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Postby theberen » Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:51 pm

MusicandSoul wrote:Religion also has been completely constructed to further separate and divide the worlds population. How is it the Vatican are one of the most wealthiest organisations in the world? And how is that most major wars are fought for religious purposes...
I can't believe there is someone else out there who thinks exactly like I do :o This is astonishing. Whether the Illuminati exists or doesn't, you can't dispute what you said there & furthermore it makes a good case for something fishy going on in the higher ranks of society.
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Postby theberen » Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:53 pm

Lyrics from Umbrella

No clouds in my stones
Let it rain, I hydroplane into fame (Eh, eh, eh)
Coming down with the Dow Jones
When the clouds come we gone
We roc-a-fella (Eh, eh, eh)
We fly higher than weather in G5's or better
You know me, in anticipation for precipitation
Stacks chips for the rainy day (Eh, eh, eh)


'We roc-a-fella' means absolutely nothing in the context of the song. The track came out in one of the wettest English Summers on record.

'Coming down with the Dow Jones' / 'In anticipation for precipitation' - well! The Illuminati can decide when there's inflation deflation depending on how the public is reacting to the current government.

Oh & they also control the weather apparently.
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Postby JoshuaBuzz » Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:55 pm

theberen wrote:I thought there were only 13 members...
Each coven - like a local cell group - usually is made up of 13 members. But the Brotherhood/Illuminati is a much bigger internetional network spread all over with many covens, local, regional, national and international subdivisions.

MusicandSoul wrote:@Joshuabuzz - The Illuminati are among the most richest people in the world!! I think you were mistaken for freemasonary, where members can BE from all walks of life. Must i remind you Illuminati means to enlighten, and there are only a special few (300 or so) of the richest, who are really the true decision makers of this world..
The Illuminati/Brotherhood are without a doubt the richest and most influential people in the world. Or at least, the richest and most influential religion/instuition/society in the world. But that does not mean that every member is himself a millionaire - the group no doubt has millions, billions even, at their disposal, and the member benefit from this, but it is possible for anyone who is wiling/interested to be recruited into the Brotherhood and rise up through the ranks.

I think the number 300 is speculative at best. Its impossible for us to know how many members they have but I believe it is certainly many more than 300. At very least they will have more than one group "coven" in each major city, so in the US alone there would be many more members than 300. There are certain dates of the year which are very important significance to them and attendace at the celebrations/ceremonies can quite easily number in the thousands. Now ofc the decisions are only made by those high up in the hierarchy, who pertain to have direct contact with the "higher masters" / spiritual entities. So yeah. And I would say that all, or at least the overwhelming majority, of those in high positions are NOT public figures in any way or form. Well known celebrities, socialiates, aristocracy, business men, entrepeneurs, political figures...may be part of the Brotherhood/Illuminati, or at least, be indirectly in their pay through some of their various companies etc, but they are the ones who received orders from higher up the ladder, from priests and priestesses who dedicate their life to the society and who spend their time administrating the world's biggest instituition and ensure its goals are implemented on regional, national and international levels.
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Postby JoshuaBuzz » Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:00 pm

theberen wrote:
MusicandSoul wrote:Religion also has been completely constructed to further separate and divide the worlds population. How is it the Vatican are one of the most wealthiest organisations in the world? And how is that most major wars are fought for religious purposes...
I can't believe there is someone else out there who thinks exactly like I do :o This is astonishing. Whether the Illuminati exists or doesn't, you can't dispute what you said there & furthermore it makes a good case for something fishy going on in the higher ranks of society.
Exactly. And ofc what happens is that people just get tired of religion and throw the baby out with the bathwater, so to speak - that is, they then stop believing in God, etc, because of all the stupidity, hate, contradicition and silliness done in his name by the various religions - many of whom I firmly believe are in lieu with the Illuminati (yes, Papacy, I'm looking at you LOL)
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Postby JoshuaBuzz » Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:02 pm

aPod wrote:and I think Cabbalah is more interesting that the illuminati thing
If you study this things in depth, you will see that these things are all interconnected. Cabbalah, Freemasonry, Roman Catholicism, Illuminati, US university fraternities, etc etc, use many of the same symbols and work together to propagate the same message.
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Postby theberen » Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:14 pm

This is exactly why I said that in the Black vs. White thread that racism will never be 'abolished'.

The Illuminati works because it divides people so as to conquer them. Religion worked at first because it split people up but now I think it's useful for them to get many people to stop believing in God or having a faith because then they'll be without anyone to turn to other than the government for help.

Also, Islam has been used as a scapegoat for atrocities caused by the government. When the 7/7 London bombings happened, victims reported the explosion coming from beneath the train, not on it.
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Postby aPod » Fri Oct 30, 2009 3:21 pm

JoshuaBuzz wrote:
aPod wrote:and I think Cabbalah is more interesting that the illuminati thing
If you study this things in depth, you will see that these things are all interconnected. Cabbalah, Freemasonry, Roman Catholicism, Illuminati, US university fraternities, etc etc, use many of the same symbols and work together to propagate the same message.
But Cabbalah doesnt want to control or take over the world!!
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Postby JoshuaBuzz » Fri Oct 30, 2009 3:26 pm

aPod wrote:
JoshuaBuzz wrote:
aPod wrote:and I think Cabbalah is more interesting that the illuminati thing
If you study this things in depth, you will see that these things are all interconnected. Cabbalah, Freemasonry, Roman Catholicism, Illuminati, US university fraternities, etc etc, use many of the same symbols and work together to propagate the same message.
But Cabbalah doesnt want to control or take over the world!!
Says who?
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Postby aPod » Fri Oct 30, 2009 3:31 pm

JoshuaBuzz wrote:
aPod wrote:
JoshuaBuzz wrote:
aPod wrote:and I think Cabbalah is more interesting that the illuminati thing
If you study this things in depth, you will see that these things are all interconnected. Cabbalah, Freemasonry, Roman Catholicism, Illuminati, US university fraternities, etc etc, use many of the same symbols and work together to propagate the same message.
But Cabbalah doesnt want to control or take over the world!!
Says who?
http://www.amazon.com/Kabbalah-its-Symb ... pd_sim_b_1
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Postby nicktigatiga » Fri Oct 30, 2009 4:38 pm

is thiz for real?
so umbrella is satanic song? is that why this song was so hit at that time?
if so, can you explain why mariahs new album flopping although the dream who wrote/produced hit single umbrella also wrote/produced mariahs songs? :lol:
can you also explain why the dreams album flopping as well? :lol:
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Postby theberen » Fri Oct 30, 2009 5:01 pm

nicktigatiga wrote:is thiz for real?
so umbrella is satanic song? is that why this song was so hit at that time?
if so, can you explain why mariahs new album flopping although the dream who wrote/produced hit single umbrella also wrote/produced mariahs songs? :lol:
can you also explain why the dreams album flopping as well? :lol:
Because Mariah Carey is 1) a lot older than Rihanna & 2) nowhere near as popular as Rihanna at the current moment in time.

The Illuminati can make an artist fail with an album or two so that they can come back and be MASSIVE again (just as Mariah Carey did with The Emancipation Of Mimi).
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Postby Blackberry » Fri Oct 30, 2009 5:25 pm

UKMusicLova wrote:
MusicandSoul wrote:JUST because your not religious, doesnt mean you cant believe in God...
Yes that is my belief actually. I have faith in God, but not in religion.
Religion itself (in its original form - i.e. Bible, Qur'an etc) are really good. They teach you what is important in life, and are full of morals to make us good human beings.
But so many people throughout the years have changed religion so much, that if a religious person from 1000 years ago was here now, wouldn't recognise it anymore.
Anyway rant over.

The Illuminati thing is a load of rabbit droppings in my honest opinion, but if you believe in it, that is cooL!
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Postby AyuM » Fri Oct 30, 2009 5:34 pm

I don't know a lot about the Illuminati, I haven't studied extensively all the conscription theories concerning these groups and their views.

All I know is that God does not exist. Everything can be logically explained through science. Now, prove that he exists. You can't. Anyway, even if he does (which I do not believe), you don't know in what form he exists, what his purpose is etc., so I just reject the whole idea. So in my humble opinion, these organizations are nonsense. Studying them is rather interesting, yes, but their whole ideology is stupid. Just my opinion. All that mysticism surrounding the various spooky religious groups is simply entertaining for me. :P
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Postby nicktigatiga » Fri Oct 30, 2009 6:05 pm

theberen wrote:
nicktigatiga wrote:is thiz for real?
so umbrella is satanic song? is that why this song was so hit at that time?
if so, can you explain why mariahs new album flopping although the dream who wrote/produced hit single umbrella also wrote/produced mariahs songs? :lol:
can you also explain why the dreams album flopping as well? :lol:
Because Mariah Carey is 1) a lot older than Rihanna & 2) nowhere near as popular as Rihanna at the current moment in time.

The Illuminati can make an artist fail with an album or two so that they can come back and be MASSIVE again (just as Mariah Carey did with The Emancipation Of Mimi).
really? so thiz illuminati is d real thing? :wink:
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Postby aPod » Fri Oct 30, 2009 6:08 pm

AyuM wrote:I don't know a lot about the Illuminati, I haven't studied extensively all the conscription theories concerning these groups and their views.

All I know is that God does not exist. Everything can be logically explained through science. Now, prove that he exists. You can't. Anyway, even if he does (which I do not believe), you don't know in what form he exists, what his purpose is etc., so I just reject the whole idea. So in my humble opinion, these organizations are nonsense. Studying them is rather interesting, yes, but their whole ideology is stupid. Just my opinion. All that mysticism surrounding the various spooky religious groups is simply entertaining for me. :P
really? can you prove God does not exist?
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Postby AyuM » Fri Oct 30, 2009 6:11 pm

theberen wrote:
nicktigatiga wrote:is thiz for real?
so umbrella is satanic song? is that why this song was so hit at that time?
if so, can you explain why mariahs new album flopping although the dream who wrote/produced hit single umbrella also wrote/produced mariahs songs? :lol:
can you also explain why the dreams album flopping as well? :lol:
Because Mariah Carey is 1) a lot older than Rihanna & 2) nowhere near as popular as Rihanna at the current moment in time.

The Illuminati can make an artist fail with an album or two so that they can come back and be MASSIVE again (just as Mariah Carey did with The Emancipation Of Mimi).
Are you being serious? :-?
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Postby AyuM » Fri Oct 30, 2009 6:15 pm

aPod wrote:
AyuM wrote:I don't know a lot about the Illuminati, I haven't studied extensively all the conscription theories concerning these groups and their views.

All I know is that God does not exist. Everything can be logically explained through science. Now, prove that he exists. You can't. Anyway, even if he does (which I do not believe), you don't know in what form he exists, what his purpose is etc., so I just reject the whole idea. So in my humble opinion, these organizations are nonsense. Studying them is rather interesting, yes, but their whole ideology is stupid. Just my opinion. All that mysticism surrounding the various spooky religious groups is simply entertaining for me. :P
really? can you prove God does not exist?
No. That's why I just reject the whole ideology. I don't want to be bothered by trivialities in life. I just prefer the idea of people that can control their lives and (according to their choices) influence their futures.

Again, since nobody will ever know wether he exists or not, why bother? Just live your life, without thinking about Gods and superior powers. All that really matters is to be earnest in life.
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Postby JoshuaBuzz » Fri Oct 30, 2009 7:34 pm

Off-topic but....Would it be against the rules or looked badly upon if I were to make a thread to discuss God/existence of God?
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Postby AyuM » Fri Oct 30, 2009 7:51 pm

^

That would be an amazing and very interesting thread! :wink:
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Postby MusicandSoul » Fri Oct 30, 2009 8:13 pm

theberen wrote:
nicktigatiga wrote:is thiz for real?
so umbrella is satanic song? is that why this song was so hit at that time?
if so, can you explain why mariahs new album flopping although the dream who wrote/produced hit single umbrella also wrote/produced mariahs songs? :lol:
can you also explain why the dreams album flopping as well? :lol:
Because Mariah Carey is 1) a lot older than Rihanna & 2) nowhere near as popular as Rihanna at the current moment in time.

The Illuminati can make an artist fail with an album or two so that they can come back and be MASSIVE again (just as Mariah Carey did with The Emancipation Of Mimi).
Agree entirely.. If you look at various performances of We Belong Together she sings upon the checkered floor, which is heavely associated with Freemasonary.. And the whole Its like That video is basically in the same theme of many freemasonary rituals.. (Checkered floor, masquerade party)
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Postby MusicandSoul » Fri Oct 30, 2009 8:21 pm

Rihannas Umbrella is basically a duet between Rihanna and spiritual entity that she is allowing to become controlled by. That entity has a name and is the same entity that is controlling JayZ, and Eminem.. The name is Rainman.. NOTE: Listen back to JayZ rap part and you will here him say: Jay, Rainman is back with little miss sunshine, Rihanna where you at? - The key thing to notice is that why does JayZ address himself..? Is it because its not really jayz its Rainman.?

Theres so much to Rihanna umbrella video its very striking... I will go thru it later..
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Postby Blizzy » Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:54 pm

nicktigatiga wrote:
theberen wrote:
nicktigatiga wrote:is thiz for real?
so umbrella is satanic song? is that why this song was so hit at that time?
if so, can you explain why mariahs new album flopping although the dream who wrote/produced hit single umbrella also wrote/produced mariahs songs? :lol:
can you also explain why the dreams album flopping as well? :lol:
Because Mariah Carey is 1) a lot older than Rihanna & 2) nowhere near as popular as Rihanna at the current moment in time.

The Illuminati can make an artist fail with an album or two so that they can come back and be MASSIVE again (just as Mariah Carey did with The Emancipation Of Mimi).
really? so thiz illuminati is d real thing? :wink:
yes this is very dangerous zone...illluminti control .. their biggest achievement is that some people are still blind
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Postby Blizzy » Fri Oct 30, 2009 10:01 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX-xVN0xERk

u know there is a song by jay z which u can play back words and it has all the codes inside that song about satanic things

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDE7G6nhfFU

scary :-?

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Postby MusicandSoul » Fri Oct 30, 2009 10:19 pm

AyuM wrote:
aPod wrote:
AyuM wrote:I don't know a lot about the Illuminati, I haven't studied extensively all the conscription theories concerning these groups and their views.

All I know is that God does not exist. Everything can be logically explained through science. Now, prove that he exists. You can't. Anyway, even if he does (which I do not believe), you don't know in what form he exists, what his purpose is etc., so I just reject the whole idea. So in my humble opinion, these organizations are nonsense. Studying them is rather interesting, yes, but their whole ideology is stupid. Just my opinion. All that mysticism surrounding the various spooky religious groups is simply entertaining for me. :P
really? can you prove God does not exist?
No. That's why I just reject the whole ideology. I don't want to be bothered by trivialities in life. I just prefer the idea of people that can control their lives and (according to their choices) influence their futures.

Again, since nobody will ever know wether he exists or not, why bother? Just live your life, without thinking about Gods and superior powers. All that really matters is to be earnest in life.
Regardless of how you feel, you may not have a relationship with God, but God has one with you, whether you like it or not.

But your opinion is respected. Bless
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Postby AyuM » Fri Oct 30, 2009 10:47 pm

Blizzy wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX-xVN0xERk

u know there is a song by jay z which u can play back words and it has all the codes inside that song about satanic things

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDE7G6nhfFU

scary :-?

+ http://thestrongdelusion.com/index.php? ... &Itemid=55
OMG, I wont be able to sleep now... :-?

But this is just nonsense... Nevertheless, this is so creepy... :lol: :oops:
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