example: Queen's Greatest Hits

North America - 11.5m
W Europe - 10.5m
Asia - 1.8m
Aussie -1.2m
Latin A -1m
26m

Then x by 1.1 for the rest of the world eg Eastern Europe, Middle East, Africa.

Total 28.6m. Not bad, eh?

If you are compiling a CHART then you have to compare like with like and this does that. It's a good enough system for me!

by **adriano** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 8:52 am

TigerTiger wrote:NEW IMPORTANT UPDATE:
Below you will find the first (tentatively) official ALL TIME BEST SELLING ALBUM WORLDWIDE CHART, who collect all the albums who have climbed the 15 millions copies sold level. This chart is NOT DEFINITIVE (obviously future album will come in, but even past albums have to be added or corrected yet). Now i want to extend this chart to the albums who reached at least the 10 millions copies sold level and YOU could help me fill the holes with suggestions, additions and corrections. All you have to do is follow TWO simple rules

1) Any addition or correction must come DIRECTLY from official site of an ARTIST, a LABEL or an ORGANIZATION (like RIAA or IFPI associates) IN THIS ORDER. In case of challenging figures, in fact, i will first consider ARTIST FIGURES (that i have to recognize as the most reliable figures), then LABEL and at last ORGANIZATIONS.
P.s. If you wants to know WHY i've made this choice read this topic made by EDU.

2)Post a reply to this post with your addition/correction ALONGSIDE a linkable URL of the site with the official infos, and then i will add your suggestion in the official chart. (As you can notice latest addiction and updated figures reported a linkable URL where you can find the infos supplied)

That's all folks!

If you are interested, here's
THE STORY SO FAR...

In the past months i've searched the web (official site of majors, artists, fans and organizations) trying to put together a nearly impossible ALL TIME BEST SELLING ALBUM WORLDWIDE CHART

This is the first result but, as you can easily imagine, is all but DEFINITIVE (and barely OFFICIAL).

Everywone can add any suggestions/corrections/additions (as OFFICIAL as possible ...)

One year ago i've received a list posted by RIAA and (supposed) compiled by IFPI (International Federation of the Phonographic Industry)... This list have confirmed most of the figures sales i'd found by myself in the past. So now i've updated these figures as today. (IFPI figures are indicated when available)
BTW it's now confirmed that the figures inside this list are only estimated and not directly compiled by IFPI (as hanboo has explained)
Legenda:
1) (2CD) = double cd but counted as one (and not x2 as RIAA figures)
2) (2LP) = double vinyl album remastered inside one single cd

ALL TIME BEST SELLING ALBUM WORLDWIDE CHART
(15 millions album sold and more)
Last update: January 20, 2005

(Title - Artist - Source)

59 millions
THRILLER - JACKSON, MICHAEL - Official MJJ Source - updated

42 millions
EAGLES/THEIR GREATEST HITS 1971 - 1975 - EAGLES - CNN + IFPI
BACK IN BLACK - AC/DC - Official site + IFPI

40 millions
SATURDAY NIGHT FEVER (BEE GEES) (2LP) - SOUNDTRACK - Polydor site + IFPI

37 millions
BAT OUT OF HELL - MEAT LOAF - Jim Steinman source + IFPI
THE BODYGUARD (HOUSTON, WHITNEY) - SOUNDTRACK - Official Site - updated

35 millions
DARK SIDE OF THE MOON - PINK FLOYD - Official site - updated
COME ON OVER - TWAIN, SHANIA - Official Site + IFPI

32 millions
SGT. PEPPER'S LONELY HEARTS CLUB BAND - BEATLES, THE - MSAW + IFPI
LED ZEPPELIN IV - LED ZEPPELIN Official Site + IFPI
DIRTY DANCING - SOUNDTRACK Official Site + IFPI

30 millions
RUMOURS - FLEETWOOD MAC - Official Site + IFPI
FALLING INTO YOU - DION, CELINE - Sony/Billboard Source - updated
LET'S TALK ABOUT LOVE - DION, CELINE - Sony/Billboard Source - updated
MILLENNIUM - BACKSTREET BOYS - Official Site + IFPI

29 millions
ABBEY ROAD - THE BEATLES - MSAW + IFPI
BAD - JACKSON, MICHAEL - Official MJJ Source - updated
JAGGED LITTLE PILL - MORISSETTE, ALANIS - MSAW + IFPI
TITANIC - SOUNDTRACK - Billboard Source - updated

28 millions
GREASE (2LP) - SOUNDTRACK - Polygram + IFPI
BORN IN THE U.S.A. - SPRINGSTEEN, BRUCE - Official Site + IFPI
DANGEROUS - JACKSON, MICHAEL - Official MJJ Source - updated
1 (ONE) - BEATLES, THE - - Official EMI Press Release - update

27 millions
HOTEL CALIFORNIA - EAGLES Official Site + IFPI
THE JOSHUA TREE - U2 - Official Site

26 millions
BRIDGE OVER TROUBLED WATER - SIMON & GARFUNKEL Official Site + IFPI
BROTHERS IN ARMS - DIRE STRAITS Official Site + IFPI
APPETITE FOR DESTRUCTION - GUNS 'N ROSES - Official Site + IFPI

25 millions
SLIPPERY WHEN WET - BON JOVI - Official Site + IFPI
ABBA GOLD - ABBA - Official Site + IFPI
BACKSTREET BOYS (aka BACKSTREET 's BACK) - BACKSTREET BOYS - Official Site + IFPI
MUSIC BOX - CAREY, MARIAH - Official site - updated
METALLICA - METALLICA - Official Elektra Press Release - updated
...BABY ONE MORE TIME - SPEARS, BRITNEY - Official Site + IFPI

24 millions
THE WALL (2CD) - PINK FLOYD - Official site + IFPI
SPICE - SPICE GIRLS - Official Site + IFPI
SUPERNATURAL - SANTANA - Official Site + updated

23 millions
CAN'T SLOW DOWN - RICHIE, LIONEL - Official Site + IFPI
WHITNEY HOUSTON - HOUSTON, WHITNEY - Official Site - updated

22 millions
SOUND OF MUSIC - SOUNDTRACK Official Site + IFPI
GREATEST HITS - SIMON & GARFUNKEL Official Site + IFPI
TAPESTRY - KING, CAROLE - Official Site - updated
THE IMMACULATE COLLECTION - MADONNA - Official Site - updated

21 millions
THE BEATLES 1967 - 1970 (2CD) - BEATLES, THE - MSAW + IFPI
BOSTON - BOSTON - Official Site +IFPI
GREATEST HITS - JOHN, ELTON - Official Site +IFPI
SPIRITS HAVING FLOWN - BEE GEES - Polydor + IFPI
THE SIGN/HAPPY NATION - ACE OF BASE - Official Site + IFPI

20 millions
THE BEATLES 1962 - 1966 (2CD) - BEATLES, THE - MSAW + IFPI
PURPLE RAIN (SOUNDTRACK) - PRINCE & THE REVOLUTIONS - Official Site + IFPI
PLEASE HAMMER DON'T HURT 'EM - HAMMER - Official Site +IFPI
DAYDREAM - CAREY, MARIAH Official Site - updated
RICKY MARTIN - MARTIN, RICKY - Official Site +IFPI
COME AWAY WITH ME - JONES, NORAH - Official Site

19 millions
THE BEATLES (WHITE ALBUM) (2CD) - BEATLES, THE - MSAW + IFPI
OFF THE WALL - JACKSON, MICHAEL - Official MJJ Source - updated
TRUE BLUE - MADONNA - Official Site - updated
WHITNEY - HOUSTON, WHITNEY - Official Site - updated
OOPS!... I DID IT AGAIN - SPEARS, BRITNEY - Official Site + IFPI

18 millions
BREAKFAST IN AMERICA - SUPERTRAMPS - Official Site + IFPI
LIKE A VIRGIN - MADONNA - W.B. - updated
HYSTERIA - DEF LEPPARD - Official Site + IFPI
THE WOMAN IN ME - TWAIN, SHANIA - Mercury - IFPI
(WHAT'S THE STORY) MORNING GLORY - OASIS - Official Site + IFPI
THE SCORE - FUGEES - IFPI
HISTORY: PAST, PRESENT & FUTURE BOOK I (2CD) - JACKSON, MICHAEL - Official MJJ Source - updated
NEVERMIND - NIRVANA - Amazon.com

17 millions
GREATEST HITS VOLUME I & VOLUME II (2CD) - JOEL, BILLY - Official Site + IFPI
PHYSICAL GRAFFITI (2LP) - LED ZEPPELIN - Official Site + IFPI
FRAMPTON COMES ALIVE (2LP) - FRAMPTON, PETER - Pop Matters + IFPI
NO FENCES - BROOKS, GARTH - IFPI
ACHTUNG BABY - U2 - Official Site
CRACKED REAR VIEW - HOOTIE & THE BLOWFISH - Official Site + IFPI
SPICE WORLD - SPICE GIRLS - Official Site + IFPI
ALL THE WAY... - DION, CELINE - Sony/Billboard Source - update
ROMANZA - BOCELLI, ANDREA - Official Site +IFPI
THE MARSHALL MATHERS LP - EMINEM - Official Site +IFPI
FALLEN - EVANESCENCE - Official Site

16 millions
TUBULAR BELLS - OLDFIELD, MIKE - Official Site +IFPI
LEGEND - MARLEY, BOB & THE WAILERS - Official Site +IFPI
FAITH - MICHAEL, GEORGE - Official Site +IFPI
USE YOUR ILLUSION I - GUNS'N'ROSES - Official Site +IFPI
JANET. - JACKSON, JANET - Official Site +IFPI
ROPIN' THE WIND - BROOKS, GARTH - Official Site
CRISTINA AGUILERA - AGUILERA, CRISTINA - Official site - NEW
BEST OF 1980-1990 - U2 - Official Site
NO STRINGS ATTACHED - 'N SYNC - Official Site +IFPI

15 millions
II - LED ZEPPELIN - Official Site +IFPI
GREATEST HITS - ROGERS, KENNY - Official Site +IFPI
GREATEST HITS VOL.2 - THE EAGLES - Official Site +IFPI
GUILTY - STREISAND, BARBRA - Polydor
GREATEST HITS - QUEEN - Official Site + IFPI
NO JACKET REQUIRED - COLLINS, PHIL Official Site + IFPI
NEW JERSEY - BON JOVI - Official Site
TO THE EXTREME - VANILLA ICE - Official Site + IFPI
CROSS ROADS - BON JOVI - Official Site
COLOUR OF MY LOVE - DION, CELINE - Official Site - Official Site + IFPI
USE YOUR ILLUSION II - GUNS'N'ROSES - Official Site + IFPI
UNPLUGGED - CLAPTON, ERIC - Official Site - updated
WE CAN'T DANCE - GENESIS - Official Site - NEW
THE LION KING - SOUNDTRACK - Official Site + IFPI
MARIAH CAREY - CAREY, MARIAH - Official Site - updated
TRAGIC KINGDOM - NO DOUBT - Official Site + IFPI
BAT OUT OF HELL 2: BACK INTO HELL - MEAT LOAF - Official Site + IFPI
YOURSELF OR SOMEONE LIKE YOU - MATCHBOX 20 - Official Site + IFPI
BLACK & BLUE - BACKSTREET BOYS - Official Site
DOUBLE LIVE (2CD) - BROOKS, GARTH - Official Site
THE MISEDUCATION OF LAURYN HILL - HILL, LAURYN - Official Site + IFPI
THE EMINEM SHOW - EMINEM - Official Site + IFPI
BUSINESS AS USUAL - MEN AT WORK - Official Site
ONES - CAREY, MARIAH - Official site - NEW
CALIFORNICATION - RED HOT CHILI PEPPER - BBC site - NEW
RAY OF LIGHT - MADONNA - Official Site - updated

14 millions
MERRY CHRISTMAS - CAREY, MARIAH - Official Site - updated
LET GO - AVRIL LAVIGNE - Official Site - NEW

13 millions
BUTTERFLY - CAREY, MARIAH - Official Site - updated
MUSIC - MADONNA - Official Site - updated
FALLEN - EVANESCENCE - Official Site - NEW
CONFESSIONS - USHER - Official Site - NEW
NO ANGEL - DIDO - Official Site - NEW

12 millions
I'M YOUR BABY TONIGHT - HOUSTON, WHITNEY - Official Site - NEW

11 millions
LIKE A PRAYER - MADONNA - Official Site - updated
STRIPPED - AGUILERA, CRISTINA - Official site - NEW

10 millions
WAKING UP THE NEIGHBOURS - ADAMS, BRYAN - Official site - NEW
KICK - INXS - Official site
WAITING TO EXHALE - HOUSTON, WHITNEY - Official Site - NEW
MY LOVE IS YOUR LOVE - HOUSTON, WHITNEY - Official Site - NEW
RAINBOW - CAREY, MARIAH - Official Site - NEW
EMOTIONS - CAREY, MARIAH - Official Site - NEW
A RUSH OF BLOOD TO THE HEAD - COLDPLAY - Official EMI Press Release - NEW
LAUNDRY SERVICE - SHAKIRA - Official Site - NEW
FEELS LIKE HOME - JONES, NORAH - Official Site - NEW
MISSUNDAZTOOD - PINK - Official Site - NEW
LIFE FOR RENT - DIDO - Official Site - NEW

Below you can find a list of album that could have insert in the chart above but i've never find RELIABLE worldwide sales figures
(in bold updated official sale figures that not reached the 10 millions level)

DIRTY DEEDS DONE DIRT CHEAP - AC/DC
HIGHWAY TO HELL - AC/DC
RECKLESS - ADAMS, BRYAN - 8 millions - official site
SO FAR SO GOOD - ADAMS, BRYAN
TOYS IN THE ATTIC - AEROSMITH
AEROSMITH'S GREATEST HITS - AEROSMITH
GET A GRIP - AEROSMITH
PUMP - AEROSMITH
LICENSED TO ILL - BEASTIE BOYS
REVOLVER - BEATLES, THE
RUBBER SOUL - BEATLES, THE
MAGICAL MYSTERY TOUR - BEATLES, THE
LET IT BE - BEATLES, THE
THE BEATLES ANTHOLOGY, VOLUME 1 - BEATLES, THE
TIME, LOVE & TENDERNESS - BOLTON, MICHAEL
II - BOYZ II MEN
TONI BRAXTON - BRAXTON, TONI
TIME PIECES/BEST OF ERIC CLAPTON - CLAPTON, ERIC
UNFORGETTABLE WITH LOVE NATALIE COLE - COLE, NATALIE
NO NEED TO ARGUE - CRANBERRIES, THE
TUESDAY NIGHT MUSIC CLUB - CROW, SHERYL
COLOURS BY NUMBERS - CULTURE CLUB
PYROMANIA - DEF LEPPARD
GREATEST HITS - DENVER, JOHN
BEST OF THE DOOBIES - DOOBIE BROTHERS
HIGHWAY 61 REVISED - DYLAN, BOB
BLONDE ON BLONDE - DYLAN, BOB
BLOOD ON THE TRACKS - DYLAN, BOB
BOB DYLAN'S GREATEST HITS - DYLAN, BOB
HELL FREEZES OVER - EAGLES
SHEPHERD MOONS - ENYA
GREATEST HITS - FLEETWOOD MAC
DOUBLE VISION - FOREIGNER
INVISIBLE TOUCH - GENESIS
DOOKIE - GREEN DAY
ALL THINGS MUST PASS - HARRISON, GEORGE
RHYTHM NATION 1814 - JACKSON, JANET
GOODBYE YELLOW BRICK ROAD - JOHN, ELTON
JANIS JOPLIN'S GREATEST HITS - JOPLIN, JANIS
GREATEST HITS - JOURNEY
BREATHLESS - KENNY G
SHE'S SO UNUSUAL - LAUPER, CYNDI
LED ZEPPELIN I - LED ZEPPELIN
HOUSES OF THE HOLY - LED ZEPPELIN
IMAGINE - LENNON, JOHN
MASTER OF PUPPETS - METALLICA
AND JUSTICE FOR ALL - METALLICA
HANGIN' TOUGH - NEW KIDS ON THE BLOCK
IN UTERO - NIRVANA
LIFE AFTER DEATH (2cd) - NOTORIOUS B.I.G.
'N SYNC - 'N SYNC
TEN - PEARL JAM
VS. - PEARL JAM
VITALOGY - PEARL JAM
WISH YOU WERE HERE - PINK FLOYD
SYNCHRONICITY - POLICE, THE
ELVIS' GOLDEN RECORDS, VOLUME 1 - PRESLEY, ELVIS
ELVIS' CHRISTMAS - PRESLEY, ELVIS
BLOOD SUGAR SEX MAGIK - RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS
HOT ROCKS - ROLLING STONES, THE
SOME GIRLS - ROLLING STONES
SANTANA'S GREATEST HITS - SANTANA
HOTSHOT - S.H.A.G.G.Y
GRACELAND - SIMON, PAUL
MELLON COLLIE AND THE INFINITE SADNESS - SMASHING PUMPKINS
SUPERUNKNOWN - SOUNDGARDEN
FLASHDANCE - SOUNDTRACK
FOOTLOOSE - SOUNDTRACK
FORREST GUMP (2cd) - SOUNDTRACK
TOP GUN - SOUNDTRACK
POCKET FULL OF KRYPTONITE - SPIN DOCTORS
BORN TO RUN - SPRINGSTEEN, BRUCE
PURPLE - STONE TEMPLE PILOTS
CORE - STONE TEMPLE PILOTS
MEMORIES - STREISAND, BARBRA
JAMES TAYLOR'S GREATEST HITS - TAYLOR, JAMES
CRAZYSEXYCOOL - TLC
PRIVATE DANCER - TURNER, TINA
1984 (MCMLXXXIV) - VAN HALEN
VAN HALEN - VAN HALEN
MAKE IT BIG - WHAM!
WHITESNAKE - WHITESNAKE

first of all, thank you very much!!!

then i would like to ask how updated is this chart?

i mean, these sales figures are until 2005?

thnks

by **MJDangerous** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:49 am

johnnyboy wrote:(1) Thankyou for your reply, MJ Dangerous. But what are the 'neutral' sources from Turkey and South Korea?

(2) The figure for China is as you say your guess based on what is really hearsay. Would you be so willing to believe sales of another artist or album on such a basis? Lots of claims are made even in Billboard that don't stand up.

(3) You are on better ground with the French sales. certainly its chart performance is very impressive. But does that necessarily mean sales of over two and a quarter million?

(4)Incidently, how has Abba Gold done in France. It was certified as a million seller way back in 1994. It is a strong catalogue seller. I know you have estimated sales of 1.4m ( well before the film Mamma Mia was released).

(1). The source for SK was Popspops who posted the top 5 best selling albums ever in SK according to their official organisations. The figure of Turkey was from an article posted first on a charts website (previously known because it was the first posting all Canadian Diamond albums). It is offline since 1 or 2 years, the article was posted latter on UKmix as well.

(2) Yes I would count it for another artist, especially if figures make sense considering sales of the albums in other Asian countries. Bad/Dangerous are huge all over Asia and those figures are realistic, just like Bodyguard probably sold anywhere from 200k to 500k in China.

(3) Its sales in France could be less just like they could be more. An album like "Ocarina", was released at the same time of Dangerous, hasn't got big debut sales, managed way less weeks at #1 and #2 still managed to get a Diamond award several months before to drop out of the top 10, selling around 1,5 million copies. They are many examples of 91/92 albums going Diamond in France with a run nowhere near to the one of Dangerous (like On Every Street). The estimate isn't in the high side for that one.

(4) Sadly, until IFOP started to publish Compilation charts in 1996, those charts are unknown. Gold, like many other best ofs, were charted in that chart (except some periods when they mixed all, which is why Gold debuted in September 93 in the full chart).

by **Shayonce** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 1:14 pm

(1). The source for SK was Popspops who posted the top 5 best selling albums ever in SK according to their official organisations.

can you show me the official top 5 in sk ? link ?
thanks in advance

by **borderwolf** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 1:22 pm

johnnyboy wrote:I have a formula for estimating world sales based on the 'G8' of the music world - US, Canada, Uk, France, Germany, Australia, Brazil and Japan. Here how it works.

North America - obviously simply add US + Canada

W Europe - France + Germany X2 + UK (this avoids bias for British artists who do disproprtinately better in the Uk than elsewhere in Europe). Sales in Germany are roughly equal to other 'Germanic' countries eg in Scandinavia, Holland, Austria, Switzerland. Sales in France roughly equal to sales in the other 'Latin' countries combined eg Spain, Portugal, Italy. Belguim is a bit of both!

FAR EAST
Japan x3 for sales in 'Oriental' Asia.

AUSTRALIA

LATIN AMERICA
Brazil x3 for Latin American sales

Multiply by 1.1 for the rest of the world.

Example: Queen's Greatest Hits

North America - 11.5m
W Europe - 10.5m
Asia - 1.8m
Aussie -1.2m
Latin A -1m
26m

Then x by 1.1 for the rest of the world eg Eastern Europe, Middle East, Africa.

Total 28.6m. Not bad, eh?

If you are compiling a CHART then you have to compare like with like and this does that. It's a good enough system for me!

At the end, totals are not much different in comparison than MJDangerous formulas

by **boldine** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 1:30 pm

Madonna's sales figure have not been updated for several years now. Those numbers are the same as when long time ago her site was called madonnamusic.com. The most recent numbers that have appeared are 24 Million for True Blue (Warner Music Italy) and 30 Million for TIC. For the rest of the albums there are no updated figures

by **boldine** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 1:52 pm

The UK industry magazine Music Week reported some time agop that sales projections were high for a new Madonna GH albu, given that ''The Immaculate Collection'' sold 30 million worldwide.

by **MJDangerous** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 1:53 pm

boldine wrote:Madonna's sales figure have not been updated for several years now. Those numbers are the same as when long time ago her site was called madonnamusic.com. The most recent numbers that have appeared are 24 Million for True Blue (Warner Music Italy) and 30 Million for TIC. For the rest of the albums there are no updated figures

Source of the 30m figure for TIC ? :lol:

Shayonce Popspops posted that top 5 :

1. Whitney Houston "Bodyguard" 1.1million
2. Mariah Carey "Musicbox" 1million
3. Ace of base "Happy Nation" almost 1millon
4. Michael Jackson "Dangerous" over 800k
5. Mariah Carey "Daydream" over 700k

the link is here.

On it, we have one of the 2 quote of Denekamp (=Sony Music Asia president) about Jackson in China : Sony Music artist Michael Jackson is one Western performer who has previously sold well in the People's Republic, says Denekamp, "although I've never seen an official number above 500,000 units."

by **FadingLight** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 2:25 pm

boldine wrote:The UK industry magazine Music Week reported some time agop that sales projections were high for a new Madonna GH albu, given that ''The Immaculate Collection'' sold 30 million worldwide.

TIC sold 27-28 millions, not 30.

by **HUR** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 2:35 pm

FAR EAST
Japan x3 for sales in 'Oriental' Asia.

AUSTRALIA

LATIN AMERICA
Brazil x3 for Latin American sales

Multiply by 1.1 for the rest of the world.

Example: Queen's Greatest Hits

North America - 11.5m
W Europe - 10.5m
Asia - 1.8m
Aussie -1.2m
Latin A -1m
26m

My estimations for Queen´s "Greatest hits 1" are like this:

USA: 9,800,000
Canada: 1,500,000
Australia: 1,200,000
New Zealand: 190,000+
Europe: 12,700,000
Latin America: 1,700,000 (including roughly 700,000 in Argentina alone)
Japan: 600,000
South Africa: 100,000+

The problem is the rest of Asia, the rest of Africa, Middle East.

Their "Greatest hits 1" sold about 600-700k combining Korea, Honk Kong and Singapore, which represnet altogether as much as a 30% of the total sales in Asia (outside Japan). So maybe in that region around 2,000,000 or more.

In the same way, I assume at least 500,000 for Africa and Middle East.

That gives me 30,200,000+ worldwide. Much more than you, and MJDangerous too.

By the end of 2002, it had officially sold over 25 millions copies worldwide, and has managed to sell well over millions since. So my estimation makes sense based on claims too.

by **Shayonce** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 2:45 pm

Shayonce Popspops posted that top 5 :

1. Whitney Houston "Bodyguard" 1.1million
2. Mariah Carey "Musicbox" 1million
3. Ace of base "Happy Nation" almost 1millon
4. Michael Jackson "Dangerous" over 800k
5. Mariah Carey "Daydream" over 700k

it's not official :-?

I hear that whitney and mariah sold more than 1m
i don't know about ace of base and michael.

1996 korea international album yearend
mariah carey daydream 600k
kenny G The Moment 400k
celine dion Because you loved me 300k
Alanis Morissette Jagged little pill 150k

link
http://www.chosun.com/svc/content_view/ ... 6121170222

by **nelson** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 3:53 pm

Shayonce wrote:
Shayonce Popspops posted that top 5 :

1. Whitney Houston "Bodyguard" 1.1million
2. Mariah Carey "Musicbox" 1million
3. Ace of base "Happy Nation" almost 1millon
4. Michael Jackson "Dangerous" over 800k
5. Mariah Carey "Daydream" over 700k
it's not official
I hear that whitney and mariah sold more than 1m
i don't know about ace of base and michael.

1996 korea international album yearend
mariah carey daydream 600k
kenny G The Moment 400k
celine dion Because you loved me 300k
Alanis Morissette Jagged little pill 150k

link
http://www.chosun.com/svc/content_view/ ... 6121170222

Do you have other years like 97 & 98 & 93 & 94?
Only Top 4? Anymore?
IS there any chart book or year book in national library? Or any year-end figures posted on newspaper or trade magazines?

I read that Hanteo has figures from 94 onwards, can you subscribe to get the figures?

Thanks.

by **MJDangerous** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 4:02 pm

Shayonce wrote:it's not official

He explained the source on the next page of the link.

by **nelson** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 4:08 pm

Shayonce wrote:i don't know about ace of base and michael.

I can confirm Ace Of Base sold 700k (7x Platinum) on their official site.

by **HUR** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 4:10 pm

It would be interesting to note that sales figures provided by Shayonce aren´t in conflict with the ones posted by MJDangerous, so I don´t see the problem really.

by **nelson** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 4:12 pm

Translated...

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by **GUS** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:00 pm

I do not understand :o :-?

by **tvlove** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:27 am

Well, TLC's Crazy Sexy Cool has definately sold 15 million worldwide.

U.S. (RIAA): 11,000,000
Europe: ?
Australia: ?
Japan:?
Africa:?

And Mariah's TEOM shipped 10 million worldwide. According to Island Def Jam.

by **Shayonce** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:04 am

MJDangerous wrote:
Shayonce wrote:it's not official
He explained the source on the next page of the link.

popspops say "every media" not a music official thing.
I'm live in korea. I know what popspops saying

by **Shayonce** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:12 am

nelson wrote:
Shayonce wrote:
Shayonce Popspops posted that top 5 :

1. Whitney Houston "Bodyguard" 1.1million
2. Mariah Carey "Musicbox" 1million
3. Ace of base "Happy Nation" almost 1millon
4. Michael Jackson "Dangerous" over 800k
5. Mariah Carey "Daydream" over 700k
it's not official
I hear that whitney and mariah sold more than 1m
i don't know about ace of base and michael.

1996 korea international album yearend
mariah carey daydream 600k
kenny G The Moment 400k
celine dion Because you loved me 300k
Alanis Morissette Jagged little pill 150k

link
http://www.chosun.com/svc/content_view/ ... 6121170222
Do you have other years like 97 & 98 & 93 & 94?
Only Top 4? Anymore?
IS there any chart book or year book in national library? Or any year-end figures posted on newspaper or trade magazines?

I read that Hanteo has figures from 94 onwards, can you subscribe to get the figures?

Thanks.

No, I don't have another year end.
and actually that's not yearend top4.
(article is about 96 yearend popmusic but only have 4sales)
that article say mariahis no,1 with 600k and kenny g is no,2 with 400k. and celine,alanis selling well.
Toni Braxton album more selling than whitney and whitney is flop
no certification. no official sales before 1999, no chart book

hanteo figure is not free.. I dont wanna pay for estimation

If i find more sales I'll put on here

by **Popspops** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:21 am

Shayonce wrote:
nelson wrote:
Shayonce wrote:
Shayonce Popspops posted that top 5 :

1. Whitney Houston "Bodyguard" 1.1million
2. Mariah Carey "Musicbox" 1million
3. Ace of base "Happy Nation" almost 1millon
4. Michael Jackson "Dangerous" over 800k
5. Mariah Carey "Daydream" over 700k
it's not official
I hear that whitney and mariah sold more than 1m
i don't know about ace of base and michael.

1996 korea international album yearend
mariah carey daydream 600k
kenny G The Moment 400k
celine dion Because you loved me 300k
Alanis Morissette Jagged little pill 150k

link
http://www.chosun.com/svc/content_view/ ... 6121170222
Do you have other years like 97 & 98 & 93 & 94?
Only Top 4? Anymore?
IS there any chart book or year book in national library? Or any year-end figures posted on newspaper or trade magazines?

I read that Hanteo has figures from 94 onwards, can you subscribe to get the figures?

Thanks.
No, I don't have another year end.
and actually that's not yearend top4.
(article is about 96 yearend popmusic but only have 4sales)
that article say mariahis no,1 with 600k and kenny g is no,2 with 400k. and celine,alanis selling well.
Toni Braxton album more selling than whitney and whitney is flop
no certification. no official sales before 1999, no chart book

hanteo figure is not free.. I dont wanna pay for estimation

If i find more sales I'll put on here

And also as I said before Hanteo insists that they have these 90's sales figure but they don't provide. even if they have sales figure that would not be correct and it would be only for domestic acts.