VH1 100 Greatest Women in Rock & Roll (2012)

[Eamon]

I still can't understand why Mariah‘s voice is worse than before?not the normal change for ages?but other reasons.. Whitney due to drug.

Vocal nodules.

[joel77m77]

Carey managed 8.5m minimum with her first eight albums (excluding the live EP which sold 6.5m). I admit that no two career demo-graphs can be exactly the same but they can be compared within certain parameters.

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Of course, Britney/Beyonce/Christina/Rihanna all have many more years to go. Who knows, they might just eclipse the big divas' careers...

No they will never eclipse the big diva's careers. They aren't as talented, they will never sell as many albums/records over all because the industry is dying year after year so they will never eclipse them but they may have the longevity and hits to make them become legends in their own right.

I agree, the music industry is a lot more unhealthy in terms of sales as what it was when mariah, whitney etc were releasing there first albums which sold millions and this is why its annoying when people compare there sales to those of Beyonce, Britney etc because you cant compare them if your going to be fair as like whats been brought out the music industry is a lot different now.
I mean well done to Mariah for selling more than 8 million with her first 8 albums but you cant use that to argue why she's better than artists that have only releasd albums in the last decade at all.
I think that mariah, whitney madonna etc are legends of the last generations of music artists but i also think that Beyonce and Britney are the legends of this generation.

[NejcIV]

Carey managed 8.5m minimum with her first eight albums (excluding the live EP which sold 6.5m). I admit that no two career demo-graphs can be exactly the same but they can be compared within certain parameters.

?????

Of course, Britney/Beyonce/Christina/Rihanna all have many more years to go. Who knows, they might just eclipse the big divas' careers...

No they will never eclipse the big diva's careers. They aren't as talented, they will never sell as many albums/records over all because the industry is dying year after year so they will never eclipse them but they may have the longevity and hits to make them become legends in their own right.

I agree, the music industry is a lot more unhealthy in terms of sales as what it was when mariah, whitney etc were releasing there first albums which sold millions and this is why its annoying when people compare there sales to those of Beyonce, Britney etc because you cant compare them if your going to be fair as like whats been brought out the music industry is a lot different now.
I mean well done to Mariah for selling more than 8 million with her first 8 albums but you cant use that to argue why she's better than artists that have only releasd albums in the last decade at all.
I think that mariah, whitney madonna etc are legends of the last generations of music artists but i also think that Beyonce and Britney are the legends of this generation.

Exactly. And that's exactly why I only compared sales of Britney and Beyonce from the same time frame.

I guess some people don't have common sense at all.

[stevyy]

Watching the videos you posted clearly shows me Beyonce is a more talented vocalist than Mariah.
Those 2010 Mariah videos are nowhere near Beyonce's level.

I disagree with basically everything you said here.
Mariah has the best tone.. only matched by Whitney. Her voice is worm and diverse. Beyoncé cannot transport so many emotions, regardless how clear and wide her voice is right now.

For me, the tone of a voice is the most important factor and Whitney and Mariah own this department. Celine is flawless too. That is why they are the vocal trinity. Unmatched forever.

The second generation Alicia, Beyoncé, Christina and so on are all mega talented and outstanding. But for me they'll always be the vocal princesses.

[stevyy]

another thing i want to add is, that Mariah (and Madonna) are not commercial has-beens. Mariah's last top 10 multi format smash hit in the United States was released 2009..Madonna is actually placed at #10 this week... So saying that the "older" divas aren't relevant anymore is complete bullshit in my eyes. In the past decade albums by Mariah, Celine and Madonna actually belonged to the biggest successes. (TEOM, ANDHC and Music/COADF).

Madonna and Celine actually belonged to the 5 best selling female artists of the decade.

[MatheusCiccone]

another thing i want to add is, that Mariah (and Madonna) are not commercial has-beens. Mariah's last top 10 multi format smash hit in the United States was released 2009..Madonna is actually placed at #10 this week... So saying that the "older" divas aren't relevant anymore is complete bullshit in my eyes. In the past decade albums by Mariah, Celine and Madonna actually belonged to the biggest successes. (TEOM, ANDHC and Music/COADF).

Madonna and Celine actually belonged to the 5 best selling female artists of the decade.

Couldn't agree more.

[VoReason]

Rebecca Black didn't make the list? Another massive cock up, well done VH1

If Shardinay and Black aren't top 2 next year ima be pissed.

[CelinetoBarbra]

another thing i want to add is, that Mariah (and Madonna) are not commercial has-beens. Mariah's last top 10 multi format smash hit in the United States was released 2009..Madonna is actually placed at #10 this week... So saying that the "older" divas aren't relevant anymore is complete bullshit in my eyes. In the past decade albums by Mariah, Celine and Madonna actually belonged to the biggest successes. (TEOM, ANDHC and Music/COADF).

Madonna and Celine actually belonged to the 5 best selling female artists of the decade.

I think you mean 00s right not the last decade we said in 00s??As now it's 10s?:wink: If I don't make mistakes 4 of the top 5
of last decade(00s) worldwide are Britney?Celine?Madonna and Shakira ,but I'm not sure about Mariah!?,maybe in us only?

[stevyy]

another thing i want to add is, that Mariah (and Madonna) are not commercial has-beens. Mariah's last top 10 multi format smash hit in the United States was released 2009..Madonna is actually placed at #10 this week... So saying that the "older" divas aren't relevant anymore is complete bullshit in my eyes. In the past decade albums by Mariah, Celine and Madonna actually belonged to the biggest successes. (TEOM, ANDHC and Music/COADF).

Madonna and Celine actually belonged to the 5 best selling female artists of the decade.

I think you mean 00s right not the last decade we said in 00s??As now it's 10s?:wink: If I don't make mistakes? 4 of the top 5
of last decade?00s?worldwide are Britney?Celine?Madonna and Shakira ,but I'm not sure about Mariah!?,maybe in us only?

yes, i was speaking about the 00's because the current decade is only 2 years and 2 months old.. Mariah sold over 22 million albums worldwide in the 00's and also belong to an exclusive club of females with albums sales of over 20 million. Mariah also had 8 US and UK top 10 hits.

[aaliyahman]

Why is everyone making this about the sales?

Why we shouldn't? lol

A pop act seee his own merit in sales mainly as is the people buying your record, spending money for your concert that determines the success of the popular acts, and you can't be popular if you do not reach people!!

Let's not be hypocrite: do you think that most of the alltime biggest album seller would have such a general praise if they didn't met such a huge audience? People buying your stuff is the first thing that makes an artist popular!!

That being said it's obvious that when SALES and TALENT come together is even better: but that's up to personal taste and is sometimes very questionable!

You took one part of what I said. Sales should be an inclusion but not an absolute. There's more to an artist than sales. Times change. I mean look at Gaga, so much fame and prominance but still Britney has sold more. It doesn't take away from Gaga's impact and artistry being much more than Britney's.

[stevyy]

You took one part of what I said. Sales should be an inclusion but not an absolute. There's more to an artist than sales. Times change. I mean look at Gaga, so much fame and prominance but still Britney has sold more. It doesn't take away from Gaga's impact and artistry being much more than Britney's.

I completely agree! From all the current pop stars, I think Gaga is the most valueable one with the greatest creative output. OK she wants to shock sometimes and her brand is always so in our faces.. but she actually takes risks and pushes the genre.

[denise]

You took one part of what I said. Sales should be an inclusion but not an absolute. There's more to an artist than sales. Times change. I mean look at Gaga, so much fame and prominance but still Britney has sold more. It doesn't take away from Gaga's impact and artistry being much more than Britney's.

I completely agree! From all the current pop stars, I think Gaga is the most valueable one with the greatest creative output. OK she wants to shock sometimes and her brand is always so in our faces.. but she actually takes risks and pushes the genre.

Gaga the most creative?
Take risk and pushes the genre?

Seriously !

I agree with you she wants or"try" to shock,though!

[stevyy]

You took one part of what I said. Sales should be an inclusion but not an absolute. There's more to an artist than sales. Times change. I mean look at Gaga, so much fame and prominance but still Britney has sold more. It doesn't take away from Gaga's impact and artistry being much more than Britney's.

I completely agree! From all the current pop stars, I think Gaga is the most valueable one with the greatest creative output. OK she wants to shock sometimes and her brand is always so in our faces.. but she actually takes risks and pushes the genre.

Gaga the most creative?
Take risk and pushes the genre?

Seriously !

I agree with you she wants or"try" to shock,though!

well if I compare her to her peers like Rihanna or Katy perry who basically only copy her sound, then Gaga really is the most creative one. The production, her sound on Born This way is much more diverse and mature than what her peers release. Gaga's also an authentic performer.

[CrazyCrazy]

I wish people would sometimes look away from the pop charts just for a minute, real creativity lives outside of the charts! I know I keep banging on but it's true.

[denise]

You took one part of what I said. Sales should be an inclusion but not an absolute. There's more to an artist than sales. Times change. I mean look at Gaga, so much fame and prominance but still Britney has sold more. It doesn't take away from Gaga's impact and artistry being much more than Britney's.

I completely agree! From all the current pop stars, I think Gaga is the most valueable one with the greatest creative output. OK she wants to shock sometimes and her brand is always so in our faces.. but she actually takes risks and pushes the genre.

Gaga the most creative?
Take risk and pushes the genre?

Seriously !

I agree with you she wants or"try" to shock,though!

well if I compare her to her peers like Rihanna or Katy perry who basically only copy her sound, then Gaga really is the most creative one. The production, her sound on Born This way is much more diverse and mature than what her peers release. Gaga's also an authentic performer.

I actually prefers by miles a Rihanna and some of her peers to someone who ensamble what is seen and reseen and try to sell it as a creative....!!

I think on the other hand she has an amazing voice and all in all is a good performer!

[crazy4bk]

I might be the only one not disturbed by this list. I think it does a good job of showing what people value in a performer. I honestly think some of these rankings really show the impact of image in the media, along with longevity. I personally love artists like Toni Braxton and Erykah Badu, but I can also see why an artist like Britney Spears outranks them on this list.
I also think it's easy for us to praise Madonna, Mariah, Whitney ect for their rankings and criticize Katy, Rihanna, Beyonce, and Gaga for their rankings because of theirs because of the whole age factor.

[CrazyCrazy]

I personally love artists like Erykah Badu, but I can also see why an artist like Britney Spears outranks them on this list.

I just died, Erykah is an amazing act with true talent and she is creative, Britney is neither, I wish these lists would focus on what's important.

[BlueScorpion]

Mariah Carey will always get tons of hate, precisely due to the fact she's one of the great female artists to ever grace the earth. Her voice is unparalleled and sales-wise she's sold more than Whitney Houston which is a huge legend! But hey, I expect to see Mariah at #1 in this countdown

[Titan3510]

I wish people would sometimes look away from the pop charts just for a minute, real creativity lives outside of the charts! I know I keep banging on but it's true.

I agree.

I'm actually surprised that Fiona Apple even made the list.

[Wayne]

I personally love artists like Erykah Badu, but I can also see why an artist like Britney Spears outranks them on this list.

I just died, Erykah is an amazing act with true talent and she is creative, Britney is neither, I wish these lists would focus on what's important.

Such a snobby thing to say.

Not everybody wants a complex composition or creative track or an amazing singer. Not everybody shares your embryonic love for new music and artistic development.

Some people just want good, listenable music. And Britney has provided the soundtrack to the lives of millions of teenage people worldwide that are now into their 20's or even 30's.

[CrazyCrazy]

I apologise for that comment it does sound snobby now looking at it! I just really value true artistic credibilty and believe that should be valued above anything else, ya know the core of what makes a great artist and not all of the fuss and fluff that surrounds many acts. I didn't mean to offend anyone, my passion gets in the way sometimes.

[Titan3510]

I understood what you were saying, crazycrazy.

No need to feel too bad.

Crazycrazy, what kind of rock music do you gravitate more towards? Because you strike me as someone who's into rock and indie...

[CrazyCrazy]

I understood what you were saying, crazycrazy.

No need to feel too bad.

Crazycrazy, what kind of rock music do you gravitate more towards? Because you strike me as someone who's into rock and indie...

Hey Titan thanks for that comment, I think I get a bit carried away sometimes, my love for creativity is just

Well I think my taste is actually pretty eclectic, I can't really pinpoint my favourite genre or style although anything creative or touching usually does something for me regardless of genre. However I like fun pop music too and really enjoy many but don't value it as much as the more artistic stuff.

I've been enjoying Devin Townsend of late who's music is psychedelic metal and I absolutely love it.

[Wayne]

Crazy - you might be interested in THIS.

[CrazyCrazy]

Crazy - you might be interested in THIS.

So happy Yoko made it! Truly deserved.