Why is chart analysis so poorly moderated?

[hello]

that's why I quit posting in that forum drama queens! plus I got banned for expressing my opinions so the best and most mature step to take is to stay away from drama..

Charts Analysis isn't for posting opinions!

Honey, the Charts Analysis is 90% opinions.

[Brazilian]

that's why

Charts Analysis isn't for posting opinions!

Honey, the Charts Analysis is 90% opinions.

In Chart Analysis we post our own opinion,for example, when we make predictions about album and singles sales, chart positions etc.

I remember I used to be called "negative" when I posted several predictions in some threads. In most cases ,I was right, but that people didn't remember I had made a reasonable (although pessimistic) analysis.

[irishguy28]

And yes, such predictions should not be allowed. Charts Analysis was intended for the sharing of existing, published charts - not for speculation and prediction, which in most cases is a complete waste of both time and energy.

[Brazilian]

But they are allowed until now. A topic of Chart Analysis without opinions would be tedious. The thread of Blackout era was almost made without opinions and I'm sure if Femme Fatale had to be like that,it wouldn't be sucessful. It's interesting to make predictions to catch the attention of the users.

[irishguy28]

1320 pages at present in the Femme Fatale Charts Analysis thread, vs only 147 pages in the Femme Fatale Pure Pop thread.


I'd have thought the fans would have more to talk about than just chart positions and predictions - but it seems that talk accounts for ten times as much discussion as everything else to do with the album!

[Brazilian]

Big fault of out of topic posts. That thread really seems like a fansite.That way isn't interesting for people that look for charts and sales infos.

[Scavo]

And yes, such predictions should not be allowed. Charts Analysis was intended for the sharing of existing, published charts - not for speculation and prediction, which in most cases is a complete waste of both time and energy.

"Discuss the UK and international charts, sales and airplay updates or make your own predictions."

I think the point in here is to dissociate comments from analysis. Sometimes it's very difficult to say what's a comment or what's an analysis, 'cause typing "flop" on a Ciara thread may actually be an analysis

K, I'm a bit joking, but that's true if done with the intention to start a war. I also think the Chart Analysis section has too much comments about tours, perfumes and other business not directly linked to charts.

[irishguy28]

My point exactly!

I don't think Charts Analysis should encourage prediction and opinion. By all means, talk about "The Best Album In The World - Ever!"'s chart position when its announced, but why fill up pages trying to guess where it will be in advance.

[pomporella]

My point exactly!

I don't think Charts Analysis should encourage prediction and opinion. By all means, talk about "The Best Album In The World - Ever!"'s chart position when its announced, but why fill up pages trying to guess where it will be in advance.

It's true. IIRC Femme Fatale Era thread contains full coverage of Billboard awards ceremony with live comments, links, embed photos etc.

[Marshall]

My point exactly!

I don't think Charts Analysis should encourage prediction and opinion. By all means, talk about "The Best Album In The World - Ever!"'s chart position when its announced, but why fill up pages trying to guess where it will be in advance.

It's true. IIRC Femme Fatale Era thread contains full coverage of Billboard awards ceremony with live comments, links, embed photos etc.

of course Beyonce thread leads in amount of chart information HOOORAY WOOHOO

[Graham76man]

Big fault of out of topic posts. That thread really seems like a fansite.That way isn't interesting for people that look for charts and sales infos.

I agree

That's why anything to do with a artist should be removed to a new section, just leaving it free for disscussion and charts old and new from around the world. That would make that part a great database for researches to use and post revelent information, some of which actually gets posted eleswhere. For example there's a thread on Music Week changes that should be there, which is in Mad About Music.
Anyway that's my point made, anymore and we will start going around in circles.

[pomporella]

of course Beyonce thread leads in amount of chart information HOOORAY WOOHOO

Hey, no need to be sarcastic
irishguy28 was talking about Femme Fatale thread so I gave a corresponding example. Of course all most popular CA threads (Brit, Bey, Riri, Katy, Gaga) have loads of off-topic in them.

[Scavo]

Because 70% of the people on Chart Analysis aren't actually "chart analysers". They're just fans that go there manifest their happiness towards their fave's success.

[BLover]

Because 70% of the people on Chart Analysis aren't actually "chart analysers". They're just fans that go there manifest their happiness towards their fave's success.

That's great, but there are other threads to do so.

[Graham76man]

So I see they haved played musical chairs with the forums. But it hasn't changed what is currently being posted in chart analysis.
Take the thread: Britney Spears :: The "Femme Fatale" Era

Currently at 1333 pages and on that page is a "Manager" poster who should know what the section is for, posting on that page this:

It was actually Chris Brown at number 2 and Beyonce at number 1 MJ and Janet weren't options lol and madonnas got to number 15

This was to do with a public vote on MTV where several posters state they had voted. And not connected with the topic of the thread please note. But either was this:
Same Manager previously posting:

Britney was #3 in 4Musics Worlds Greatest Dancers

Not that poster is any better/worse than the others that post there.

There is so much general disscusion about this artist and in the other artists threads, I suspect, but couldn't be bothered to check, that the thread topics currently posted are not even revelent to the thread titles anymore.

Clearly sad to say this but the only conclusion is because of this multi subject posts on one thread, that Chart Analysis is poorly moderated
Why? Because they should be shifted to the General Artists Discussion section as soon as they turn into general disscussions and get completely off topic.

[Wayne]

And yes, such predictions should not be allowed. Charts Analysis was intended for the sharing of existing, published charts - not for speculation and prediction, which in most cases is a complete waste of both time and energy.

I couldn't disagree more.

[Plym]

You can split threads on this forum, but they can't be merged with another thread so shifting them would be pointless.
And you can only tell people to talk somewhere else up to a certain point.

[Wayne]

You can split threads on this forum, but they can't be merged with another thread so shifting them would be pointless.
And you can only tell people to talk somewhere else up to a certain point.

Chart analysis needs new moderators, simple pimples - SeattleBoy is fairly active, AutomaticBR similarly. Kingsofskiffle is never posting.

[Plym]

You can split threads on this forum, but they can't be merged with another thread so shifting them would be pointless.
And you can only tell people to talk somewhere else up to a certain point.

Chart analysis needs new moderators, simple pimples - SeattleBoy is fairly active, AutomaticBR similarly. Kingsofskiffle is never posting.

I'd definitely agree with that. The forum needs new people higher than that as well.

[Thriller]

You'd have to be online literally 24/7 to moderate CA if you're going to remove every single off-topic post, it moves at such a rapid pace it's almost an impossible task. Like Plym said, you can only tell people so many times!

[Graham76man]

You'd have to be online literally 24/7 to moderate CA if you're going to remove every single off-topic post, it moves at such a rapid pace it's almost an impossible task. Like Plym said, you can only tell people so many times!

The ones that are off topic there are the ones about artists only. So it would be better, repeat much better to create an Artist Analysis section, where they can post whatever they want on Britney's tours, nail polish range and the other artists and leave Chart Analysis to those interested in charts. That as I said that would be a great resource that UKMIX could be PROUD about, with people encouraged to look and post classic charts, even perhaps becoming a valued place to come and find out about charts all around the world, not the mess you have now there.

Tinkering with the problem will not sort this problem out, shift the artist threads from there is the only solution... as I see it, from the above answer.

[pomporella]

So it would be better, repeat much better to create an Artist Analysis section, where they can post whatever they want on Britney's tours, nail polish range and the other artists and leave Chart Analysis to those interested in charts.

Isn't General Artist Discussion for that? And for more specific discussions album/single/tour threads. People just need to bother to check them instead of making lists of "what should be single from "4"" for 10 000 001st time or making survey which colour should Rihanna try next all in chart analysis.

[Graham76man]

Isn't General Artist Discussion for that? And for more specific discussions album/single/tour threads. People just need to bother to check them instead of making lists of "what should be single from "4"" for 10 000 001st time or making survey which colour should Rihanna try next all in chart analysis.

But as the mod said they don't and it's impossible to edit the threads or move them when they have turned into general chit-chat about an artist.
As far as I can tell the only thread on thier that stays true to artists is the no-name thread of "chart runs".
The rest of the artists ones could be moved to General Artists Disscussion section, but I think that would swamp it. So best to create a new section for them, with less severe rules. So the culprits who do it, don't need to be policed as strong.

On a unrelated point, to the above poster, could it be that Kingsofskiffle rarely posting there now is related to becoming less interested in CA with it's far less revelence to charts. I know he did some marvelous work posting classic charts. To see the section turned into people on about how I-Tunes popularity bars make thier hero into a god, would p... me off!

[matthew_dixon]

Personally, I think that the three moderators we have in Chart Analysis are doing a great job... but you might be right that we need to find someone else to join them.

You'd have to be online literally 24/7 to moderate CA if you're going to remove every single off-topic post, it moves at such a rapid pace it's almost an impossible task. Like Plym said, you can only tell people so many times!

I think that post sums it up. It's an absolute nightmare to moderate, it really is, particularly those mega-insane 1000+page topics that move at a rate of three pages per day!

For me, my main moderation in chart analysis is dealing with the stans and trolls that make it not a nice place to be. There's so much work involved merely in that part of moderation that I don't really get chance to deal with off-topic posts.

[hello]

If I was the mod I would ban every single one of them gurls, yall need to toughen up a lil bit.