Miss Universe pageant disqualifies Transgender Contestant

by **jpguy** » Sun Apr 08, 2012 1:22 am

LOL @ your "She"

GetBack wrote:
Wolfsmagik wrote:Trump Reverses Decision to Ban Transsexual Beauty Queen From Miss Universe Canada

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/donald-trump-transsexual-miss-universe-canada-jenna-talackova-307289
Interesting! Imagine if "she" wins Miss Canada?!

by **SpyVsSpy** » Sun Apr 08, 2012 8:44 am

jpguy wrote:LOL @ your "She"
GetBack wrote:
Wolfsmagik wrote:Trump Reverses Decision to Ban Transsexual Beauty Queen From Miss Universe Canada

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/donald-trump-transsexual-miss-universe-canada-jenna-talackova-307289
Interesting! Imagine if "she" wins Miss Canada?!

It would be the moment that brings down the whole miss universe business i think. Just imagine the floodgates it would open. they need a lot of sponsorship support and their audience is largely conservative

by **GetBack** » Sun Apr 08, 2012 12:59 pm

As if Jenna has a chance to win Miss Universe much less Miss Canada Universe alone! :roll:

I mean, just look at the contestants, they're all so breathtakingly gorgeous and make "her" look like a plain Jane (or plain Jenna?). :oops:

"She" is a laughing stock in the modeling and pageant world, it's like a gay male swimmer wanting to compete in the women's division of swimming in the Olympics because he feels that he is born a woman! :oops:

by **frisbee** » Sun Apr 08, 2012 1:41 pm

Titan3510 wrote:At the end of the day, the sex chromosomes still spell XY. And since I seriously doubt that you can go back and change your DNA...

"Jenna" is not a woman.

Besides, I can kinda see through this sex change. It's all in the legs and the hips.

Oh come on, Titan, you can't be serious. If that looks like a guy then Mariah's Arnold Schwazzneger (whatever the spelling is)

by **Serby** » Sun Apr 08, 2012 2:49 pm

I'm open minded, but I think that she shouldn't be alowed to participate.

I mean, it's about natural beauty, no silicone, botox and things like that, right?

by **biscuits** » Sun Apr 08, 2012 2:53 pm

Glad to see I'm not the only one who agrees with her being disqualified.

by **NothingFails** » Sun Apr 08, 2012 4:06 pm

in honesty, I think sometimes sex changes may be a drastic measure. Look at Chris Crocker of Leave Britney Alone fame as was discussed in another thread recently. He spent many years identifying and dressing as a female, now he has short hair, facial hair and a much more masculine appearance and dresses in men's clothing and works out. A few years ago he considered himself a woman in a mans body in many videos, and yet now he's stated that he is far more at peace and comfortable in a masculine appearance as he's gotten older and more content on being who he is. And this was a man who was practically only a snip away from being a woman a few years ago.

Who knows that maybe some of these other people who identify as the opposite sex aren't going to have the same sort of epiphany down the line too?

by **sambo9** » Sun Apr 08, 2012 5:03 pm

Rushing into anything is a bad idea, but if someone is completely certain about changing sex, who am I to tell them it's the wrong decision? Only they can know what's right for them.

by **jpguy** » Sun Apr 08, 2012 10:36 pm

Actually, she wasn't ... she is elegible once again

biscuits wrote:Glad to see I'm not the only one who agrees with her being disqualified.

by **Poop123** » Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:33 am

NothingFails wrote:in honesty, I think sometimes sex changes may be a drastic measure. Look at Chris Crocker of Leave Britney Alone fame as was discussed in another thread recently. He spent many years identifying and dressing as a female, now he has short hair, facial hair and a much more masculine appearance and dresses in men's clothing and works out. A few years ago he considered himself a woman in a mans body in many videos, and yet now he's stated that he is far more at peace and comfortable in a masculine appearance as he's gotten older and more content on being who he is. And this was a man who was practically only a snip away from being a woman a few years ago.

Who knows that maybe some of these other people who identify as the opposite sex aren't going to have the same sort of epiphany down the line too?

Look at Perez Hilton he was a flaming fat homo now he's skinny.

He spent many years letting himself go. Every gay is flaming just like him. I generalize every gay person to be like him, so I make a very valid point.

A gay person can have an "epiphany" and turn straight too!

I mean if a straight guy can have a "stroke" and turn gay so can a gay person.

by **Jesper** » Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:56 am

this situation is getting confusing, so she can participate now again...so is there a rule or not?

Website · by **Wolfsmagik** » Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:25 pm

Jesper wrote:this situation is getting confusing, so she can participate now again...so is there a rule or not?

I think "she" can now participate.

by **NothingFails** » Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:49 pm

Poop123 wrote:
NothingFails wrote:in honesty, I think sometimes sex changes may be a drastic measure. Look at Chris Crocker of Leave Britney Alone fame as was discussed in another thread recently. He spent many years identifying and dressing as a female, now he has short hair, facial hair and a much more masculine appearance and dresses in men's clothing and works out. A few years ago he considered himself a woman in a mans body in many videos, and yet now he's stated that he is far more at peace and comfortable in a masculine appearance as he's gotten older and more content on being who he is. And this was a man who was practically only a snip away from being a woman a few years ago.

Who knows that maybe some of these other people who identify as the opposite sex aren't going to have the same sort of epiphany down the line too?
Look at Perez Hilton he was a flaming fat homo now he's skinny. He spent many years letting himself go. Every gay is flaming just like him. I generalize every gay person to be like him, so I make a very valid point.

A gay person can have an "epiphany" and turn straight too! I mean if a straight guy can have a "stroke" and turn gay so can a gay person.

Losing weight and changing your appearance are different than "turning straight".

Chris Crocker is still a gay man and still considers himself queer and dates men. But yet he is proof that someone who might consider themselves the opposite gender can end up becoming more comfortable in their own skin as they get older, and that having a sex reassignment might end up being a bad idea. Chris identified as a transgendered person even as recently as 2010 and yet now he looks and dresses like a guy... why? He's gone on record stating that as he's gotten older, he feels much more at peace with his masculine side and that the whole drag/feminine thing was part of being sexually confused growing up gay in a homophobic area. That is NOT the same thing as waking up "straight". Most people who have a sex change still are attracted to whichever gender they were attracted to beforehand. Chaz Bono still likes women, he's just no longer a lesbian.

by **frisbee** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 4:49 pm

Poop123 wrote:
NothingFails wrote:in honesty, I think sometimes sex changes may be a drastic measure. Look at Chris Crocker of Leave Britney Alone fame as was discussed in another thread recently. He spent many years identifying and dressing as a female, now he has short hair, facial hair and a much more masculine appearance and dresses in men's clothing and works out. A few years ago he considered himself a woman in a mans body in many videos, and yet now he's stated that he is far more at peace and comfortable in a masculine appearance as he's gotten older and more content on being who he is. And this was a man who was practically only a snip away from being a woman a few years ago.

Who knows that maybe some of these other people who identify as the opposite sex aren't going to have the same sort of epiphany down the line too?
Look at Perez Hilton he was a flaming fat homo now he's skinny. He spent many years letting himself go. Every gay is flaming just like him. I generalize every gay person to be like him, so I make a very valid point.

A gay person can have an "epiphany" and turn straight too! I mean if a straight guy can have a "stroke" and turn gay so can a gay person.

I'm sorry but I'm bawling my eyes out crying. This is pure ignorance - and it's not your fault (I'm assuming you're straight) but I have to address this. Gay.people.cannot.turn.straight. It is an insult to them and whatever rights they've obtained to say so.

Warning: I'm going to admit to doing something really disturbing now. Stop reading if you do not want to be offended. There is this series of straight porn movies called passion HD. Search it on Xtube. At least two of the guys are gay and their each f*cking a girl. I cringed throughout the thing. It was absolutely cringeworthy. The female ego will never suddenly just jump to being the male ego - and feel genuine attraction to femininity. The girls were at a loss to understand why the guys were not responding like they generally do. It was just a mess.

And Nothingfails, that guy didn't give up crossdressing because he suddenly stopped identifying with the opposite sex. He just realized how poorly he resembled the female form (I'm guessing here. It was either this ^ or he was sick of the insults). All gay men strive to become masculine because they know that the male form is appealing only if the person inhabiting it has masculine behavioral patterns. And I'm not saying this from my experience. I see at least 5 gay guys everyday - on T.V., in my college, in the Gym - and I can identify each and every one of them because there are glitches in their behavior. You can never fully cover your inherent female/male ego. You can, of course, observe, learn and bring into practice but there will always always always be the small things that will remain faithful to the nature of your ego.

Please don't make fun of me.

by **jio** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 4:52 pm

Em, I can understand why they would want straight men to act in gay porn, but gay men in straight porn?

And frisbee, who's your favourite porn star?

by **frisbee** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 4:56 pm

jio wrote:Em, I can understand why they would want straight men to act in gay porn, but gay men in straight porn?

And frisbee, who's your favourite porn star?

Reeeeaaally, Jio? You think I'm going to answer that here?

Tristan Bull, Cody Cummings, Hagan and a bald (probably) Arabian guy whose name I do not know. :lol:

by **jio** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 5:07 pm

Sorry for the late response but I was not counting on you actually answering me and I don't have a clever thing to say... India 1-Cyprus 0 lol

by **frisbee** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 5:09 pm

jio wrote:Sorry for the late response but I was not counting on you actually answering me and I don't have a clever thing to say... India 1-Cyprus 0 lol

by **NothingFails** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:06 pm

frisbee wrote:And Nothingfails, that guy didn't give up crossdressing because he suddenly stopped identifying with the opposite sex. He just realized how poorly he resembled the female form (I'm guessing here. It was either this ^ or he was sick of the insults). All gay men strive to become masculine because they know that the male form is appealing only if the person inhabiting it has masculine behavioral patterns. And I'm not saying this from my experience. I see at least 5 gay guys everyday - on T.V., in my college, in the Gym - and I can identify each and every one of them because there are glitches in their behavior. You can never fully cover your inherent female/male ego. You can, of course, observe, learn and bring into practice but there will always always always be the small things that will remain faithful to the nature of your ego.

Please don't make fun of me.

Chris actually says he'll still crossdress now and then for fun, but that he's changed a lot in the past few years. He spent a number of years after he came out identifying as a woman and living/dressing as one, but he reached a point where he slowly began to feel more and more like a male to where he finally cut his hair short and started wearing male clothing. He gave a long detailed interview about this awhile back. He still finds doing drag to be something for fun but he now is at peace with being a man and is far more comfortable with his natural gender today than he was a few years ago when he was still trying to come to terms and find himself.

by **Blondini** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:09 pm

Wolfsmagik wrote:Her doctor did a very good job on her surgery.

by **Charmbracelet** » Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:42 pm

westhammer wrote:I'm shocked and appaled at how many gay men on this forum can't accept/get transexuality.

This topic has made me seen alot of members very differently.

by **GetBack** » Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:12 pm

I don't think people discussing here are ignorant about transgenders, they are free to be themselves, no one here is judging their choice to present themselves, but there are things that cannot be changed. They may change their sex physically and legally, but they are still biologically male, even Jenna acknowledges that. He even said that he is "a woman with a past" in an interview. That being said, there is no discrimination whatsoever because he isn't qualified in the first place.

Miss Universe is a beauty pageant for biologically born females, just like a women's marathon, a women's swimming team, and an exclusive school for women are all for biologically born females. If the rumors are true that the rules have been changed and that transgenders will be allowed to compete starting 2013, it would have been unfair for the females, just as how unfair it would be for real women if a group of transgenders competed against a group of real women in a volleyball match.

by **Charmbracelet** » Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:37 pm

The fact you consistently refer to her as "he" makes me think you are a little ignorant about transgender people.

She was picked to be in the competition before the organizers knew she was transgender, so they obviously thought she was a good looking woman. Shouldn't that be all that matters?

by **RapUpPlayer** » Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:53 pm

Jesper wrote:
Star wrote:Another example of LGBTQ "rights" working overtime.
Would they let naturally born females to participate in their transgender contest? I don't think so.
I have to agree with this

Freedom wrote:Yes this "Born in the wrong body" thing is a complete MESS.

samra wrote:Look, without getting into the scientific/spiritual debate whether a transgender person is really male/female, we have to understand that Miss Universe has rules. The rules state that contestants must be born females. Since this person wasn't born a female, she can't compete. It's as simple as that. It's not like the pageant just invented this rule when they found out she was a transgender person.

(Or at least that's what the article says.)

urbanmusik wrote:A naturally born woman can't enter transgender contests, so I don't see why a transgender contestant should be allowed to enter a competition for women.

jpguy wrote:Now, how does a surgery add a penis on a Trans Boy??? I mean, female to male? Is it even possible to have a penis that looks like a natural one???? Does it get hard? Itneresting... I've looked around and the Trans Boys are quite hot... wowo...

^^

by **GetBack** » Sat Apr 14, 2012 3:11 pm

Charmbracelet wrote:The fact you consistently refer to her as "he" makes me think you are a little ignorant about transgender people.

She was picked to be in the competition before the organizers knew she was transgender, so they obviously thought she was a good looking woman. Shouldn't that be all that matters?

No, because she is not a real female. That would probably be the same when a transmale or transboy who knows how to play basketball auditioned for the NBA, and then the committee found out that the person trying out was a transmale. The transgender is still not qualified. There is no disrespect or ignorance there.

I speak of Jenna as a "he" because biologically, he is a male, and I personally know of trangender people that don't have a problem being referred to as a "he" that's why I said that. Even Mariah referred to B.Scott as a male, when she told his mother, "I love how you brought up your son. He is amazing". I don't think it's offensive or ignorant to their rights at all if they were still referred to as a man.

Going back, if "she" wanted to be respected as a person, even more so as being identified as a woman, "she" could have had at least the decency to admit the fact that "she" was not born a woman, but "she" lied and decided to join by deceiving them that "she" is a woman. That means Jenna "herself" knows that "she" is not qualified and not a woman at all.

It's just sad that there are people like Jenna who'd instantly pull out the "discrimination and ignorance with one's individuality" card when there's no right that's being violated. There are already pageants for transgenders where she already competed in, why would she still want to be a beauty pageant for females? I think it's unfair that Jenna is imposing for acceptance and respect when she can't accept and respect the rules of exclusivity alone.