Non-native English speakers... what about our English?

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Postby Graham76man » Sat Jun 30, 2012 12:01 pm

JSparksFan wrote:I always find it hilarious when non-native English speakers speak better English than their native English speaking counterparts. :lol: And that happens more often than you'd think too.
Heh up love! I'd dunno wat tha means?

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Postby stteezy » Tue Sep 04, 2012 7:37 am

For me English is my 3rd language but I speak it more fluently than my 2 other languages, to be honest when I talk to people from england I have noticed their grammar and spelling is off yass, even Americans

For example

Your instead of you are
I love you to instead of too, etc

I speak Afrikaans and Shona, I must say, english is easy, no rules, no words that pertain to one gender etc, in Afrikaans we use what we call S(v1)tomp(v2)i for every sentence

S=subject like me you, the dog; (v1) = first verb; T = time word like today tomorrow; O = object word like a car; M = manner word like quickly; P = place like under the tree; (v2) = second verb; I = infinitve "om te"

So in Afrikaans I'd say
Ek wil môre in 'n voortuig vinning skool toe gang om meer te leer

If you translate that word for word it says
I want tomorrow in a car quickly school to more learn,

So that's where the problem arises for others who didn't have school like mine, trying to put it in a wordorder that makes sense
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Postby biscuits » Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:36 am

Yes, the spelling and grammar of native English speakers in England is shockingly bad.
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Postby Plym » Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:50 pm

biscuits wrote:Yes, the spelling and grammar of native English speakers in England is shockingly bad.
It's no different in Scotland...
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Postby biscuits » Tue Sep 04, 2012 3:05 pm

I think it's the same for all native speakers. My elementary students probably speak/write better English than some of my friends.
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Postby Crazy4Brit » Tue Sep 04, 2012 3:09 pm

biscuits wrote:I think it's the same for all native speakers. My elementary students probably speak/write better English than some of my friends.
You're an elementary teacher? That's cool :P
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Postby biscuits » Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:35 pm

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biscuits wrote:I think it's the same for all native speakers. My elementary students probably speak/write better English than some of my friends.
You're an elementary teacher? That's cool :P
Thanks. :D

People sometimes think elementary means I must teach children. But I actually teach adults whose English is at elementary level (and adults from others levels too). :D

That's why I like this thread - it's very relevant to my job. :)
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Postby Crazy4Brit » Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:35 pm

"People sometimes think elementary means I must teach children."

That's exactly what i thought :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby NoAngels » Wed Sep 05, 2012 9:20 am

biscuits wrote:
Crazy4Brit wrote:
biscuits wrote:I think it's the same for all native speakers. My elementary students probably speak/write better English than some of my friends.
You're an elementary teacher? That's cool :P
Thanks. :D

People sometimes think elementary means I must teach children. But I actually teach adults whose English is at elementary level (and adults from others levels too). :D

That's why I like this thread - it's very relevant to my job. :)
It's really cool how you can actually put up with teaching. I can teach as well (I've graduated from the English department) I can give private courses as well to any subject I studied (My major is phonetics), but I actually can't stand explaining lessons multiple times, I just can't put up with that.

My friend is like me, but he is now teaching at university (Theortical Lingustics, Grammar and Conversation) he says that he LOVES it, and I'm really shocked at how he's capable of teaching this many subjects.
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Postby abi » Wed Sep 05, 2012 2:16 pm

Question, how to pronounce "direction" correctly?

I always thought it was "dee-rection"/"duh-rection" (Google Translate also agrees) but then I heard Jordin Sparks' new song and she pronounced it as "die-rection"?
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Postby stteezy » Wed Sep 05, 2012 5:03 pm

abi wrote:Question, how to pronounce "direction" correctly?

I always thought it was "dee-rection"/"duh-rection" (Google Translate also agrees) but then I heard Jordin Sparks' new song and she pronounced it as "die-rection"?
Yeah its die-rek-shin
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Postby CrazyCrazy » Wed Sep 05, 2012 7:58 pm

I'm reading through the thread! Bless you guys! Things which are so natural and easy for me, you find confusing and stressful! :lol:

No but seriously keep it up guys, you are all doing so well, I'm here if anyone wants advice. :D
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Postby NoAngels » Wed Sep 05, 2012 9:40 pm

abi wrote:Question, how to pronounce "direction" correctly?

I always thought it was "dee-rection"/"duh-rection" (Google Translate also agrees) but then I heard Jordin Sparks' new song and she pronounced it as "die-rection"?
Both are correct.
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Postby Virgostar » Thu Sep 06, 2012 3:19 am

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abi wrote:Question, how to pronounce "direction" correctly?

I always thought it was "dee-rection"/"duh-rection" (Google Translate also agrees) but then I heard Jordin Sparks' new song and she pronounced it as "die-rection"?
Both are correct.
I personally pronounce it "duh-rection", but that could just be my accent.
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Postby biscuits » Thu Sep 06, 2012 10:40 am

abi wrote:Question, how to pronounce "direction" correctly?

I always thought it was "dee-rection"/"duh-rection" (Google Translate also agrees) but then I heard Jordin Sparks' new song and she pronounced it as "die-rection"?
I pronounce it as 'die-rection' too. It just depends on accent.

'duh-rection' sounds a little strange though. There's no 'u' in the word so I don't think it should be pronounced like that.
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Postby DaBoi » Thu Sep 06, 2012 11:28 am

Crazy4Brit wrote:
biscuits wrote:I think it's the same for all native speakers. My elementary students probably speak/write better English than some of my friends.
You're an elementary teacher? That's cool :P
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Postby Crazy4Brit » Thu Sep 06, 2012 7:54 pm

crazycrazy wrote:I'm reading through the thread! Bless you guys! Things which are so natural and easy for me, you find confusing and stressful! :lol:

I didn't know there was a Cambridge teacher on UKMix :roll: :lol:
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Postby CrazyCrazy » Thu Sep 06, 2012 7:59 pm

Crazy4Brit wrote:
crazycrazy wrote:I'm reading through the thread! Bless you guys! Things which are so natural and easy for me, you find confusing and stressful! :lol:

I didn't know there was a Cambridge teacher on UKMix :roll: :lol:
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Postby Virgostar » Thu Sep 06, 2012 11:35 pm

Virgostar wrote:
NoAngels wrote:
abi wrote:Question, how to pronounce "direction" correctly?

I always thought it was "dee-rection"/"duh-rection" (Google Translate also agrees) but then I heard Jordin Sparks' new song and she pronounced it as "die-rection"?
Both are correct.
I personally pronounce it "duh-rection", but that could just be my accent.
Actually, I just thought...I pronounce it both ways methinks. Again, depends on the accent.
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Postby CrazyCrazy » Thu Sep 06, 2012 11:53 pm

die-rek-shhn

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Postby abi » Fri Sep 07, 2012 8:55 am

Oh OK thank you guys, :P but I'd rather stick to 'duh-rection' since it sounds easier. :lol:
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Postby CrazyCrazy » Fri Sep 07, 2012 7:30 pm

abi wrote:'die-rection' since it sounds easier. :lol:
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Postby emilhot » Fri Sep 07, 2012 9:10 pm

I have never heard about duh-rection. It's sounds so weird to me, when i say it to myself like that :lol: If you pronounce it as die-rection, it's clearly right, and i don't think other pronunciations can be considered completely right, but it might be, because i might not quite get how you would actually pronounce it in real life :lol: I'm not a native English speaker though, so my advice is not a fact! :wink: :lol:
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Postby HBIC » Fri Sep 07, 2012 9:25 pm

The correct pronunciation is die-rection, but sometimes here it's duh-rection because of the accent.
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Postby biscuits » Sat Sep 08, 2012 7:48 pm

Crazy4Brit wrote:
crazycrazy wrote:I'm reading through the thread! Bless you guys! Things which are so natural and easy for me, you find confusing and stressful! :lol:

I didn't know there was a Cambridge teacher on UKMix :roll: :lol:
I'm Cambridge qualified. 8-)
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