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Aussies will be looking forward to snatch the first position from South Africa, though, I believe South Africa will retain 1st position as they will play Two Test Matches against Bangladesh next month. Interesting to see England on spot leaving behind India and West Indies. If West Indies wins the Test Series, they will leave grab 6th position. Pakistan have to climb a mountain.
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Australia can move back to the top of the ICC Test Championship if it wins the Cable and Wireless series against West Indies which begins on Thursday 10th April.
Having asserted its dominance of the One-Day International game last month by retaining the ICC Cricket World Cup without losing a match, Australia can now focus on overhauling South Africa at the top of the Test rankings.
A series win for Australia will boost its points tally to 21 from 13 series, taking its average up to 1.62 which is crucially 0.03 higher than South Africa's current average.
West Indies currently lies seventh in the ICC Test Championship with an average of 0.88. If Brian Lara's team can win the series it will boost this average to 0.94, taking West Indies above India to sixth place in the table.
The last time Australia toured the Caribbean in 1999 the series was drawn 2-2. A tie this time around will see both sides retain their current positions in the table.
ICC Test Championship Table, 9th April 2003
| Code: | Team Played Won Lost Drawn Points Average
South Africa 17 13 3 1 27 1.59
Australia 13 9 2 2 20 1.54
New Zealand 17 8 5 4 20 1.18
Sri Lanka 16 8 6 2 18 1.13
England 16 6 6 4 16 1.00
India 15 5 6 4 14 0.93
West Indies 17 7 9 1 15 0.88
Pakistan 16 4 8 4 12 0.75
Zimbabwe 16 3 11 2 8 0.50
Bangladesh 7 - 7 - 0 - |
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Yeah it seems as if South Africa have to do very little to retain the top spot of the ICC Test Match Table - no offence to Bangladesh. New Zealand will probably be looking to make a challenge for the top spot - but seeing as they ain't playing at the moment that may be a little tough! And having said that the gap between the top 2 and the rest is probably too far for any other side to catch at least for probably this year anyway - Australia and South Africa are far and beyond the best two nations in the world. As for the rest well Pakistan and India will be the teams who will really be looking to climb i think - India after their achievement of reaching the final in the World Cup and their success at the moment against South Africa in the One-Day game(s) and Pakistan due to their bouncing back after a somewhat disapointing World Cup. Sri Lanka seem to be in freefall at the moment and i think the West Indies and England would have certainly be looking to gain and win their next series' as thry both went out of the World Cup in the early stages but neither due to playing back cricket (more due to weather and politics) but they both have to play Australia and South Africa respectively - they will have to play some excellent cricket to beat both those sides. As for Zimbabwe well i think they will be looking to avoid falling into a winnless streak like Bangladesh - and as for Bangladesh well i think they should stop playing Test Cricket for a while and concentrate on getting their team together and sort out some consistancy in their ranks - they need to sort themselves out.
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2003 7:45 pm |
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Aussies top ICC Championship Table. England needs to win both Test matches against Zimbabwe to improve their rank. West Indies went down one spot after losing Test series against Aussies. Pakistan moved one spot up without playing a Test match. Hilarious ratings of ICC.  Rest of the team spots remained same.
ICC relaunches Test Championship
Wisden CricInfo staff - 21 May 2003
The International Cricket Council has announced a relaunch of its Test Championship in the light of South Africa's elevation to top spot last year at a time Australia were universally regarded as the best side in the world.
Whereas the old calculations were based on simple series win/draw/loss points, the new Championship relies on a complex weighting system, and each Test will count rather than just the series result.
"The original ICC Test Championship was launched in May 2001 and we stated at the time that we would monitor its application," Malcolm Speed, president of the ICC told reporters at Lord's for the relaunch. "That process has now been completed and the revised points system provides a fair reflection of the achievements of all ten full members."
England's two-match npower series with Zimbabwe is the first to count towards the re-launched Championship. England need to win the series 2-0 to improve their rating, while a 1-0 win will keep them unchanged on 97 while a draw will cause them to fall to 95.
If England lose 2-0 they will narrowly hold on to fifth place in the table. That outcome would give Zimbabwe's rating a massive boost to 67, and even a drawn series would extend their lead over Bangladesh by four points.
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1 (1) Australia 129
2 (2) South Africa 115
3 (3) New Zealand 103
4 (4) Sri Lanka 101
5 (5) England 97
6 (6) India 91
7 (8) Pakistan 91
8 (7) West Indies 79
9 (9) Zimbabwe 59
10 (10) Bangladesh 4 |
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Well i reckon that this is a much better format of the table, this way every single Test Match actually matters and perhaps it will give Australia that little nudge in the ass that they needed to try and win Test Matches once they have won the series!
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ICC calculated some pts from 199 & 2000 Test series, gave 3 addition pts to India, which have now moved up to 5th position.
Aussies are rolling............
India move up to fifth place in Test rankings
The Indian fans who took umbrage at India's drop to eighth place in the ICC's latest ODI rankings can take heart from the Test ratings. India have moved up one spot to fifth place in the ICC Test table. In the latest update to the table, India have gained three points for a tally of 94, primarily because results from the period August 1999 to July 2000 were dropped off. India lost five out of eight Tests during that year - a 0-3 drubbing in Australia was followed by a 0-2 whitewash at home against South Africa.
Meanwhile, England, who lock horns with South Africa in a five-Test, have a chance to make some big moves in the rankings. Even if they win the series 1-0, they will supplant New Zealand in third place on the table. This comes about because results from three years ago drop off the official table, and that includes the 2-1 series victory New Zealand achieved over England in 1999.
To move to second, England needs to achieve at least a 4-0 series win. This is despite the fact that in the re-shaping of the championship South Africa are the team to have benefitted most. South Africa could consolidate its place on the table by winning the series. But even if it were to achieve an improbable whitewash of England it would not be sufficient to overhaul the rampant Australians in top position.
When the update occurs on August 1, the positions will be: (with rating change in brackets) | Code: | 1 Australia 129 points (presuming it beats Bangladesh in second Test starting Friday in Cairns) (0),
2 South Africa 119 (+ 4),
3 New Zealand 107 (+ 3),
4 England 101 (+ 3),
5 India 94 (+ 3),
6 Sri Lanka 91 (- 6),
7 Pakistan 90 (- 1),
8 West Indies 83 (+ 1),
9 Zimbabwe 58 (0),
10 Bangladesh (-2). |
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What the....now that makes no sense what so ever! How on earth did India manage to climb - but it doesn't matter anyway as their next series is against New Zealand and then against Australia so things should even themselves out.  Though they probably did actually climb due to the fact that The West Indies beat Sri Lanks and Sri Lanka dropped of the pace a bit. I'm gonna go ahead and say i think England will manage to get a 4-0 win and get second - or at least manage to take 3rd place from New Zealand. Elsewhere Pakistan and The West Indies don't play for a while as do neither India, New Zealand, Zimbabwe or Sri Lanka so things could be pretty much "as you were" for a fair while. At least until the end of the year i don't think there will be much change. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2003 5:51 pm |
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The Latest ICC Test Championship Table
Pakistan has improved their ranking from 7th to 5th position. England could moved upto 3rd position if they whitewash Bangladesh. And if Pomps won the Test series against Sri lanka, England could be at 2nd spot.
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Okay no surprise to see Pakistan climb after they beat the side ranked number 2 - says it all doesn't it - how badly the system is screwed. I have to say that the West Indies will get the recognition they deserve when they beat South Africa as South Africa will still be ranked in the top 3 at the time - hence The West Indies will be seen to have beaten a good side. But when of course they lose that South Africa will drop down. England should whitewash Bangladesh taking them for the mean time into the top 3 and their series with Sri Lanka makes it quite a match up - England have a lot to gain but so do Sri Lanka though if Sri Lanka lose they could well be the bottom of the major Test playing nations. As for the bottom 2 well Zimbabwe without either of the Flowers are in serious trouble and Bangladesh missed their chance against Pakistan.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 9:04 pm |
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| Code: | Team Tests Won Lost Drawn Tied Win %
Australia 645 289 174 180 2 62.15
West Indies 401 147 115 138 1 55.89
Pakistan 297 91 74 132 0 55.15
England 814 277 238 299 0 53.78
South Africa 281 90 101 90 0 47.12
Sri Lanka 134 32 52 50 0 38.09
India 368 74 122 171 1 37.56
New Zealand 305 53 119 133 0 30.81
Zimbabwe 71 7 40 24 0 14.89
Bangladesh 26 0 25 1 0 0.00
TOTAL 1671 1060 1060 609 2 |
Pakistanis are inches away to clinch the 2nd position in the Test Cricket(currently held by the West Indies). Australians are above high! Interesting to see England above South Africa.
HOME TESTS | Code: | Team Tests Won Lost Drawn Tied Win %
Pakistan 133 49 18 66 0 73.13
West Indies 180 71 34 75 0 67.61
Australia 333 180 86 66 1 67.41
England 412 154 100 158 0 60.62
Sri Lanka 66 24 17 25 0 58.53
India 192 56 43 92 1 56.00
South Africa 153 58 50 45 0 53.70
New Zealand 146 33 48 65 0 40.74
Zimbabwe 36 5 16 15 0 23.80
Bangladesh 11 0 10 1 0 0.00
TOTAL 1662 630 422 608 2 |
In Home Tests, Pakistanis lead the most win %(does that mean other teams don't wanna visit Pakistan because of Pakistan's win %?  ) West Indies and Australia have a difference of only .20%. WOW. If Aussies beat the Indians in the remaining, they might move upto 2nd position or probably at first which depends on result.
AWAY TESTS | Code: | Team Tests Won Lost Drawn Tied Win %
Australia 306 104 88 113 1 53.88
West Indies 219 76 79 63 1 48.71
England 402 123 138 141 0 47.12
Pakistan 158 39 53 66 0 42.39
South Africa 125 32 49 44 0 39.50
New Zealand 159 20 71 68 0 21.97
Sri Lanka 67 8 34 25 0 19.04
India 176 18 79 79 0 18.55
Zimbabwe 35 2 24 9 0 7.69
Bangladesh 15 0 15 0 0 0.00
TOTAL 1662 422 630 608 2 |
In away Test matches, Australians lead the table with West Indies and England at 2nd and 3rd spot respectively.
NEUTRAL TESTS | Code: | Team Tests Won Lost Drawn Tied Win %
Australia 6 5 0 1 0 100.00
Pakistan 6 3 3 0 0 50.00
West Indies 2 0 2 0 0 0.00
South Africa 3 0 2 1 0 0.00
Sri Lanka 1 0 1 0 0 0.00
TOTAL 9 8 8 1 0 |
In Neutral Tests, Australians tops the table with Pakistan on second. Only Aussies and Pakistanis have won the neutral Test games.
Insteresting to see Proteas couldn't make it to the top 3 spot in any of Test match category.
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Yeah that's all to do with the all-time records though of course you have to take into consideration such things like England and Australia have all obviously played more cricket than anyone else and that South Africa were banned from the ICC for 30 years, that nobody sends full strength squads to Pakistan anymore as no players want to travel there etc etc...
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Get out travel issue blah blah phobia, Man. Australia and England, despite of playing more Test games at home are behind Pakistan, which is actually quite disappointing(whether you take Aussies or England views)
Even though South Africa were banned from ICC but they actually lost more Test games(if you look at All-Test prespective) even with fine skippers like Shaun Pollock and Hanse Cronje.
I think in a year or two, Pakistan, Australia and West Indies will be competing with eachother. England aren't far behind either.
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| Lynx wrote: | | Get out travel issue blah blah phobia, Man. Australia and England, despite of playing more Test games at home are behind Pakistan, which is actually quite disappointing(whether you take Aussies or England views) |
Yeah i thought you may have gotten onto your old highhorse there Lynx... | Lynx wrote: | | Even though South Africa were banned from ICC but they actually lost more Test games(if you look at All-Test prespective) even with fine skippers like Shaun Pollock and Hanse Cronje. |
Yeah i think you misunderstood what i meant - sorry it was my fault as you probably don't know the full history behind this. Basically the (South African) side of the 1970's which had the likes of Mike Proctar, Barry Richards, the Pollock brothers etc etc were unbelievable - had they have gone on to keep playing as a team they would have probably been the greatest team in history - as hard as it is to believe they did tour Australia in what little time they did play and they whitewashed Australia 4 - 0! What i mean was had they have actually continued on with that team then they certainly would have had a much better record. | Lynx wrote: | | I think in a year or two, Pakistan, Australia and West Indies will be competing with eachother. England aren't far behind either. |
Nah once Brian is gone it'll be hard for the West Indies, maybe yes in the direct future but in the long term its gonna take a lot of hard work - but its certainly a possibilty yes. England - possibly? Only if their selectors take their feet out of their backside and play their best sides...as for Pakistan i completely disagree - they will have to face the full strength squads when they themselves tour and the true success of the side will then be shown. Well as for home well it depends on what the situation in Pakistan is....
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Hmmm Lara will stick around for another 6-7 years and I think under his captaicy, the Bad Boys will be back. West Indies have talent, potential and youngsters who are willing to show what they got.
England will be in a hunt. I agree with you on the selection part but however, England has rebuild it self very good after World Cup 03.
Pakistan, they too are a great side. I knew the Pakistan side will be back to its good old days when they appointed Javed Miandad as Coach but never thought they would be so soon. They figured out opening pair slot. Shoaib Akhtar has stopped running his mouth. Mohammad Sami is a fine bowler. Pakistan have all-rounders such as Abdul Razzaq and Shoaib Malik and Living Legend Inzamam-ul-Haq and Yousuf Youhana in the middle. So, I think Pakistan is the side that can compete with the Aussies. I could have said New Zealand and then Pakistan but it's sad Shane Bond is not recovering soon  and also Kiwis blew a simple chance of defeating Aussies in the World Cup 
As for home test, Pakistan are going to host India in Feb 04(and I'm going to watch with my Pakistani/Indian homies )and after that Pakistan side will mostly be touring other nations. Gotta hold on to..New Sensation...A New Sensation.
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Brian Lara is almost 35 years old Lynx!
As for Pakistan well what the hell has happened to Inzamam as of late - he just didn't play towards the end of the last series did he? Anyway apart from that they have problems - still a lack of experience with so many new players at once and let's face it the leadership of the side just seems to be thrown around these days - along with who actually plays - there is no consistancy. Plus Pakistan have built up a false sense of hope by beating weakened sides and giving themselves belief that they are capable of beating the big boys - i.e. Australia, New Zealand, West Indies, England etc etc...
As for England and The West Indies well it could be an interesting battle which actually could end up between the pair of them - i mean they both are bringing loads of youth into the side and England have already lost long running players recently and the West Indies now have a few players coming towards the end of their careers too. Also don't rule out a revitalised Zimbabwe from coming into this equation - i know it sounds mad but they have been great as of late.
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| Deadman wrote: | | Brian Lara is almost 35 years old Lynx! |
Age doesn't matter. It's the fitness that counts. | Deadman wrote: | | As for Pakistan well what the hell has happened to Inzamam as of late - he just didn't play towards the end of the last series did he? |
No. He did play to the end but did skip one ODI and a Test due to injury. That's about it. Also, he does bring good luck to Pakistan. Nearly 90% Pakistan has won the toss under his leadership. Many have argued he ain't a choice to lead the side but I think with Javed Miandad as a Coach(who has played Cricket with Inzi), there's less likely chance of lack of leadership in Pakistan side. But then you look at the number of Test matches Pakistan have won despite of having so much trouble among the players, match fixing etc etc. Doesn't that amazed you? | Deadman wrote: | | Anyway apart from that they have problems - still a lack of experience with so many new players at once and let's face it the leadership of the side just seems to be thrown around these days - along with who actually plays - there is no consistancy. |
If you said about consistency of Pakistan five or six months from now, I'd have agreed with you. Consistencty may not be there but they(Pakistan) are working ont it.
And this is the side who's very unpredictable in Cricket and that is what attract me most to follow them. | Deadman wrote: | | Plus Pakistan have built up a false sense of hope by beating weakened sides and giving themselves belief that they are capable of beating the big boys - i.e. Australia, New Zealand, West Indies, England etc etc... |
ahem...why ruled out South Africa? Pakistan beat them in a Test series.
Whao..wait up. It's my belif not Pakistan's. They've gotta talent from the middle order to the bowling department. Pakistan do lack experience at the top but the way two young openers performed against South Africa, it was an unbelieveable effort by them.
As for false sense of hope, I disagree with you there. It wasn't Pakistan's fault to face Bangladesh and hindicapped New Zealand side after WC, was it? | Deadman wrote: | | As for England and The West Indies well it could be an interesting battle which actually could end up between the pair of them - i mean they both are bringing loads of youth into the side and England have already lost long running players recently and the West Indies now have a few players coming towards the end of their careers too. Also don't rule out a revitalised Zimbabwe from coming into this equation - i know it sounds mad but they have been great as of late. |
Zimbabwe is a gamble choice. Once they win a tournament, it will be a huge advantage for them to rebuild on that victory template.
England will be in a good shape in the upcoming years. What afraid me is the lack of leadership by Micheal Vaughan. He has not impressed me at all.
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[quote="Deadman"] | Lynx wrote: | | Deadman wrote: | | Brian Lara is almost 35 years old Lynx! |
Age doesn't matter. It's the fitness that counts. |
Yeah okay fair enough but playing at the age of 42? That would be quite something - i'm not doubting he wouldn't be capable - quite the contrary - look at Steve Waugh - lots of great players have to come to the greates parts of their careers (though with Brian that really would be asking a lot) towards the end of it but the thing is, is that he himself will probably want to call it a day soon and want to go out on a high note. | Lynx wrote: | | Deadman wrote: | | As for Pakistan well what the hell has happened to Inzamam as of late - he just didn't play towards the end of the last series did he? |
No. He did play to the end but did skip one ODI and a Test due to injury. That's about it. Also, he does bring good luck to Pakistan. Nearly 90% Pakistan has won the toss under his leadership. Many have argued he ain't a choice to lead the side but I think with Javed Miandad as a Coach(who has played Cricket with Inzi), there's less likely chance of lack of leadership in Pakistan side. But then you look at the number of Test matches Pakistan have won despite of having so much trouble among the players, match fixing etc etc. Doesn't that amazed you? |
Well i dunno - Pakistan don't really have any sort of a leader in their ranks to be honest...
As for being amazed well no to be honest i am not. I am amazed at the likes of Australia who have done so incredibly well with so many injuries but i certainly ain't been impressed with Pakistan and certain players of their's running their mouths on how well they did in playing sides with major and key players missing. | Lynx wrote: | | Deadman wrote: | | Anyway apart from that they have problems - still a lack of experience with so many new players at once and let's face it the leadership of the side just seems to be thrown around these days - along with who actually plays - there is no consistancy. |
If you said about consistency of Pakistan five or six months from now, I'd have agreed with you. Consistencty may not be there but they(Pakistan) are working ont it.
And this is the side who's very unpredictable in Cricket and that is what attract me most to follow them. |
Well okay yeah they are working on it and yeah it is improving but its all false hope as they are yet to play sides with full teams available for selection in their matches.
Also they are unpredictable - but eventually it will show through when they play the better sides with full strength teams. | Lynx wrote: | | Deadman wrote: | | Plus Pakistan have built up a false sense of hope by beating weakened sides and giving themselves belief that they are capable of beating the big boys - i.e. Australia, New Zealand, West Indies, England etc etc... |
ahem...why ruled out South Africa? Pakistan beat them in a Test series. |
If that was meant to be sarcastic i don't think you quite got it right - Pakistan and The West Indies ain't played in some 3 years or so and Australia and England both beat Pakistan in their previous meetings - so i wasn't mentioning sides that have recently lost to them - quite the opposite actually.
Anyhow at the moment South Africa are completely gone - they have a lot of problems off the field and they have problems with selection and with confidence. | Lynx wrote: | | Whao..wait up. It's my belif not Pakistan's. They've gotta talent from the middle order to the bowling department. Pakistan do lack experience at the top but the way two young openers performed against South Africa, it was an unbelieveable effort by them. |
Nah its more than that - there are too many new faces in the side - or more to the point there are too many new faces coming with nobody to guide the side through - its okay to build for the future but you also have to have a stabalised side for the current time which Pakistan don't. | Lynx wrote: | | As for false sense of hope, I disagree with you there. It wasn't Pakistan's fault to face Bangladesh and hindicapped New Zealand side after WC, was it? |
Well i didn't actually say it was their fault but maybe it indeed was...possibly instead of threatening to sue the likes of New Zealand and South Africa they possibly could have discussed holding the games in a nuetral venue etc etc to try and improve the situation. | Lynx wrote: | | Deadman wrote: | | As for England and The West Indies well it could be an interesting battle which actually could end up between the pair of them - i mean they both are bringing loads of youth into the side and England have already lost long running players recently and the West Indies now have a few players coming towards the end of their careers too. Also don't rule out a revitalised Zimbabwe from coming into this equation - i know it sounds mad but they have been great as of late. |
Zimbabwe is a gamble choice. Once they win a tournament, it will be a huge advantage for them to rebuild on that victory template. |
Yeah okay but recently they did come very close against The West Indies. | Lynx wrote: | England will be in a good shape in the upcoming years. What afraid me is the lack of leadership by Micheal Vaughan. He has not impressed me at all.
West Indies will be back. Trust me Fidel Edwards is the man! |
I definately agree about The West Indies and Fidel. As for Michael well i think he is taking to the role of captain - he is improving as he goes along and he is certainly gaining more and more experience in leading the side.
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| Deadman wrote: | | Yeah okay fair enough but playing at the age of 42? That would be quite something - i'm not doubting he wouldn't be capable - quite the contrary - look at Steve Waugh - lots of great players have to come to the greates parts of their careers (though with Brian that really would be asking a lot) towards the end of it but the thing is, is that he himself will probably want to call it a day soon and want to go out on a high note. |
I still think Brian Lara will be able to play at age 40 or 42. If not, then the leadership could go to Ramesh Sarwan. | Deadman wrote: | Well i dunno - Pakistan don't really have any sort of a leader in their ranks to be honest...
As for being amazed well no to be honest i am not. I am amazed at the likes of Australia who have done so incredibly well with so many injuries but i certainly ain't been impressed with Pakistan and certain players of their's running their mouths on how well they did in playing sides with major and key players missing. |
Dude, you are confused. I am talking about Test performace as a whole. I agree Pakistan side don't have the leader since the departure of Imran Khan but they do have best record in Test Cricket at home even with the lack of leadership. Remember which side won the Super Chanllenge tournament in 2002 in Australia? | Deadman wrote: | | Well okay yeah they are working on it and yeah it is improving but its all false hope as they are yet to play sides with full teams available for selection in their matches. |
False hope concept it's yours not mine. | Deadman wrote: | | Also they are unpredictable - but eventually it will show through when they play the better sides with full strength teams. |
Yeah they are playing with New Zealand and India later. We'll see. | Deadman wrote: | If that was meant to be sarcastic i don't think you quite got it right - Pakistan and The West Indies ain't played in some 3 years or so and Australia and England both beat Pakistan in their previous meetings - so i wasn't mentioning sides that have recently lost to them - quite the opposite actually.
Anyhow at the moment South Africa are completely gone - they have a lot of problems off the field and they have problems with selection and with confidence. |
No I wasn't sarcastic. Proteas did have strong batting and bowling lineup than Pakistan and they lost.
And yeah I do agree with you. South African side seems to be done. | Deadman wrote: | | Nah its more than that - there are too many new faces in the side - or more to the point there are too many new faces coming with nobody to guide the side through - its okay to build for the future but you also have to have a stabalised side for the current time which Pakistan don't. |
No body to guide the new faces? Whao...what happened to Javed Miandad? Isn't he enough to Coach the youngsters? Taufee Umer and Imran Farhat just proved that in PAK-SA Test series. | Deadman wrote: | | Well i didn't actually say it was their fault but maybe it indeed was...possibly instead of threatening to sue the likes of New Zealand and South Africa they possibly could have discussed holding the games in a nuetral venue etc etc to try and improve the situation. |
Well, I think it's fair. Why would PCB hold games in neutral venues when they can provide security? It's been proven. Again, I repeat I've read/heard nothing gone bad during the games. Oh yeah, Proteas did come with full strength squad and nothing happened. | Deadman wrote: | | I definately agree about The West Indies and Fidel. As for Michael well i think he is taking to the role of captain - he is improving as he goes along and he is certainly gaining more and more experience in leading the side. |
Yeah, he's gaining the experience of both losing and winning but certainly at this point of rebuilding after WC, I think Nassir Hussian would be better to lead and Micheal Vaughan as a Vice Captain. But oh well, good luck to Pomps
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| Lynx wrote: | | I still think Brian Lara will be able to play at age 40 or 42. If not, then the leadership could go to Ramesh Sarwan. |
Yeah i agree that Ramnaresh will take over the captaincy - well he should do anyway - but he has to keep up his form of earlier this year. | Lynx wrote: | | Dude, you are confused. I am talking about Test performace as a whole. I agree Pakistan side don't have the leader since the departure of Imran Khan but they do have best record in Test Cricket at home even with the lack of leadership. Remember which side won the Super Chanllenge tournament in 2002 in Australia? |
Well i dunno - i would say that Wasim was okay captain - he certainly did have the experience though Waqar was a complete joke and inevitably lost his place in the side. | Lynx wrote: | | Lynx wrote: | | Deadman wrote: | | Well okay yeah they are working on it and yeah it is improving but its all false hope as they are yet to play sides with full teams available for selection in their matches. |
False hope concept it's yours not mine. |
| Deadman wrote: | | Also they are unpredictable - but eventually it will show through when they play the better sides with full strength teams. |
Yeah they are playing with New Zealand and India later. We'll see. |
Yeah let's wait and see. | Lynx wrote: | No I wasn't sarcastic. Proteas did have strong batting and bowling lineup than Pakistan and they lost.
And yeah I do agree with you. South African side seems to be done. |
Yeah okay maybe so but they are now in complete turmoil to be honest - i mean where the hell do they go from here? | Lynx wrote: | | No body to guide the new faces? Whao...what happened to Javed Miandad? Isn't he enough to Coach the youngsters? Taufee Umer and Imran Farhat just proved that in PAK-SA Test series. |
Nah i mean players - with all those who got axed and then also players who had experience all retiring the players are all quite young and inexperienced. | Deadman wrote: | | Well, I think it's fair. Why would PCB hold games in neutral venues when they can provide security? |
Well Lynx the way the game is going its gonna end up that they either start playing games in Nuteral grounds or they will play just as a touring side as more and more nations are skeptical about playing there. | Lynx wrote: | | Yeah, he's gaining the experience of both losing and winning but certainly at this point of rebuilding after WC, I think Nassir Hussian would be better to lead and Micheal Vaughan as a Vice Captain. But oh well, good luck to Pomps |
Yeah agreed 100% there Lynx - he would have learnt sooo much as vice captain of the side but stupidly England had this habbit of never naming a vice-captain for some reason - i think it was to quash rumours that Nasser was retiring and all of that.
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