The Critic ~ Album #13 Review ~ Depeche Mode

Website · by **LonelyDreamer** » Sun Mar 18, 2012 2:56 pm

jio wrote:
KevinScream wrote:Jio, I have tried several songs from Prince... He's just annoying.

Not my cup of tea, really.
Fair enough. You should have said you don't like him and I wouldn't have said a word. But you really can't judge an artist who has released over 30 albums by knowing just "several songs".

Personally I was a MJ fan and Prince annoyed me when I was a kid but then I discovered Prince's music and I am a fan ever since. I am familiar with MJ's albums too (minus the 70s) and I think Prince is far better (although MJ is indeed one of the greats). But that's just my opinion and is as valid (if not more since I am familiar with the discography of both artists) than yours.

Well, we have two completely different opinions... I disagree with you - and I don't think I have to listen a whole discography to know that I dislike his music.

Let's finish this discussion now. I don't want to sound offensive, and I like you.

by **jio** » Sun Mar 18, 2012 4:23 pm

KevinScream wrote:
jio wrote:
KevinScream wrote:Jio, I have tried several songs from Prince... He's just annoying.

Not my cup of tea, really.
Fair enough. You should have said you don't like him and I wouldn't have said a word. But you really can't judge an artist who has released over 30 albums by knowing just "several songs".

Personally I was a MJ fan and Prince annoyed me when I was a kid but then I discovered Prince's music and I am a fan ever since. I am familiar with MJ's albums too (minus the 70s) and I think Prince is far better (although MJ is indeed one of the greats). But that's just my opinion and is as valid (if not more since I am familiar with the discography of both artists) than yours.

Well, we have two completely different opinions... I disagree with you - and I don't think I have to listen a whole discography to know that I dislike his music.

Let's finish this discussion now. I don't want to sound offensive, and I like you.

OK, anyway I am not arguing with you, I quite like you too,,, but I have to defend my man (OK that sounds gay lol), I mean I have to defend Prince...

Website · by **Mylostlenore** » Sun Mar 18, 2012 4:40 pm

Enjoyed the Prince review.

by **NothingFails** » Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:40 pm

jio wrote:
KevinScream wrote:
jio wrote:
KevinScream wrote:Jio, I have tried several songs from Prince... He's just annoying.

Not my cup of tea, really.
Fair enough. You should have said you don't like him and I wouldn't have said a word. But you really can't judge an artist who has released over 30 albums by knowing just "several songs".

Personally I was a MJ fan and Prince annoyed me when I was a kid but then I discovered Prince's music and I am a fan ever since. I am familiar with MJ's albums too (minus the 70s) and I think Prince is far better (although MJ is indeed one of the greats). But that's just my opinion and is as valid (if not more since I am familiar with the discography of both artists) than yours.

Well, we have two completely different opinions... I disagree with you - and I don't think I have to listen a whole discography to know that I dislike his music.

Let's finish this discussion now. I don't want to sound offensive, and I like you.
OK, anyway I am not arguing with you, I quite like you too,,, but I have to defend my man (OK that sounds gay lol), I mean I have to defend Prince...

I agree with you. KevinScreamhas awesome tastes, but I too get defensive when it comes to my Prince.

I'm actually kinda surprised that you don't like him since you like a lot of the other "legendary artist" 80's acts. I figured for sure you'd have some respect and appreciation for Prince's work even if he isn't a fave. But then, nobody likes everything :lol:

But one thing a lot of people do, and it isn't fair... *DO NOT* compare Prince and MJ. Apples and oranges. If you don't like Prince because you were expecting MJ, you're going to be disappointed, they had race, age and popularity in the same era in common, but musically they're vastly different and you can't expect one to be like another. Listen to 1999 or Sign O' The Times as *Prince* albums you might enjoy them, you'll hate them as *Michael Jackson* albums.

by **NothingFails** » Sun Mar 18, 2012 8:26 pm

KevinScream wrote:Prince, a black Bowie? Sorry, but David Bowie is so above it all... and MJ is so superior that there is no parameters to compare him to anyone else in music.

Prince only has a couple of good songs plus "Nothing Compares 2 U" lyrics and that's all.

In "white men from the 70's" terms. Prince is Bowie, a weird genius who has brushes with the mainstream but ultimately who is too avant-garde and anti-mainstream to ever truly align himself with them, while MJ was Elton, a gifted talent who makes equally great pop music but usually stays safe, but manages to rule the world because he owns the competition and makes such brilliant music that everyone can love. Prince, like Bowie in the 70s, would radically change his image and sound overnight at the risk of alienating every fan he had. "Around The World In A Day" following "Purple Rain" is something Bowie would've done (and did do several times) in the 70's.

Give Prince a chance please. If you stop seeing him as "the other black guy who was huge in the 1980s" you might actually enjoy him. If you enjoy Bowie and Kate, you should love Prince, he's closer to those than he is MJ IMO. I've been listening to both since the early 80s when I was little and really skin color is about the only thing I can see that they really had in common. Bowie is my #2 favorite male (MJ is #3), so I know Prince and Bowie's discographies well enough to know Prince is far closer to Bowie than he is to Jackson. Hating Prince for not being MJ is like hating Kate for not being Madonna.

by **NothingFails** » Sun Mar 18, 2012 8:37 pm

and while on the subject, any more reviews soon? :lol:

by **CrazyCrazy** » Sun Mar 18, 2012 8:41 pm

NothingFails wrote:and while on the subject, any more reviews soon?

I'll try and get the next one up soon! :wink:

by **Chun** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 12:59 am

I've seen you listen to the Behaviour album already on last.fm and that you love Being Boring

by **CrazyCrazy** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:10 pm

chun1702 wrote:I've seen you listen to the Behaviour album already on last.fm and that you love Being Boring

Yes I like this album, will score well I reckon! I will give it a few more listens and will give it my rating.

by **NothingFails** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 5:49 pm

lets just hope some Erasure fans don't slam PSB :lol:

Sorry, there are a handful of "all time great" male artists... we have MJ, Bowie, Elvis, Stevie Wonder, Springsteen, Elton and two or three others... I think talent, critical acclaim, sales and longevity has definitely merited Prince in that category with those "greatest male solo artists ever" people, he frequently appears on "best artists ever" lists, VH1 ranked him #6 on their countdown of the Greatest ever artists, he got in the Hall Of Fame the first year he was eligible even if people believe he's a "poor man's MJ" just lo and behold, there couldn't possibly be TWO successful and influential black men at the same time. To claim Prince isn't one of "the greats" because of a perceived loyalty to a rival (and I've seen both MJ and Prince live... the two greatest live entertainers I've ever seen, and their shows were vastly different but equally impressive) loses you credibility IMO. I was old enough and around to remember when these guys were in their heyday, your perception of Prince may be different if you don't remember a time before he had his name changed to a symbol... those who do realize putting him and Bowie in the same sentence is NOT an insult.

The reason Prince became such a superstar with Purple Rain is because people saw the movie and realized "oh wow, he's his own individual talent, he's not even trying to compete with MJ" and fell in love with his music and talent because people were able to appreciate both of them since they were night and day.

by **CrazyCrazy** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:08 pm

You can stan away as much as you want NF, some people simply do not like him :lol:

and to be honest he has taken such a long time to grow on me as well. :-?

by **NothingFails** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:30 pm

crazycrazy wrote:You can stan away as much as you want NF, some people simply do not like him and to be honest he has taken such a long time to grow on me as well.

haha. The only thing I really stanned was the comment that Prince is not one of the "true legends" because one isn't a fan and I think most would agree Prince certainly earned his spot in the "big boys legend" club that MJ, Beatles, Elvis, Stones, Stevie Wonder, Elton, Springsteen, Bowie and a handful of others belong in. Nobody has to like Prince, but I do think all in all, his status as a legend and influential artist who is one of the all time greats is largely secured at this point. MJ is the bigger legend definitely, but Prince is just a few notches below him, but definitely still one of the top 10-20 great icon/legends.

I have been a music lover since birth and 1983 was the year I was introduced to Prince (as well as MJ, Madonna, Cyndi, Pat Benatar, Blondie, Duran Duran, Eurythmics and some others) through my older sister (who had 1999 on cassette and played the first few tracks around me, although I never heard anything past "Delirious" until many years later) and have been a stan for music since :lol:

by **jio** » Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:05 am

crazycrazy wrote:You can stan away as much as you want NF, some people simply do not like him and to be honest he has taken such a long time to grow on me as well.

...but then again you are an Anastasia stan :roll:

by **CrazyCrazy** » Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:52 pm

jio wrote:
crazycrazy wrote:You can stan away as much as you want NF, some people simply do not like him and to be honest he has taken such a long time to grow on me as well.
...but then again you are an Anastasia stan

Oi! I do have my stan moments for Ana!

What's that got to do with anything? I'm simply just stating that he can stan as much as he wants others like who they like.

And it's AnastaCia!

by **Chun** » Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:42 pm

This Must Be The Place I Waited Years To come. So where are my Pets?

by **CrazyCrazy** » Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:43 pm

chun1702 wrote:This Must Be The Place I Waited Years To come. So where are my Pets?

I promise I will get to it, by the end of the week it should be up! :wink:

by **NothingFails** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 2:30 am

crazycrazy wrote:
jio wrote:
crazycrazy wrote:You can stan away as much as you want NF, some people simply do not like him and to be honest he has taken such a long time to grow on me as well.
...but then again you are an Anastasia stan
Oi! I do have my stan moments for Ana! What's that got to do with anything? I'm simply just stating that he can stan as much as he wants others like who they like. And it's AnastaCia!

I only stan for Prince when people act like calling him "a great" is something insulting (no less than Eric Clapton and Stevie Wonder have referred to him as a genius). Don't like Prince all you want, at least give credit where it's due and that enough critics and people have said that yes Prince is on par with the all time greats. I cannot stand Bob Dylan's music but I can respect him for what he's done for music and that he's a talented songwriter and gifted artist, but I don't like his music. To claim Prince just had "a few good songs" and that him in the same category as Bowie (he ranked higher than David according to VH1's last list... and I love me some Bowie too) or MJ is some sort of insult really is insulting to the genius that is Prince Rogers Nelson. 8-)

. The same way that I would take Paul Simon and Bruce Springsteen's songs and lyrics over Dylan's anyday (since those are generally considered the three major singer-songwriters of the past 50 years) but I can still accept that Dylan is certainly one of the greatest artists ever.

Stan shades off, I'm ready to discuss PSB, I just hope that uninformed comments are thrown about them as well.

by **NothingFails** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 2:31 am

jio wrote:
crazycrazy wrote:You can stan away as much as you want NF, some people simply do not like him and to be honest he has taken such a long time to grow on me as well.
...but then again you are an Anastasia stan

Nah, Bill is one of my fave posters here (as are you). I understand what he was saying about that.

Website · by **LonelyDreamer** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:03 pm

crazycrazy wrote:You can stan away as much as you want NF, some people simply do not like him and to be honest he has taken such a long time to grow on me as well.

Exactly!

NF, Prince was huge some decades ago and has contributed to music since then... I mean, he's probably one of the biggest artists of all time, but he's not even close to MJ or David greatness. :wink:

Website · by **LonelyDreamer** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:10 pm

Hey, CrazyC! I can't wait for the #20 album review.

I think "I Am A Bird Now" will become one of your favourites ever!

by **jio** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:24 pm

KevinScream wrote:
crazycrazy wrote:You can stan away as much as you want NF, some people simply do not like him and to be honest he has taken such a long time to grow on me as well.
Exactly!

NF, Prince was huge some decades ago and has contributed to music since then... I mean, he's probably one of the biggest artists of all time, but he's not even close to MJ or David greatness.

kevin, that's not true and u know it. I could begin listing the reasons but i won't get into that. Suffice to say that Prince did not care to be a top 40 act all his life and that's the only reason he became more of an album artist. Yet his legacy is doubted only by top 40 listeners and nobody else.

Mj was a has-been for that same crowd too until his death made him cool again. So don't act as if anyone cared about mj post 1996 bcause none but his fans did. That doesn't take anything away from his legacy but the same is true for prince also

as for ana it was a joke. I'm a Rozalla stan myself (who? I hear u asking lol)

by **Wardo** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:26 pm

W-H-O???

Website · by **LonelyDreamer** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:32 pm

jio wrote:Mj was a has-been for that same crowd too until his death made him cool again. So don't act as if anyone cared about mj post 1996 bcause none but his fans did.)

You mean 'Invincible' had no buzz or effect at all? Or 'This Is It' tour sold-out 50 concerts?

The only thing about MJ is that he was out of scene since 2001, to care about his family. But since he started a comeback with This Is It, he was absolutely 'cool' again. :wink:

by **jio** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:37 pm

prince is a constant touring attraction too. And yes, invins did sell 10 m. b it was widely considered a failure.

Website · by **LonelyDreamer** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:51 pm

jio wrote:prince is a constant touring attraction too..

By the way, have you seen the Opus book about Prince's O2 concerts? It looks amazing! :wink:

+ I have a question: what about his name? Is it Prince as 80s and 90s or the symbol? :-?