2012 Grammy Awards

by **danbarj** » Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:01 pm

Well, the genre awards can't be taken that seriously. Yes, they are still awards... they're still Grammys. But, comparatively, it is not the same.

How do we know this? Have you ever heard the Grammy committee getting rid of the AOTY, ROTY, SOTY categories? No.

But them damn "genre" cats get changed every here and there. There disposable in many ways and all of those expanded awards for so many years were beyond ridiculous.

by **Timmy94** » Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:24 pm

argentino78 wrote:I can think of U2.
They weren't awarded big time with their best albums back in the 80s and 90s and now the Academy seems to compensate that, giving them a lot of awards for their post 2000 albums (which are their worst IMO).

You remember that they received Album Of The Year in the late 80s? So I wouldn't say that they were snubbed at their beginning and for their 90s, critics weren't feeling them which is why their award schedule in that time is rather empty.

@Alison Krauss: She got 29 awards, not 27!

@danbarj: Could you explain your last post?
I somehow didn't get it :oops:

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by **VoReason** » Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:10 pm

You can't say Alison Krauss has too many if you don't know her music haha! That's ridiculous!

But yeah, I love Bey/Alicia/Kanye to death, but I personally think they receive a lot more than they should! Hats off too them though, they always have outstanding music!

by **tada** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:37 am

VoReason wrote:You can't say Alison Krauss has too many if you don't know her music haha! That's ridiculous!

But yeah, I love Bey/Alicia/Kanye to death, but I personally think they receive a lot more than they should! Hats off too them though, they always have outstanding music!

i don't think they got many actually, there are many categories rather they can..could have...won easily, i mean r'n'b field and general ones. They got also collaborative potential, which also explains it all

by **tada** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:38 am

VoReason wrote:You can't say Alison Krauss has too many if you don't know her music haha! That's ridiculous!

But yeah, I love Bey/Alicia/Kanye to death, but I personally think they receive a lot more than they should! Hats off too them though, they always have outstanding music!

i don't think they got many actually, there are many categories rather they can..could have...won easily, i mean r'n'b field and general ones. They got also collaborative potential, which also explains it all
....and who knows...they were snubbed with their latest records, so academics don't give a shhh :evil:

by **GUS** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:57 am

VoReason wrote:You can't say Alison Krauss has too many if you don't know her music haha! That's ridiculous!

She has an outstanding amount of Grammy awards... I can't really say if she deserves them or not but I suspect she MIGHT be overrated. I mean, she should be a huge American legend/icon by now!

I just suspect that... too many awards!

by **VoReason** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:01 am

argentino78 wrote:
VoReason wrote:You can't say Alison Krauss has too many if you don't know her music haha! That's ridiculous!
She has an outstanding amount of Grammy awards... I can't really say if she deserves them or not but I suspect she MIGHT be overrated. I mean, she should be a huge American legend/icon by now!

I just suspect that... too many awards!

She is a legend in country music, just not as mainstream as Garth and co. Also, she's been collecting these awards for the last 22 years.

Website · by **crazy4bk** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:10 am

There are several artists who have tons of Grammys that you may never have heard of, It doesn't mean they are overrated.

I think the Grammy awards reward artists who are either commercial/or have the ability to be commercial, Along with some critical acclaim.

by **GUS** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:14 am

crazy4bk wrote:There are several artists who have tons of Grammys that you may never have heard of, It doesn't mean they are overrated.

I think the Grammy awards reward artists who are either commercial/or have the ability to be commercial, Along with some critical acclaim.

Of course. I just "suspected"... Alisson is blue grass I understand... A genre very related to country, right?

by **Timmy94** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:25 am

Actually she even has more Grammys for her country records than for her bluegrass records.
I guess she's so huge in her branch not just because she's critically acclaimed but also because she's the most known artist in a genre which is pretty small.
There are e.g. times when the best-selling Bluegrass album of the week is out of the top 100 on Billboard 200. That's what Alison Krauss profits from because every time she releases a new album, the award is almost a given.
In most cases, there is a very limited number of submissions of bluegrass albums before the Grammy nominations are revealed, doubt they are more than 10-15...
Of course it's way more complicated to do similiar in the pop categories :wink:

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So once a bluegrass artist connects to the main crowd and has the pop definition of success, there'll be no serious competition... Same for other smaller genres like Latin or Gospel!

by **Lioha** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:36 am

argentino78 wrote:
VoReason wrote:You can't say Alison Krauss has too many if you don't know her music haha! That's ridiculous!
She has an outstanding amount of Grammy awards... I can't really say if she deserves them or not but I suspect she MIGHT be overrated. I mean, she should be a huge American legend/icon by now!

I just suspect that... too many awards!

Alison is amazing! I adore her voice and love her music both solo and with The Union Station very much.
So do the Americans. Despite recording albums in a non-mainstream genre she has 5 Gold albums, 1 Platinum album and 2 2xPlatinum albums. Also she has a buch of other awards, not like just she's only Grammy's sweetheart.
As for Grammy she has awards not only in Bluegrass and Country fields, but also as an instrumentalist and as a producer for other artists albums.

by **danbarj** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:41 pm

GUYS...

Bluegrass is a sub-genre of country! It's country music!

She has dominated in those categories (country related, including bluegrass) because she makes excellent music.

TBH, this also does make me happy they have slimmed down the genre awards... too much going on with all of that!

by **TIfan** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:00 pm

I think everyone who has 10 Grammy's plus deserves them. Its not right to say someone is overrated because everyone has fans. Sales aren't everything.

by **Timmy94** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:28 pm

TIfan wrote:I think everyone who has 10 Grammy's plus deserves them. Its not right to say someone is overrated because everyone has fans. Sales aren't everything.

What do you mean with fans?
The Grammys are not a fan award...

by **Titan3510** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:08 pm

TIfan wrote:I think everyone who has 10 Grammy's plus deserves them. Its not right to say someone is overrated because everyone has fans. Sales aren't everything.

What do you mean?

Because to me, you're saying that everyone who has 10 or more Grammies deserves them whereas everyone who has less than 10 don't.

And then you go on to talk about being overrated and sales?

Like, I'm like seriously lost...

What are you trying to say?

by **Timmy94** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:46 pm

He said that everyone with 10 or more awards deserves them, not that everyone with less than 10 awards doesn't deserve them. That was your interpretation...

by **NothingFails** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:51 pm

Timmy94 wrote:
argentino78 wrote:I can think of U2.
They weren't awarded big time with their best albums back in the 80s and 90s and now the Academy seems to compensate that, giving them a lot of awards for their post 2000 albums (which are their worst IMO).
You remember that they received Album Of The Year in the late 80s? So I wouldn't say that they were snubbed at their beginning and for their 90s, critics weren't feeling them which is why their award schedule in that time is rather empty.

I give you them winning in 1987 for Joshua Tree. But in hindsight, Achtung Baby is now also regarded as an all-time classic album and U2 were all but snubbed back then.

Some others IMO who were snubbed in their day and win awards later in their career as consolation prizes:
Eric Clapton (his best work was with Cream and Derek And The Dominos, never won then), Prince (has won more Grammys in the last ten years than he did at all during his 80's glory days. Future Baby Mama won awards and Sign O' The Times didn't? mmmkay lol), Robert Plant (Raising Sand got great reviews, but it was still at the end of the day an apology for all those snubs he had with Led Zeppelin)

by **Timmy94** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:13 pm

Perhaps they are regarded as classics now and weren't at the time of release. And even if they were huge in their respective years, there could've been ones which were huger (not just in terms of impact/sales but also quality/music).

by **fearlesswift13** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:12 pm

Allison Kraus is a legend maybe she doesn't deserve 29 grammys but she is one of my favorite vocalists just listen to this song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SCOimBo5tg&ob=av2n
or this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZbN_nmxAGk
or this one too lol I could list her entire song collection but I'll stick with these three :wink:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DeQzeou4lM

There is a reason why her sales are alot lower than other artists and its because of the lack of bluegrass play on country radio today. Trust me she is the real deal 8-)

by **Titan3510** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:14 am

Alison Krauss does make really good music. Well...good bluegrass music I should say.

Let's see if Adele can top what Krauss has got going on. Because Adele's new album is supposed to draw heavily from bluegrass and other country-western stylings.

by **summer** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:39 am

frisbee wrote:I didn't like the way they handled Whitney's tribute. It was so...meh. Last year they had five successful female artists do a tribute for Aretha Franklin - who is alive and kicking (bless her).

And Diana Ross was looking very happy.

This! I also noticed Diana glowing...

by **NorfolkScot** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:55 am

Well the Grammys have given Adele one massive boost, this weeks sales are expected between 650-680K.

by **Timmy94** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:18 am

Titan3510 wrote:Let's see if Adele can top what Krauss has got going on. Because Adele's new album is supposed to draw heavily from bluegrass and other country-western stylings.

Maybe I've been a bit conservative but Im surprised how many people see Adele having a major career.
She's having an unbelievable successful time at the moment but this doesn't mean that a legendary career is a given.
People thought so about Alanis Morissette and Norah Jones, so while it of course can happen, it can't be said at this point...

by **NothingFails** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:23 am

Timmy94 wrote:
Titan3510 wrote:Let's see if Adele can top what Krauss has got going on. Because Adele's new album is supposed to draw heavily from bluegrass and other country-western stylings.

Maybe I've been a bit conservative but Im surprised how many people see Adele having a major career.
She's having an unbelievable successful time at the moment but this doesn't mean that a legendary career is a given.
People thought so about Alanis Morissette and Norah Jones, so while it of course can happen, it can't be said at this point...

Personally I think it's a smart idea of Adele to do this. I'm sure she is aware that "21" is an unduplicable success and its smart to try something new for the next album instead of trying to retread what worked before. IMO its the mark of a great artist. Even with Alanis, Supposed Former Infatuation Junkie is miles apart from Jagged Little Pill in style and theme, and it was probably smart she didn't try to clone the most successful album because nobody in their right mind would've expected her to match or even come close to that success again. I wish Adele luck on her future endeavors.

by **Classicrock** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:14 pm

VoReason wrote:
argentino78 wrote:
VoReason wrote:You can't say Alison Krauss has too many if you don't know her music haha! That's ridiculous!
She has an outstanding amount of Grammy awards... I can't really say if she deserves them or not but I suspect she MIGHT be overrated. I mean, she should be a huge American legend/icon by now!

I just suspect that... too many awards!
She is a legend in country music, just not as mainstream as Garth and co. Also, she's been collecting these awards for the last 22 years.

Not only does she dominate a the blue-grass genre but seems to move effortlessly between genres(Raising Sand) and is selective with whom she colloborates with. BTW Raising Sand #2 was cancelled because she and Plant felt it did not meet their standards

She is a worldclass fiddler player and has a wonderful voice to boot. She maybe overrated in terms of awards, only because nobody can possibly be underrated with so many awards. But she is vastly underrated in terms of appreciation with general public as has been pointed out