Katy Perry :: The "Teenage Dream" Era

by **MusicRecords** » Thu Aug 09, 2012 11:17 am

poriel wrote:1. KATY PERRY - Wide Awake: 163.211 (+ 0.972) ?
2. MAROON 5 - Payphone f/Wiz Khalifa: 161.278 (- 2.587) ?
3. ELLIE GOULDING - Lights: 156.112 (+ 1.470)
5. CARLY RAE JEPSEN - Call Me Maybe: 135.497 (- 3.197)

Nice!

by **taylorfan** » Thu Aug 09, 2012 11:59 am

Timmy94 wrote:
MusicRecords wrote:
Gagich wrote:Well, both streaming and airplay together are stronger than sales only, aren't they?
Yeah but the percentages are different for each, Billboard says its sales>AirPlay>streaming...but makes no sense
WHYB remained at the same position (#7) this week and it was around #30 all week on iTunes
Airplay seems to count the most. I take your example of WHYB: It was No. 2 on airplay (the one Billboard uses), No. 20 on digital and No. 21 on on demand last week.
It could reach No. 7 percentwise in the end if airplay would count for 75% or more...
My only solution would be that Where Have You Been could've profitted from the fact that it did overall well while other songs maybe were good on either airplay, on demand or digital but not the other 2...

I tryed (hard!) to figure it out and here's the only solution which I can come with. I'll try to explain my mathematical thoughts as clear as possible but english is not my mothertongue, so ask if you don't get it :wink:

Eventually, what is important is not the weight of sales/radio/streaming but the deviation (differential, difference) of points for each part (sales/radio/streaming) between two songs that aim in the same range on spots for Hot 100. That's why I think that:

The formula used to calculate Hot 100 points for sales is a linear form.

The formula used to calculate Hot 100 points for airplay is a quadratic or exponential form

Can't really tell for streaming activity, don't have enough situations where it was important.

EXAMPLE:

Song 1, WHYB type : Strong for airplay, weak on sales and streaming

Song 2, Titanium type : Not strong for airplay (about half of Song 1), stronger on both sales and streaming.

Song 1 get (random figures):
45 points for Sales
35 points for airplay
10 points for streaming

Song 2 gets:
55 points for Sales (it may be a lot stronger than song 1, as the formula is linear, the difference of points is not huge)
15 points for airplay (as the formula is exponential, even small difference on audience impression make huge difference on points, so fancy what it is for big audience impression differences)
15 points for streaming (once again, I can't really come with an exact answer for streaming)

Song 1 (90 points) charts higher than Song 2 (85 points). With those formulas, Billboard is theoretically right saying that sales count more than airplay (speaking in terms of points) but in the reality, a difference in airplay between two songs counts a lot lot lot more than a difference in sales (because of the characteristic of the exponential/linear forms)

Convinced? :lol:

by **Timmy94** » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:03 pm

Canadian Albums Chart:
11 (13) Teenage Dream 102 weeks (No. 1 for 1 week)

Almost made the top 10

...

Canadian Hot 100:
1 (2) Wide Awake 12 weeks (No. 1 for 2 weeks)

50 (38) Part Of Me 25 weeks (No. 1 for 1 week)

by **truthless** » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:30 pm

Gosh. The discount does almost nothing lol.

by **KatyVenezuela** » Thu Aug 09, 2012 3:44 pm

madboy wrote:please,

peak of katy in airplay uk!!!

thank u

Wide Awake? Its current peak is #3.

by **KatyVenezuela** » Thu Aug 09, 2012 3:50 pm

Timmy94 wrote:Canadian Albums Chart:
11 (13) Teenage Dream 102 weeks (No. 1 for 1 week)

Almost made the top 10 ...

Canadian Hot 100:
1 (2) Wide Awake 12 weeks (No. 1 for 2 weeks)

50 (38) Part Of Me 25 weeks (No. 1 for 1 week)

Wow. It has been doing so good there

They should discount it or something..

by **KatyVenezuela** » Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:43 pm

Brazil Airplay:
39 29 Katy Perry Part Of Me
90 74 Katy Perry The One That Got Away
91 NEW Katy Perry Wide Awake

by **starshine90** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 4:26 am

Billboard no longer provides us the Radio and On-Demand info?!
Do they want to cheat on us?!

by **katyrules** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 5:44 am

I don't understand why Whistle's position is higher than Wide Awake ???????? :evil:

by **MusicRecords** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 7:24 am

starshine90 wrote:Billboard no longer provides us the Radio and On-Demand info?!
Do they want to cheat on us?!

I gave up on them :roll:

by **weare** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 10:04 am

katyrules wrote:I don't understand why Whistle's position is higher than Wide Awake ????????

higher sale

by **MusicRecords** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:07 am

1. KATY PERRY - Wide Awake: 164.200 (+ 0.989)

2. MAROON 5 - Payphone f/Wiz Khalifa: 159.614 (- 1.664)
3. ELLIE GOULDING - Lights: 157.539 (+ 1.427)
5. CARLY RAE JEPSEN - Call Me Maybe: 132.876 (- 2.621)

by **musiclover2174** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:25 am

US Hot 100 Chart Runs

California Gurls 2-3-2-1-1-1-1-1-1-2-2-2-4-3-8-7-10-12-17-17-20-19-26-31-37-44-50-out [17 weeks on Top 10/27 weeks on chart]

Teenage Dream 20-7-9-5-3-2-1-1-4-2-3-4-7-7-8-12-13-15-14-15-20-22-21-18-26-32-33-37-41-46-39-44-48-out [14 weeks on Top 10/33 weeks on chart]

Firework 57-29-10-9-6-2-1-1-1-2-1-2-3-2-3-3-2-5-6-10-14-15-14-14-18-22-24-23-25-28-32-37-40-40-45-43-36-45-out [18 weeks on Top 10/39 weeks on chart]

E.T. 42-out-28-8-8-3-2-1-1-1-2-1-1-2-2-2-3-3-4-5-7-7-10-12-14-20-23-32-37-42-47-out [20 weeks on Top 10/30 weeks on chart]

Last Friday Night (T.G.I.F.) 67-out-63-31-4-4-4-4-3-2-2-2-1-1-5-10-12-13-15-18-25-30-37-38-39-out [12 weeks on Top 10/24 weeks on chart]

The One That Got Away 94-55-34-18-15-10-9-9-4-5-3-3-6-6-5-9-14-21-30-29-33-31-36-48-out [11 weeks on Top 10/24 weeks on chart]

Part of Me 1-4-5-10-10-8-8-9-10-12-11-13-13-14-20-26-31-34-33-37-41-43-out [9 weeks on Top 10/22 weeks on chart]

Wide Awake 35-19-9-4-4-4-4-3-3-2-4- [9 weeks on Top 10 so far/11 weeks on chart so far]

Not Like The Movies 53-out [1 week on chart]

Circle The Drain 58-out [1 week on chart]

US Radio Songs Chart Runs

California Gurls 31-15-10-6-3-3-2-2-2-1-1-1-2-2-3-5-7-8-10-15-17-15-17-24-32-38-42-out [17 weeks on Top 10/27 weeks on chart]

Teenage Dream 75-39-26-15-11-7-5-4-3-2-1-2-3-3-6-6-8-9-10-13-13-16-20-14-22-25-25-29-33-33-35-35-36-out [14 weeks on chart/33 weeks on chart]

Firework 60-39-27-19-15-12-8-6-3-2-2-2-2-2-2-1-2-2-3-5-6-8-9-11-12-15-14-18-23-28-28-33-36-37-37-39-38-out [17 weeks on Top 10/39 weeks on chart]

E.T. 57-38-24-13-10-6-2-2-1-1-1-1-1-2-2-3-3-3-4-7-8-9-13-17-23-26-30-38-out [18 weeks on Top 10/28 weeks on chart]

Last Friday Night (T.G.I.F.) 40-21-11-8-6-4-3-2-1-1-2-1-1-1-5-8-10-14-20-24-29-36-out [14 weeks on Top 10/22 weeks on chart]

The One That Got Away 75-48-33-26-20-18-10-7-6-5-4-4-3-4-4-5-5-5-9-12-13-15-16-23-out [13 weeks on Top 10/24 weeks on chart]

Part of Me 36-19-14-11-6-8-6-4-4-4-6-7-8-11-13-16-26-31-36-43-52-51-out [9 weeks on Top 10/22 weeks on chart]

Wide Awake 70-35-14-11-10-7-5-5-4-3-2- [7 weeks on Top 10/11 weeks on chart so far]

US Hot Digital Songs Chart Runs

California Gurls 1-3-1-1-1-1-2-2-2-3-3-5-7-9-12-15-13-19-23-27-32-40-42-41-60-57-63-out-72-out-34-25-44-60-72-out-71-71-out [14 weeks on Top 10/35 weeks on chart]

Teenage Dream 11-4-5-3-2-1-1-2-4-5-5-9-11-12-16-15-14-20-20-21-24-28-22-19-26-37-39-45-53-60-45-54-62-73-47-54-67-out [11 weeks on Top 10/37 weeks on chart]

Firework 63-33-6-4-4-1-1-1-2-2-2-2-4-5-6-7-2-7-12-13-19-24-25-23-21-28-30-30-35-42-42-44-41-42-47-51-50-40-50-56-57-60-61-57-62-75-out-74-62-out-49-out [16 weeks on Top 10/49 weeks on chart]

E.T. 19-out-12-4-5-1-1-1-1-1-2-1-1-2-3-3-7-6-10-11-13-17-17-25-29-34-35-41-44-51-67-71-out-74-out [16 weeks on Top 10/32 weeks on chart]

Last Friday Night (T.G.I.F.) 29-out-62-28-1-1-2-2-3-2-3-5-4-4-14-17-21-25-27-34-42-49-52-64-61-out-74-out-58-55-75-out [10 weeks on Top 10/28 weeks on chart]

The One That Got Away 73-36-17-14-11-5-7-6-6-2-3-9-14-10-25-35-40-53-64-68-out [8 weeks on Top 10/20 weeks on chart]

Part of Me 1-4-7-7-10-11-10-9-15-16-15-19-29-26-33-40-46-44-45-40-31-37-55-67-73- [8 weeks on Top 10/25 weeks on chart so far]

Wide Awake 20-12-4-3-2-2-2-1-3-3-5- [9 weeks on Top 10 so far/11 weeks on chart so far]

Not Like The Movies 22-out [1 week on chart]

Circle The Drain 22-out [1 week on chart]

Peacock 67-out [1 week on chart]

AIRPLAY PEAK
07/22/10 California Gurls - 144.071
10/07/10 Teenage Dream - 128.832
01/21/11 Firework - 146.659
05/15/11 E.T. - 151.829
08/11/11 Last Friday Night (T.G.I.F.) - 147.716
01/27/12 The One That Got Away - 123.835
04/28/12 Part Of Me - 127.492
08/10/12 Wide Awake - 164.200

DOWNLOAD PEAK
06/26/10 California Gurls - 353,000
09/11/10 Teenage Dream - 259,000
01/08/11 Firework - 509,000
05/07/11 E.T. - 344,000
07/02/11 Last Friday Night (T.G.I.F.) - 235,000
01/14/12 The One That Got Away - 308,000
03/03/12 Part of Me - 411,000
06/28/12 Wide Awake - 221,000

by **tada** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 2:51 pm

so she's gonna score in the end No.1 on Radio Songs, Digital Songs and Pop Songs from top chart, yet missing H100 :-?

we'll see though

by **Timmy94** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 3:08 pm

Ireland:
16 (20) Teenage Dreams 102 weeks (No. 1 for 1 week)

by **Rihab95** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 3:19 pm

So where is your soon-to-be No.1 now, MusicRecords? And I was so sure both of them would reach the top, but neither one of them did in the end.. :wink:

Anyway, wasn't this era supposed to be over a few weeks ago or so?
Next one please.. :-?

by **MusicRecords** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 3:28 pm

Rihab95 wrote:So where is your soon-to-be No.1 now, MusicRecords? And I was so sure both of them would reach the top, but neither one of them did in the end..

Anyway, wasn't this era supposed to be over a few weeks ago or so?
Next one please..

I never said it would reach #1 lol, if you check back on old pages you'll see that I said that "I wanted WA to be top 3 so bad" 8-)

...meanwhile WHYB wasn't even that :lol:

Well I guess the era is now over, we just need WA to fall...I want the next album so bad!

by **Rihab95** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 3:47 pm

MusicRecords wrote:
Rihab95 wrote:So where is your soon-to-be No.1 now, MusicRecords? And I was so sure both of them would reach the top, but neither one of them did in the end..

Anyway, wasn't this era supposed to be over a few weeks ago or so?
Next one please..
I never said it would reach #1 lol, if you check back on old pages you'll see that I said that "I wanted WA to be top 3 so bad" ...meanwhile WHYB wasn't even that
Well I guess the era is now over, we just need WA to fall...I want the next album so bad!

Me too.

Do we know if the third album is going to happen this or next year?
I mean on the one hand I'm sure that with a November release she wouldn't lose too much momentum and could open with 400k+ because people now know her whole album is worth buying and not only the lead and second single..
But on the other hand I want her to take her time to work on new material, I'm not here for fast food & bubble pop music anymore, and I couldn't imagine summer without a brand new Katy Perry single on the radio either..

by **Cless** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 4:37 pm

^ Don't you think 400k is too much?

by **KatyVenezuela** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 5:08 pm

The album is coming next year :wink:

She said she'd start working this fall

BlackStar wrote:^ Don't you think 400k is too much?

She could pull ~300k in Holiday season at best (with 1-2 smashes). Her sales are not frontloaded.

by **starshine90** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 7:19 am

If she's not gonna release new album on season 4, I think 200-250K is more reasonable.

by **taylorfan** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 7:34 am

Rihab95 wrote:I mean on the one hand I'm sure that with a November release she wouldn't lose too much momentum and could open with 400k+ because people now know her whole album is worth buying and not only the lead and second single...

That's definitely true, ... as far as people know about it. I mean : we spend a lot of time examining charts and searching articles about music industry, so it's clear to us, but does the general public know that all the singles from Katy in the 2 previous years come from the same album?

Just asking, 'cause when I speak about music with friends, they just have no idea which single was the lead single, and which album it comes from, etc...

by **MusicRecords** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 10:23 am

taylorfan wrote:
Rihab95 wrote:I mean on the one hand I'm sure that with a November release she wouldn't lose too much momentum and could open with 400k+ because people now know her whole album is worth buying and not only the lead and second single...
That's definitely true, ... as far as people know about it. I mean : we spend a lot of time examining charts and searching articles about music industry, so it's clear to us, but does the general public know that all the singles from Katy in the 2 previous years come from the same album?

Just asking, 'cause when I speak about music with friends, they just have no idea which single was the lead single, and which album it comes from, etc...

Yah some of my friends think she has released so many albums or something. Whenever there's a new single they're like "Oh have you heard Katy Perry's new song, it came out not long ago" but it had been released when the album came out, the single just didn't become popular until it got the music video and everything :lol:

by **KatyVenezuela** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 8:42 pm

Mediatraffic (re-release):
09. 69,000
12. 51,000
20. 37,000
18. 38,000
20. 32,000
26. 30,000
33. 25,000
-5 weeks- ~18,000
36. 24,000
26. 29,000
06. 100,000
10. 56,000
16. 45,000
20. 37,000
18. 35,000

Total: ~702,000
Total (Overall): 5,338,000

Me LastFM · by **AutomaticBR** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 9:02 pm

taylorfan wrote:
Timmy94 wrote:
MusicRecords wrote:
Gagich wrote:Well, both streaming and airplay together are stronger than sales only, aren't they?
Yeah but the percentages are different for each, Billboard says its sales>AirPlay>streaming...but makes no sense
WHYB remained at the same position (#7) this week and it was around #30 all week on iTunes
Airplay seems to count the most. I take your example of WHYB: It was No. 2 on airplay (the one Billboard uses), No. 20 on digital and No. 21 on on demand last week.
It could reach No. 7 percentwise in the end if airplay would count for 75% or more...
My only solution would be that Where Have You Been could've profitted from the fact that it did overall well while other songs maybe were good on either airplay, on demand or digital but not the other 2...
I tryed (hard!) to figure it out and here's the only solution which I can come with. I'll try to explain my mathematical thoughts as clear as possible but english is not my mothertongue, so ask if you don't get it

Eventually, what is important is not the weight of sales/radio/streaming but the deviation (differential, difference) of points for each part (sales/radio/streaming) between two songs that aim in the same range on spots for Hot 100. That's why I think that:

The formula used to calculate Hot 100 points for sales is a linear form.

The formula used to calculate Hot 100 points for airplay is a quadratic or exponential form

Can't really tell for streaming activity, don't have enough situations where it was important.

EXAMPLE:

Song 1, WHYB type : Strong for airplay, weak on sales and streaming

Song 2, Titanium type : Not strong for airplay (about half of Song 1), stronger on both sales and streaming.

Song 1 get (random figures):
45 points for Sales
35 points for airplay
10 points for streaming

Song 2 gets:
55 points for Sales (it may be a lot stronger than song 1, as the formula is linear, the difference of points is not huge)
15 points for airplay (as the formula is exponential, even small difference on audience impression make huge difference on points, so fancy what it is for big audience impression differences)
15 points for streaming (once again, I can't really come with an exact answer for streaming)

Song 1 (90 points) charts higher than Song 2 (85 points). With those formulas, Billboard is theoretically right saying that sales count more than airplay (speaking in terms of points) but in the reality, a difference in airplay between two songs counts a lot lot lot more than a difference in sales (because of the characteristic of the exponential/linear forms)

Convinced?

The only "formula" the Hot 100 uses is this:

1,000 sales = 1,000,000 impressions = 50,000 streamings = 1 POINT

just add the points and see who comes first, there's no percentage or anything complicated, it's soooooooooo simples but still seems some people never understand it :-?