It is true that in Europe, that there were plenty of tickets left at the lower price levels for the Stones. I attempted to buy such tickets for each of though shows and they were available either the day before or the day of the show.Moggio wrote:That's not true.Mulvanaghty wrote:Most of the Stones shows that did not sellout were in Europe. You could still buy tickets at EVERY price range including the cheap tickets the day of the show, so the idea that people did not attend because of the prices is simply false.That's not true either. The Rolling Stones haven't toured the UK/Europe PROPERLY on this tour yet and have only performed about 20 shows and there are additional shows being planned in UK/Europe next year, so I don't know how you could say that. Also, not only are the Stones a larger draw than U2 is in the US, but they are a larger draw than U2 is in Japan, Denmark, Germany, Switzerland and several other markets once they get down performing in Europe next year.Mulvanaghty wrote:In addition, regardless of prices, U2 outgrossed the Stones, in Europe and just about every other place outside the United States.Not by very much.Mulvanaghty wrote:Argentina, a long time base for Stones popularity anywhere, where the Stones had previously beaten U2 in concert gross and attendance, did not happen this time around. Despite similar ticket prices, U2's attendance level and gross were higher for their shows in Argentina than the Stones.As already stated, that's not true.Mulvanaghty wrote: Just name the country and role the stats out, and you'll see U2 is now the bigger draw. Only in the United States and Japan, can the Stones still make a claim to be a bigger draw than U2.The Stones will have grossed well over $500 million USD by the time they're finished touring next summer and they'll ALWAYS be a larger draw than U2 is. Also, there wasn't/isn't "heavy" demand for additional U2 shows but I agree they could've played to 10-20% more fans based on the sales of their current album and if they charged the same amount of money they did last year.Mulvanaghty wrote:Prior to these two tours, the Stones had always had higher attendance than U2 regardless of ticket price and had grossed sometimes close to double of what U2 had grossed. This time around, U2 has a much higher attendance, and the Stones will only marginally gross more than U2 because U2 elected not to return to Europe and North America this past summer, despite the heavy demand in both regions for more shows.Once the Stones get through touring the UK/Europe next summer, that record will be broken.Mulvanaghty wrote: U2 now has the highest grossing tour in the history of Europe with the Vertigo Tour.Likewise.Mulvanaghty wrote:The facts are above, pick whatever country you want to compare.No, Pink Floyd would break the Stones' record because Floyd have sold more albums than ANY band EVER, apart from The Beatles and because Floyd's tour attendance increases on every tour they perform regardless of the fact that their ticket prices increase. Nice try though.Mulvanaghty wrote:As for that final Pink Floyd tour, its about as much wishful thinking as the next Beatles tour I think. No doubt, if Pink Floyd were to magically get back together and tour, they would obviously set the gross record in whatever year they toured, primarily because people would see it as the last oportunity to ever see Pink Floyd.
Once again, the Stones haven't toured the UK/Europe PROPERLY yet. They've only done around 20 shows there. And just because U2 sold out their shows quicker or a had higher attendance than the Stones comparatively on their recent tours, it doesn't mean that the Stones are a less of a draw than U2 is because the Stones' ticket prices and grosses are HIGHER than U2's, which makes a difference and means they're a bigger draw than U2 is worldwide overall. Not only that but the capacity of venues can be adjusted to look like it is sold out, when in fact it may not be - which is something that happens all the time because if you take a look at ANY stadium or arena show and that particular show is listed as sold out, the capacity/attendance is ALWAYS different.Mulvanaghty wrote:Sure the Stones could tour next year, but given the large numbers of shows that did not sellout and the few remaining markets that have yet to be played, they would be better off taking the time off, so they can be ready again to tour before the end of this decade. U2 on the other hand could return to just about every place they played in 2005 given all the fast sellouts and fans left without tickets.
Michael Cohl: "I don't think we're done."Mulvanaghty wrote: I don't see any indication though that the Stones are really going to continue the tour into 2007 at this time.
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The Stones just played 21 shows in Europe and failed to sellout most of the shows. In addition, a few shows were cancelled because not enough tickets were sold. That does not bode well for return dates the following year, but obviously, with a year away from the market, some of the demand will naturally return to support more shows. In contrast all of U2's 32 shows in Europe were soldout within minutes or hours. The 32 shows were done in under 3 months. There is plenty of untapped demand for U2 in the European market given the rapid rate of sellout, attendance level, and the record breaking gross. The same cannot be said for the Stones.
No band or artist is ALWAYS a larger draw than another. That smacks of wishful thinking. Let the results come in, and everyone judge the results based on the facts rather than purely imagining that its this way or that way.
Pink Floyd have only had two full world tours since the end of their Animals tour in 1977. Far to little to make any sort of meaningful estimate about a hypothetical Pink Floyd tour in the future, especially since they have not done anything in 13 years. Lets stick with artist that are actually active and have relevant concert statistics that can actually be compared instead of getting into rock n'roll fantasy land where ones favorite classic rock band goes on tour and conquers all before them.
Anyways, hear are the results for both tours for outside USA/Canada:
Rolling Stones: A Bigger Bang Tour(outside USA/Canada)
AVERAGE GROSS PER SHOW: $4,319,780
AVERAGE ATTENDANCE PER SHOW: 43,254
AVERAGE TICKET PRICE: $99.87
U2: VERTIGO TOUR(outside USA/Canada)to date:
AVERAGE GROSS PER SHOW: $4,965,618
AVERAGE ATTENDANCE PER SHOW: 63,734
AVERAGE TICKET PRICE: $77.91
The Rolling Stones FAILED to sellout a single stadium sized venue in Europe this past summer! That alone really sums it up.