VH1 100 Greatest Women in Rock & Roll (2012)

by **Eamon** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:38 pm

frisbee wrote:
TIfan wrote:^^^^^ IMO both Beyonce and Christina are more talented than Mariah handsdown. Mariah has them on songwriting but when it comes to live singing, both B and Xtina have giving some live vocal performances that put Mariah to shame. IMO of course.

This was for a 04wayne comment that disapperared I guess...
I'm sorry but this, in reality, doesn't come down to opinion. Judging Vocal ability is not subjective at all - a reason why only a handful of contestants make through X factor auditions.

I will have to completely disagree that Beyonce or Christina are better. Mariah started to absolutely suck live (save an one-off brilliant performance now and then) but the first 5-6 years of her career were pure, invaluable gold.

Exactly! Mariah was brilliant live for 7 years of her career. She was good again in 2003/04 and the start of 05! There is so much ignorance being spoken in this thread and the word "opinion" is being used as a cover up!

I just can't at people saying that Beyonce and Christina are more talented vocalists than MARIAH CAREY!

by **Wayne** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:40 pm

frisbee wrote:To prove my point...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3opsSvDs ... re=related

It's not even from her prime, and yet, there aren't many singers who can do stuff like that ^.

P.S. It's not a boring ass ballad; it's a Christmas song.

I love Joy To The World so much.

As a skilled vocalist, Mariah was absolutely sensational - THIS is my calling card whenever I need to prove why she's one of the top 3 female vocalists of all-time. Ain't nobody can do that sh!t.

by **Eamon** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:42 pm

04wayne wrote:
frisbee wrote:To prove my point...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3opsSvDs ... re=related

It's not even from her prime, and yet, there aren't many singers who can do stuff like that ^.

P.S. It's not a boring ass ballad; it's a Christmas song.
I love Joy To The World so much.

As a skilled vocalist, Mariah was absolutely sensational - THIS is my calling card whenever I need to prove why she's one of the top 3 female vocalists of all-time. Ain't nobody can do that sh!t.

One of her best live performances! You could pick any or all of them from the first few years of her career.

by **frisbee** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:46 pm

04wayne wrote:
frisbee wrote:To prove my point...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3opsSvDs ... re=related

It's not even from her prime, and yet, there aren't many singers who can do stuff like that ^.

P.S. It's not a boring ass ballad; it's a Christmas song.
I love Joy To The World so much.

As a skilled vocalist, Mariah was absolutely sensational - THIS is my calling card whenever I need to prove why she's one of the top 3 female vocalists of all-time. Ain't nobody can do that sh!t.

Well, that one's a bit overused. :lol:

People always pull that one out.

:lol:

EDIT: It's funny how confident she used to be back then. It was directly proportional to how she used to sound on stage...

Anyway, can you PM me some completely live CD performances? It's a task to search on YT...

by **CelinetoBarbra** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:51 pm

mimifan09 wrote:
frisbee wrote:
TIfan wrote:^^^^^ IMO both Beyonce and Christina are more talented than Mariah handsdown. Mariah has them on songwriting but when it comes to live singing, both B and Xtina have giving some live vocal performances that put Mariah to shame. IMO of course.

This was for a 04wayne comment that disapperared I guess...
I'm sorry but this, in reality, doesn't come down to opinion. Judging Vocal ability is not subjective at all - a reason why only a handful of contestants make through X factor auditions.
T=

I will have to completely disagree that Beyonce or Christina are better. Mariah started to absolutely suck live (save an one-off brilliant performance now and then) but the first 5-6 years of her career were pure, invaluable gold.
Exactly! Mariah was brilliant live for 7 years of her career. She was good again in 2003/04 and the start of 05! There is so much ignorance being spoken in this thread and the word "opinion" is being used as a cover up!

I just can't at people saying that Beyonce and Christina are more talented vocalists than MARIAH CAREY!

Yes,mariah writed many song which almost become a hit.
And Maraih’s voice is not doubt one of the best in the world..
?but if you talk about longevity?Madonna is the greastest one 8-)

(ex
Barbra :wink:

),83-90 and 98-05,even in 90,Madonna have sold millions of record more than any other diva ex Celine and Mariah.

by **Wmosi** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:54 pm

TIfan wrote:^^^^^ IMO both Beyonce and Christina are more talented than Mariah handsdown. Mariah has them on songwriting but when it comes to live singing, both B and Xtina have giving some live vocal performances that put Mariah to shame. IMO of course.

This was for a 04wayne comment that disapperared I guess...

A mess.

The current Mariah is as shit as they come, but please do not come for the first 7 years of her career. She did shit with her voice Christina, Beyonce, their extended families & descendants will never do.

by **Wayne** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:55 pm

Wmosi wrote:A mess.

The current Mariah is as shit as they come, but please do not come for the first 7 years of her career. She did shit with her voice Christina, Beyonce, their extended families & descendants will never do.

But seconded, nonetheless.

by **Eamon** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:59 pm

Wmosi wrote:
TIfan wrote:^^^^^ IMO both Beyonce and Christina are more talented than Mariah handsdown. Mariah has them on songwriting but when it comes to live singing, both B and Xtina have giving some live vocal performances that put Mariah to shame. IMO of course.

This was for a 04wayne comment that disapperared I guess...
A mess.

The current Mariah is as shit as they come, but please do not come for the first 7 years of her career. She did shit with her voice Christina, Beyonce, their extended families & descendants will never do.

DEAD!!!

But I completely agree except I wouldn't say the current Mariah is as shit as they come. We have no clue what her voice is like and apart from "Memoirs" she can still slay most people on a record!!

by **frisbee** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:07 pm

Wmosi wrote:
TIfan wrote:^^^^^ IMO both Beyonce and Christina are more talented than Mariah handsdown. Mariah has them on songwriting but when it comes to live singing, both B and Xtina have giving some live vocal performances that put Mariah to shame. IMO of course.

This was for a 04wayne comment that disapperared I guess...
A mess.

The current Mariah is as shit as they come, but please do not come for the first 7 years of her career. She did shit with her voice Christina, Beyonce, their extended families & descendants will never do.

Lol you mean this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4mUkmUfGDA

by **DaBoi** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:52 pm

I'm not a fan of very big voices (they make me tired lol), but if I had to choose one, I'd choose Beyonce over Mariah/Aguilera etc
As a vocalist Beyonce is insanely talented, I'm not a fan ( I prefer Britney by far) but ever since I've seen Halo/Hope for Haiti I'm convinced that Beyonce is the most talented vocalist in the whole world lol

I prefer singers like Lana & Adele, they rock my world, together with Madonna, Janet & Britney

by **frisbee** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:01 pm

OMG I love this bitch

Have any of the lambs seen this?

I didn't know she was such an amazing interpreter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28C4mDacuHI

(It's not a big-voiced affair at all.)

by **Eamon** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:03 pm

frisbee wrote:OMG I love this bitch

Have any of the lambs seen this?

I didn't know she was such an amazing interpreter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28C4mDacuHI

(It's not a big-voiced affair at all.)

Yes! It's one of her best performances. For Mariah it's always not been about the big vocals. It's what the fans want all the time but not Mariah.

by **Titan3510** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:04 pm

When people try to come for Mariah and her level of talent, I can't help but smile.

:lol:

As for preferences? You prefer who you prefer. It doesn't change anything.

Another thing that's hilarious is that people tend to equate power with emotion and volume with skill?

But you know what else is funny?

Too many people put too much stock in live performances...

There's no question: live performances are invaluable...

...but pure, unadulterated musicianship can neither be showcased easily nor can it be replicated easily in a live setting.

And what's funny is that people subconsciously tend to pick and choose which performances are live and which ones are not regardless if there is any evidence or not.

And for TIfan...you're an huge Alicia Keys fan right?

Here's something to think about it. Let's say you have two different but very talented people.

One of the individuals shines brighter when they have the time to sit down in a quiet room. Once they think about it, they can come up with a brilliant concept and make music and/or art. Whereas, when they display their talent in public settings, they have their moments but there's just so many extenuating circumstances and thoughts running through their head, they come off as frazzled, inconsistent or just flat-out bad.

The other individual can range somewhere between horrible and competent enough in the more cerebral settings. But this same person can just get up on stage, in front of other people and shut it down like no other. And unlike most, they will continue to consistently shut it down. But sit them down, with a pen, a piece of paper or a keyboard and a little drumkit and then you realize you've had a problem.

Tell me this: who's the better musician/artist? Who's viewed as the better intellect? Who's the better singer (when I say singer, I mean singer in the most musical of sensibilities)?

Which is the better half: the entertainer or the musician?

It's a classic case of Mozart v. Gerswhin or Bach v. Debussy....

It's not about who has the bigger, longer, harder stick?

It's about who uses what they were given better.

by **TheRealest** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:49 pm

Wmosi wrote:A mess.

The current Mariah is as shit as they come, but please do not come for the first 7 years of her career. She did shit with her voice Christina, Beyonce, their extended families & descendants will never do.

......child, posts like this are why you're my favorite poster.

last.fm/hugom2c · by **hugo** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:51 pm

DaBoi wrote:I'm not a fan of very big voices (they make me tired lol), but if I had to choose one, I'd choose Beyonce over Mariah/Aguilera etc
As a vocalist Beyonce is insanely talented, I'm not a fan ( I prefer Britney by far) but ever since I've seen Halo/Hope for Haiti I'm convinced that Beyonce is the most talented vocalist in the whole world lol

preach

by **CrazyCrazy** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:52 pm

hugom2c wrote:
DaBoi wrote:I'm not a fan of very big voices (they make me tired lol), but if I had to choose one, I'd choose Beyonce over Mariah/Aguilera etc
As a vocalist Beyonce is insanely talented, I'm not a fan ( I prefer Britney by far) but ever since I've seen Halo/Hope for Haiti I'm convinced that Beyonce is the most talented vocalist in the whole world lol
preach

Oh please, she just isn't...

Last FM <3 · by **nickf1** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:04 pm

crazycrazy wrote:
hugom2c wrote:
DaBoi wrote:I'm not a fan of very big voices (they make me tired lol), but if I had to choose one, I'd choose Beyonce over Mariah/Aguilera etc
As a vocalist Beyonce is insanely talented, I'm not a fan ( I prefer Britney by far) but ever since I've seen Halo/Hope for Haiti I'm convinced that Beyonce is the most talented vocalist in the whole world lol
preach
Oh please, she just isn't...

by **Eamon** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:05 pm

nickf1 wrote:
crazycrazy wrote:
hugom2c wrote:
DaBoi wrote:I'm not a fan of very big voices (they make me tired lol), but if I had to choose one, I'd choose Beyonce over Mariah/Aguilera etc
As a vocalist Beyonce is insanely talented, I'm not a fan ( I prefer Britney by far) but ever since I've seen Halo/Hope for Haiti I'm convinced that Beyonce is the most talented vocalist in the whole world lol
preach
Oh please, she just isn't...

by **toni_pest** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:05 pm

DaBoi wrote:I'm convinced that Beyonce is the most talented vocalist in the whole world lol

Talented? Yes. The most talented? Never.

last.fm/hugom2c · by **hugo** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:21 pm

You may laugh, but let us watch this video where she puts all of your faves to shame in 20 seconds 8-)

I understand that most of you don't actually know what she's capable of, 'cause she saves the absolute best for her fans (concerts).

*obviously everyone has their opinion

by **CrazyCrazy** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:24 pm

Yeah she isn't bad at the old warbling but seriously the most talented artist/singer in the whole world? You really need to listen to more artists.

I don't mean it offensively. :wink:

I really can't decide on who is the most talented artist/vocalist I've ever heard there are so many mind-blowing artists out there, most of them can be found in my chart coincidently. :lol:

by **Titan3510** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:32 pm

Whatever keeps you warm at night, crazycrazy.

Calling her the most talented singer in the world is going overboard...

...but Beyonce be throwing it down.

by **CrazyCrazy** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:35 pm

Titan3510 wrote:Whatever keeps you warm at night, crazycrazy.

It does thanks. 8-)

On a personal note I just don't like her tone, her voice is too warbly for me, it makes me feel ill. :lol:

last.fm/hugom2c · by **hugo** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:35 pm

crazycrazy wrote:Yeah she isn't bad at the old warbling but seriously the most talented artist/singer in the whole world? You really need to listen to more artists. I don't mean it offensively.

Although I supported DaBoi's opinion, I didn't make that statement, I was clearly comparing Beyoncé to her peers

by **CrazyCrazy** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:36 pm

hugom2c wrote:
crazycrazy wrote:Yeah she isn't bad at the old warbling but seriously the most talented artist/singer in the whole world? You really need to listen to more artists. I don't mean it offensively.

Although I supported DaBoi's opinion, I didn't make that statement, I was clearly comparing Beyoncé to her peers

Oh ok babe, I just think such a statement is outrageous!