Why is chart analysis so poorly moderated?

[matthew_dixon]

If I was the mod I would ban every single one of them gurls, yall need to toughen up a lil bit.

Ban every single person who has been found to either stan or troll permanently... yes?

Including anyone who's already had temporary bans for stanning or trolling?

[AlexZ]

For me: Most annoying thing in chart analysis is I-Tunes position updates for songs in style: 208 - 205 - 200....

Also: very hard to find charts for countries, not for artists sales/chartruns.

[jszmiles]

If I was the mod I would ban every single one of them gurls, yall need to toughen up a lil bit.

Ban every single person who has been found to either stan or troll permanently... yes?

Including anyone who's already had temporary bans for stanning or trolling?

ALL, ALL, ALL!!

[hello]

If I was the mod I would ban every single one of them gurls, yall need to toughen up a lil bit.

Ban every single person who has been found to either stan or troll permanently... yes?

Including anyone who's already had temporary bans for stanning or trolling?

ALL, ALL, ALL!!

Now you guys....let's not take things too serious

What had happened was...

yall, you my homeboys gurls

[Plym]

The rest of the artists ones could be moved to General Artists Disscussion section, but I think that would swamp it. So best to create a new section for them, with less severe rules. So the culprits who do it, don't need to be policed as strong.

So you want to scrap GAD and create a new section where every artist has their own topic for general discussion? That doesn't make sense, thats exactly the same as what we have now.
And how will that stop posters in Chart Analysis talking about the same thing?

[Chun]

For me: Most annoying thing in chart analysis is I-Tunes position updates for songs in style: 208 - 205 - 200....

Why is this annoying? Also, it is hard work and gives information which can be found nowhere else.

Also: very hard to find charts for countries, not for artists sales/chartruns.

http://acharts.us/, only since 2003 or so.

[Wayne]

Personally, I think that the three moderators we have in Chart Analysis are doing a great job... but you might be right that we need to find someone else to join them.

With all due respect meant to you and the team here, some of you pull your weight, and the others don't. Or some of the team just don't bother logging on at all. Of the four chart analysis moderators, two haven't even posted in 2011. I think Automatic does a good job in keeping the section up to date, and SeattleBoy does a good job in eliminating the stans when he's online - however, he hasn't posted in nearly 3 weeks.

Not that I'm keeping tabs, I just wanted to argue that your initial point was probably not accurate.

[Graham76man]

So you want to scrap GAD and create a new section where every artist has their own topic for general discussion? That doesn't make sense, thats exactly the same as what we have now.
And how will that stop posters in Chart Analysis talking about the same thing?

Wrong end of the stick Plym

No I don't want to scrap GAD, just split CA into two sections:

CA - for charts etc

CA Artists - for all threads about artists that currently fill up CA. Suposedly about thier chart positions, but turning into general free for all.

I just see that as a site tidy up nothing more. It would I believe, make it better for the site, as I reckon most of the moderation problems are related to the artist side of things and not any threads about charts old & new.

Discuss the UK and international charts, sales and airplay updates or make your own predictions.

I've quoted that because that what it says the Chart Analysis pages are about. It doesn't mention "artists" at all...
Yet of the 39(?) threads (not including sticky) at the present time only SIX fit that discription, on page one of it.

[Thriller]

CA Artists - for all threads about artists that currently fill up CA. Suposedly about thier chart positions, but turning into general free for all.

You're missing the point! That IS General Artists Discussion. There's no point having two forums for exactly the same purpose.

[Graham76man]

CA Artists - for all threads about artists that currently fill up CA. Suposedly about thier chart positions, but turning into general free for all.

You're missing the point! That IS General Artists Discussion. There's no point having two forums for exactly the same purpose.

No I'm not! They start as so called disscussion of artist chart related and then over time turn into free for alls.
HOWEVER if you think that the artists threads in CA are General Discusions, then there's no reason to move them all to GAD. I know you can move threads to different section, because some uneducated Mod moved a thread of mine from This and That to the Technology section, little knowing about that the acient Chinese art of I-Ching has nothing to do with technology, but because it had a link to a website moved it on that pretense.

Of course moving them would swamp GAD and create confusion, but if it left CA with just stuff about charts in I would be happy

[Plym]

You're missing the point in that you can't impose people to stick to a certain topic so strictly. What's going to happen when 2 posters start to discuss Rihanna's upcoming single in the chart related thread? Should we warn them, ban them? Or step in everytime and tell them to move the discussion elsewhere.
You would soon see over time that none of these are logical.

[matthew_dixon]

Not that I'm keeping tabs, I just wanted to argue that your initial point was probably not accurate.

Okay - I wasn't aware that Lonnie actually hadn't posted in 2011 He still seems to be "active" to me, but maybe that's just me.

Amir, yes, granted, he's not posted in donkeys years, which is why I effectively said "three chart analysis moderators".

[Graham76man]

You're missing the point in that you can't impose people to stick to a certain topic so strictly. What's going to happen when 2 posters start to discuss Rihanna's upcoming single in the chart related thread? Should we warn them, ban them? Or step in everytime and tell them to move the discussion elsewhere.
You would soon see over time that none of these are logical.

Once Chart Analysis is free of Artists, it would become obvious a thread about Rihanna's new single would not be placed there, or if it were would be moved to the section were it best fitted.

I should imagine though that moving the artists threads out of CA isn't being even taken serious at the moment by those with the power to do so, otherwise they would have said something either way, by now.
Mind you on some forums those in power don't like any aspect of their "babies" being questioned. This thread would be a no-no. Just seen as an attack by the thread maker on the Mods. On those you'd be out faster than Mr Dixon after a Troll in this site.

[AlexZ]

http://acharts.us/, only since 2003 or so.

It's good site, but
1. Not include Germany
2. For Canada: start only in middle 2007
3. My charts period (1977 - 2011, for UK & Ireland all charts), very hard to find full chart information about Belgium, Spain, Germany, Italy, Canada, Australia (1977 - 1987).

[AlexZ]

For me: Most annoying thing in chart analysis is I-Tunes position updates for songs in style: 208 - 205 - 200....

Why is this annoying? Also, it is hard work and gives information which can be found nowhere else.

It seems as fan madness, I don't understand,
Why they are lucky, when song reach I-Tunes positions in style 452 or 387?
Top 100 is achievement, but 452 or 387 is madness!

[AlexZ]

IMO, All charts for countries must be in one INDIVIDUAL thread, because today fans of anybody artist very often update I-tunes positions and automatically bump artist threads with sales.

Official charts for countries is prefer for me, but they update every week and not every day. It's a reason, because they 'drown' in threads with sales for anybody artist.

I'm always post album chart with sales in Russia, but it's monthly chart and very hard to find this thread.

[hello]

IMO, All charts for countries must be in one INDIVIDUAL thread, because today fans of anybody artist very often update I-tunes positions and automatically bump artist threads with sales.

Official charts for countries is prefer for me, but they update every week and not every day. It's a reason, because they 'drown' in threads with sales for anybody artist.

I'm always post album chart with sales in Russia, but it's monthly chart and very hard to find this thread.

What did you just call me?

jk

[Graham76man]

Lots of artists threads creeping into the chart only section currently and not being moved. The Snow Patrol one has picked up a lot of replies and still not been moved
Are the mods getting tired?

[johnnyboy]

One thing I do find annoying is listing weekly charts. Why?

What is acceptable to write in an Artists Chart Analysis forum?

Comparisons with other artists - ok if it's just in passing. Eg in the ABBA sales form it would be fine for me to print the All Time Top 10 Albums in the UK - and high light ABBA Gold.

What wouldn't be fine would be for a detailed analysis of other artists' sales.

It's common sense really.

[Graham76man]

One thing I do find annoying is listing weekly charts. Why?

Well for one thing it saves time searching loads of websites for each chart!
Some sites have complex layouts for charts. They include links, pictures, video's, take ages to load up. Thanks to UKMIX you can highlight the text of a chart, then copy it to a wordproccessor.

You can have a copy of every UK chart for instance for every year all thanks to UKMIX.
It's one of the things that's really great about UKMIX

[NothingFails]

I'm throwing the towel in the HITS thread because people are going to find negativity and shade in everything. I'm posting everywhere else, but that one specific thread is too much drama 24/7. I love that I can post something nothing but glowing in Adele's favor yet I'm still a "hater" because I once said it'll never compare with "Thriller"'s sales and impact, in all honestly, what will?

There's more drama and bitchiness in that thread than any of the diva threads

[Brad]

It's very rare that I post in chart analysis and I even I know it's poorly moderated. I'm sure it wouldn't hurt to let some new moderators take over.

[Wayne]

I think Matthew and Shane are going to rectify this with the open forum feedback.

Chart analysis has long been a dumping ground, and it needs someone with STRONG opinions of their own, some chart analysis knowledge, and a big name on the site to look after it.

Hopefully, the open forum feedback will sort the issue

[VoReason]

I'm throwing the towel in the HITS thread because people are going to find negativity and shade in everything. I'm posting everywhere else, but that one specific thread is too much drama 24/7. I love that I can post something nothing but glowing in Adele's favor yet I'm still a "hater" because I once said it'll never compare with "Thriller"'s sales and impact, in all honestly, what will?

There's more drama and bitchiness in that thread than any of the diva threads

Funny too how many Adele fans on this forum turn their noses up at stanning, when they're the epitome of it.

[NothingFails]

I'm throwing the towel in the HITS thread because people are going to find negativity and shade in everything. I'm posting everywhere else, but that one specific thread is too much drama 24/7. I love that I can post something nothing but glowing in Adele's favor yet I'm still a "hater" because I once said it'll never compare with "Thriller"'s sales and impact, in all honestly, what will?

There's more drama and bitchiness in that thread than any of the diva threads

Funny too how many Adele fans on this forum turn their noses up at stanning, when they're the epitome of it.

LOL I know. I swear some people there are such defensive queens that they'd find spin in a comment like the sky is blue, they'd claim you're trying to shade the sky or act like there's something wrong with the color blue. I admit I've given those queens ammo before, but I figured they're no longer worth me posting there if I make a comment, after a discussion about how to "fix" the industry by saying a music variety show (and not an Idol type karaoke contest) like an updated Soul Train/American Bandstand where todays top artists get exposure that MTV and other outlets aren't giving them, and then I used Adele's VMA performance where Someone Like You overnight became #1 (as well as the Grammys when Mumford And Sons' album pretty much tripled its sales) as an example of the power of exposure, and of course the "Adele mafia" had to find negativity, hate and spin in my post about that. Never mind that I didn't say one bad thing about her, the song or the performance... but hey, I once said that you cannot compare Adele today to Michael Jackson circa 1983 (since someone else said that 21 is this generations' Thriller) so therefore I'm a "hater" and "shader" when I was listening to her before they did.