Madonna :: The "MDNA" Era

[alek]

again , you are only bla bla bla , and you can t explain nothing

This bla bla bla is called discussion if you didn't know.
What do you want me to explain? We're just estimating anyway so I explained why I find your figures inflated by comparing comparable markets and chart runs.

the certications are in almost of cases according to sales...then why certications exist ?,really you never will convince me...

I'm not trying to convince you. Certifications reflect shipments, stocks sent to record stores and other retailers, not bought by the consumers.

and why i can t compare mexico with italy ,in mexico artists sell well like in italy, thalia has sold more than 520,000 in mexico with her last album , and i guess any artist can do that in italy, Alejandra guzman has sold like 2,000,000 copies with her eternamente bella album

You can compare whatever you want. The markets are completely different though so I'll be careful and won't put them side by side. Since when Mexico or Italy publish sales data anyway? Even though I hardly know the quoted artists, knowing you I have every right to suspect these numbers were inflated just like your estimations of MDNA's sales...

in the 90s in mexico as well madonna had a dymond album in italy , but in italy artists sell more than mexico in the most cases , who cares if mexico has almost twice of population or if now mexico is in a better economic situation than italy, it depends how people in the countries like the album +a good promo in the countries , the fact is that it doesn t matter all the excuses that you say, because you don t want to realize that you are wrong .

It's true that Mexico's population is twice the Italian one but have you ever been to Italy? In Europe you won't ever find slums or people living under the level of poverty which is very common in Central and South America. This is why in spite of economic crisis touching Europe, the life quality is totally different on these shores and any comparisons fail because they're hardly measurable. It's absolutely possible that some artists sell better in Mexico and some others in Italy but if we take 2 countries from the European universe with totally different populations like Germany and Norway, the possibility of sales from the latter surpassing the former is highly unlikely, and strictly impossible if the chart runs were similar.

again what is the problem ?, if MDNA has sold 40,000 in holland, and 67,000 in Germany to date , it shows that Holland like more MDNA than Germany till now , so easy

It would if the figures were official and not taken from the top of your head Respective chart runs show clearly that there's something wrong with these numbers...

LMFAO'current studio album never looked like it flopped. It might have looked ridiculous compared to their singles success but it still did far more than their first album, which was hardly noticed. Therefore it was a success (if their first album was sold 5 mio. times, it would've obviously been different).

As you can see perspectives and points of view differ. For me the fact how an unknown first album of a then unknown band fared has nothing to do with the follower's success. Having such a monster hit like Patry Rock Anthem on its back, it should have done well better than what MusicWeek wrote after the album's first 2 months on the shelves:

"Sexy And I Know It jumps 20-7 (39,624 sales) for LMFAO. It is the third hit from their album Sorry For Party Rocking, following the number one hit Party Rock Anthem (feat. Lauren Bennett and GoonRock) and Champagne Showers (feat. Natalie Kills), which got to number 32. It sparks a revival in fortunes for the album, which sprints 126-80 (1,945 sales), though after 10 weeks it has sold just 24,664 copies, whereas Party Rock Anthem has sold 920,001 copies."

Yet again, it's only the UK so you're right by saying that in many other markets it didn't look like dead in its initial stage of the chart life but the rapid slumps in many countries led to believe the band would never pierce the albums market.

Impact =/= success: An album could've flopped, but still have its impact, therefore they don't have to mean the same.

They don't mean the same obviously but impact is part of the success in my opinion. I'd never call flops some of the critically acclaimed albums that have been considered as cult by many even if their results were lower than selling power of the respective artist. It's just a commercial underperformance but the mark was left in the legions of so-called believers (I don't know but Radiohead and Depeche Mode spring to my mind almost immediately when I think of this kind of situation, hardly any real flops).

Falling off the chart after 10 weeks for someone as big as Madonna is bad and just the fact that it hit No.-1 doesn't mean anything. It's true that No.-1 means being the biggest selling album of the week, but that can also mean selling 80k in a week (Adam Lambert) or 13k in a week (Emeli Sande). Plus, what means being No. 1 when you can hardly double the opening sales (which weren't so high that they would balance the frontloading anyway).

No-one says it isn't bad for Madonna's standards but a flop means something more serious to me. When an artist used to sell millions and suddenly goes down to as low as 50,000 - OK, this situation may be an immediate flop practically without considering other circumstances. An example of J.Lo's "Brave" rings my bell or the second album of Melanie B (which reached, if I remember correctly, number 466 or something in the UK)

Keane, Arctic Monkeys and Norah Jones are steadily falling in sales, but that neither means that they can't be successful again... It might be hard but the other way around, why shouldn't we call their albums flop if they just can't stop the declining trend?

The market's condition is bad, that's true, but we shouldn't be dictated from it and still have certain expectations...

True, everyone can have his turning point but in a declining music market it's so difficult that reversing a declining trend will probably still not match the artist's days of glory (look at COADF - a huge success and a very significant comeback didn't propel as many sales as Music a few years back even though I dare claiming that Music's impact and relative popularity wasn't as big as the one of COADF outside of America. We can of course tag every "diminishing-returns" type of artist's subsequent album a flop but as long as it manages to battle off the competition to scrape high debuts and doesn't end up its chart life 3 weeks later, for me it's not at all a disaster so underperformance is the most suitable term for it.

A flop isn't the totsl worst case that can happen, it's just when an album sells far less than expected and when Madonna never had a studio album that sold less than 4 mio. copies (official numbers) and MDNA is going to sell 2 mio. copies in the best case, the term "flop" is justified especially looking at its chart performance all around the world.

Remixed & Revisited was a remix album, so it could hardly live to any expectations, that's why I ignore it here.

I guess we'll never find the right definition then as for me flop equals total failure to spur any or close to any interest whatsoever.

Mexico is in north America , and again , bla ,bla and more bla , you can prove all that you say , and the inflated sales exist only in your head , the poverty , WTF , of course, i was in italy, im not comparing mexico with Italy, both countries are marvelous , im only give an example , but is a fact mexico is in a better economic situation , and the population ,or economic power doesn t matter about album sales between countries , certifications show sales too , without sales ,there s no certifications or albums shipped, again you can t explain your points..you never will understand ..

[alek]

MDNA isn't a flop.

It will end up selling around 2m copies after the tour is done, Not bad after 3 decades of career. Not to mention it launched one of the biggests female tour ever.

She doesn't have anything to prove, and the album sold off her name ALONE (no hit singles, no massive promotion)

Let's not act like this is some Bionic type of flop

yes you must consider that magde released her 1st studio album 29 years ago

[alek]

no news from uk?

[adriano]

For Italians: don't forget to watch deejay tv tonite at 21:30 there's a tv special on MDNA tour with footage from tel aviv, Milan and Rome!
http://www.deejay.it/dj/media/video/218 ... ?idArtista

[clh_hilary]

If we take away a Top 10 single and the first week sales of "MDNA", then maybe the project on the CD side flopped. Yes, they are only two particular weeks but they still did exist and we still have to consider the overall success including those 2 weeks which already took "MDNA" out of flop status or whatsoever.

And then you add in its impact and the tour, and you actually get a smash era overall by general standard. It's just like, Flo Rida having massive singles and dismal album sales. Was he flopping all along?

Eras like "MDNA" and "Born This Way" feel like flops because they hardly have any longevity, so after a few months it looks like nothing was going on with those albums. But if you skip everything in between and only look at year-end charts or the end results this kind of eras is really not flop eras.

[alek]

MDNA down to n 13 in Czech rep

[alek]

@guyoseary @interscope @mdna - get your asses together! This year's MTV VMA cutoff is mid July!!! TUTR needs to rule the 2012 VMAs! RT!

[Bad_Bobby2009]

@guyoseary @interscope @mdna - get your asses together! This year's MTV VMA cutoff is mid July!!! TUTR needs to rule the 2012 VMAs! RT!

Why Interscope!? They don't give a flying f*ck about Madonna's success. They're only distirbuting MDNA.
Ask Live Nation. And Guy Oseary. They're managing Madonna's career at the moment.

[alek]

what about Japan ?

[arab]

what about Japan ?

Left top 100. SAles below 1,156 this week

[AndiIversen]

Slovakia:

IFPI Hitparáda - RADIO TOP100 Oficiálna (top 100 airplay):

#41 (lw:#59) GGW peak:#10

[spiritboy]

GGW should've been the first single and instead of that ridiculously sexy video, she should've shot a funnier video and performed it on SB.

[thornwright]

Why is there no single for Italy, Spain... the tour is on and no song on the radio !
Turn up the radio is an ironical title ! There's no Madonna on the radio...

[upushme]

A little resurrection of MDNA on iTunes in Germany:
#292 now.
It should mean 10-20 downloads (daily) but at least it's alive again.

[DavNcc1701E]

GGW should've been the first single and instead of that ridiculously sexy video, she should've shot a funnier video and performed it on SB.

I love the sexy video, but IMO the first single should have been TUTR which would have been PERFECT for the Super Bowl.

That being said, I absolutely love GMAYL. I understand it got a mixed reaction. It's all a moot point now. What's done is done.

Why hasn't Interscope and/or Live Nation sent TUTR to the radio in Europe yet?!

[Bad_Bobby2009]

Don't expect any miracles on the German charts.
The first show in Germany is at the same time as the semi-final soccer game between Germany and Italy. People are going totally bananas over footbal there and are selling their Madonna tickets like crazy!
Just take a look at ebay.de. There are hundreds of Madonna tickets half their price! You can even buy 2 tickets for the nice price of 35 euro.

[alek]

what about Japan ?

Left top 100. SAles below 1,156 this week

close to 80,000

[atbw13]

Why is there no single for Italy, Spain... the tour is on and no song on the radio !
Turn up the radio is an ironical title ! There's no Madonna on the radio...

According to Tir69 ( a great italian poster) the song is already listed as "new hit" at RTL 102,5 (Italian Radio Station )
http://www.rtl.it/musica/newhit.php?m_id=1&sm_id=1
although it hasn´t been officially sent to radios .
According to another poster , Adriano , Radio DeeJay is also playing TUTR in Italy.
Which is a good sign!

[adriano]

^I confirm

They are the two most listened radios

[paperinobz]

Tour effect in Portugal
iTunes
Portugal (74)

Songs:

19. Girl Gone Wild
37. Girl Gone Wild
62. Give Me All Your Luvin'
65. Like a Virgin
66. La Isla Bonita
69. Masterpiece
225. Give It 2 Me
268. Hung Up
296. 4 Minutes

Albums:

5. MDNA
58. Celebration
101. Hard Candy
334. Confessions On a Dance Floor
364. MDNA

Turn Up the Radio
#34 El Salvador
#266 Italy

[alek]

thanks my dear

[ManTooth]

Swiss albums:

#75 MDNA (down -5)

[Pororo]

Japan Oricon Chart

130(78) 829 [Total: 78,941]

[denise]

Japan Oricon Chart

130(78) 829 [Total: 78,941]

Thanx.

[alek]

Japan Oricon Chart

130(78) 829 [Total: 78,941]

Thanx.

she need to go to Japan...