Japan: AKB48 with two all-time records in one week

by **Maninthistown** » Thu May 31, 2012 11:56 am

stevyy wrote:
Maninthistown wrote:
stevyy wrote:with such sales.. the song should make it to the top 3 on mediatraffic.. if not.. then we see another example of how fake this chart is. (in reality.. it might be the best selling single worldwide this week.)
It will probably be #1, but i disagree, i really disagree with such methodology, i mean, it can sell 10 million copies in Japan, but how can it be the world's #1 song when 98% of the wolrds population lives outside Japan and will never hear the song in their lives. That fake site should focus more in POPULARITY, instead of sales, because we al know that sales per capita are not the same in every country, but still, if a country has a small market, it doesnt mean that there are no songs smashing over there, example: India. Well, at least if they want to be called a REAL "World" Chart. Now that site is just Crap.
i disagree.. they should solely build their chart on sales.. because the music industry is made of market chares per country.. and japan is by a large margin the second largest music market in the world. and as that it has a special position in the world.. because in japan more people buy music than in other countries.. of bigger or smaller population and size.

Europe, however, shud finally - but that is also a political point of view - create ONE european albums and singles chart.

Then they would be building a chart based on the songs people buy legally basically in Japan, UK and the US. And in fact, its nor so different from what they are doing, so we can see many LOCAL songs by LOCAL artists topping the "Global Charts" while other few artists who are really GLOBAL get lower positions just because biggest markets count more.

by **stevyy** » Thu May 31, 2012 12:25 pm

yes, but the alternative wouldn't be fair also.. because the united states do account for 30% of all music sales worldwide.. and a song that tops the us market... represents 30% of all music buyers..

by **Timmy94** » Thu May 31, 2012 1:35 pm

We had a European Albums and Singles Chart, which was created by Billboard but it shut down 1.5 years ago unfortunately...

by **AndiIversen** » Thu May 31, 2012 4:31 pm

stevyy wrote:japanese people are insane.. when has a physical single sold 1,6 million copies in a western country? has elton ever done it with candle..I mean he's the only one in my head who seemed to be able to do that with that song.. i love it for the sake of the music industry.

with such sales.. the song should make it to the top 3 on mediatraffic.. if not.. then we see another example of how fake this chart is. (in reality.. it might be the best selling single worldwide this week.)

sorry for the little OT i'll post here

I don't know the full weekly soundscans of CITW 97/SATWYLYT (Elton's single) but i do know that the single sold 1,1 M the first day of release and it went onto sell 3,44M for the full first week (at the time it broke Whitney's record of one week sales of 632,000 for IWALY).
Candle's second week saw sales of 1,2 M.

Of note, on the first week of sales Elton's label reported 500k of the single sold at non-traditional outlets that were not monitored by Soundscan at the time.

now on topic: I love Japanese Music! There's plenty to choose from not just teeny Jpop (which I like some of it too).

by **WolfSpear** » Thu May 31, 2012 7:17 pm

"Candle" sold 8.1 million copies in 1997 alone. So, I would imagine he continued to have 600-700k frames to the end of the year.

by **AndiIversen** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:56 pm

About Mediatraffic's methods, I still don't trust the results since there's lots of countries/charts that are not taken into account..

Like what happened with Girls' Generation a few weeks ago when their single Twinkle sold 600k+ in downloads alone in South Korea (it also went #1 in Japan's Oricon international chart) and that SK number wasn't taken into account for the Global Tracks chart(Mediatraffic doesn't count SK's officialy sold downloads, streams, nor airplay) and the single went onto chart at only #39 when it should've been easily #1 that week.

by **Charter2000** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:14 pm

AndiIversen wrote:About Mediatraffic's methods, I still don't trust the results since there's lots of countries/charts that are not taken into account..

Like what happened with Girls' Generation a few weeks ago when their single Twinkle sold 600k+ in downloads alone in South Korea (it also went #1 in Japan's Oricon international chart) and that SK number wasn't taken into account for the Global Tracks chart(Mediatraffic doesn't count SK's officialy sold downloads, streams, nor airplay) and the single went onto chart at only #39 when it should've been easily #1 that week.

That's wrong.
Media Traffic counts data from South Korea, but the south korean market is weighted according to the IFPI statistics. These statistics are based on earnings, not on the number of downloads sold.

I think you can roughly say that 100.000 downloads on the Gaon Downloadchart count 10.000 points on the Mediatraffic track chart.

by **AndiIversen** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:07 pm

Charter2000 wrote:
AndiIversen wrote:About Mediatraffic's methods, I still don't trust the results since there's lots of countries/charts that are not taken into account..

Like what happened with Girls' Generation a few weeks ago when their single Twinkle sold 600k+ in downloads alone in South Korea (it also went #1 in Japan's Oricon international chart) and that SK number wasn't taken into account for the Global Tracks chart(Mediatraffic doesn't count SK's officialy sold downloads, streams, nor airplay) and the single went onto chart at only #39 when it should've been easily #1 that week.
That's wrong.
Media Traffic counts data from South Korea, but the south korean market is weighted according to the IFPI statistics. These statistics are based on earnings, not on the number of downloads sold.

I think you can roughly say that 100.000 downloads on the Gaon Downloadchart count 10.000 points on the Mediatraffic track chart.

They count towards the album chart, not the singles tracks chart, this coming from their site:

from Mediatraffic's site:
Chart Methodologies:
Track-Chart
THE MOST POPULAR TRACKS ACCORDING TO PAID DOWNLOADS, SINGLE-SALES AND AIRPLAY
SALES (70%)
SINGLE-SALES AND PAID DOWNLOAD STATS FROM USA, JAPAN, UNITED KINGDOM, GERMANY, FRANCE, AUSTRALIA, ITALY, SPAIN, NETHERLANDS, BELGIUM, NORWAY, SWEDEN, FINLAND, DENMARK, AUSTRIA, SWITZERLAND, IRELAND, GREECE, CANADA, AND NEW ZEALAND.
AIRPLAY (30%)
THE OFFICIAL NATIONAL AIRPLAY-CHARTS FROM USA, JAPAN, UNITED KINGDOM, GERMANY, FRANCE, ITALY, SPAIN, AUSTRALIA, CANADA, AUSTRIA, SWITZERLAND, SWEDEN, NORWAY, DENMARK, FINLAND, NETHERLANDS, BELGIUM, IRELAND, GREECE, HUNGARY, POLAND, CZECH REPUBLIC, AND NEW ZEALAND. THE CHARTS ARE WEIGHTED TO THE SIZE OF ITS MARKETS ACCORDING TO THE LATEST IFPI-STATISTICS
PLAYLISTS FROM HUNDREDS RADIO-STATIONS IN ALBANIA, ARGENTINA, BELARUS, BOLIVIA, BRAZIL, BULGARIA, CHINA, CHILE, COLOMBIA, CROATIA, CYPRUS, ECUADOR, EESTI, EL SALVADOR, FAROE ISLANDS, GEORGIA, GUAM, HONG KONG, ICELAND, INDIA, ISRAEL, KENYA, LATVIA, LEBANON, LITHUANIA, MACEDONIA, MALAYSIA, MEXICO, PANAMA, PARAGUAY, PERU, PHILIPPINES, ROMANIA, RUSSIA, SINGAPORE; SLOVAKIA, SLOVENIA, SOUTH AFRICA, SRI LANKA, THAILAND, TURKEY, UKRAINE, VENEZUELA, AND YUGOSLAVIA.
PLAYLISTS FROM VARIOUS TV-MUSIC CHANNELS

so no South Korea anywhere on the Tracks Chart Methodologies.

by **Charter2000** » Mon Jun 04, 2012 4:03 pm

They count, compare the Gaon Downloadchart with the Mediatraffic Track Chart! I did it when i wrote my last comment and there are around 3 songs from South Korea this year that reached the MT Top 40 and at the same time these 3 songs were #1 on the Gaonchart with high sales. As i said, these sales were around 10 times higher than MT points. One song by IU reached 103.000 points on MT last December when it reached more than 1 Mio. downloads on the Gaon Chart.

The Gaon chart exists since around 2 years and MT uses the chart since maybe 1 - 1,5 years, i don't know. It seems they just forgot to add South Korea to the country list.

by **Nackar** » Mon Jun 04, 2012 6:05 pm

^ Exactly, that's what I noticed as well. Generally, the points for South Korean tracks is about a tenth of the sales according to Gaon.

Which I think is fair, otherwise the South Korean market would dominate the world charts even more than the US market is doing now

by **ferrero** » Tue Jun 05, 2012 2:30 pm

at the people bashing asian music

they are crazy but they are also rich

by **Timmy94** » Tue Jun 05, 2012 2:32 pm

But I also have got to say that Asian music sounds a bit samey and less versatile than European/American music :oops:

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by **Nackar** » Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:44 pm

See, this is EXACTLY what I meant earlier.

What Japanese music have you heard? Which acts? Big chances are they are the big, chart-topping idol acts that I mentioned earlier. That is NOT all there is.

Why do people make these sweeping statements? Just because the mainstream acts are clichéd and samey (and I agree, they are to a terrible degree) doesn´t mean ALL Japanese Music is that way.

EDIT: Sorry, you said Asian music, not Japanese music. I can't speak for the other countries of Asia, just for Japanese music. I just feel strongly about this because there is plenty of innovative and original music there, no less than in the West. Just rarely near the top of the chart.

What we mostly see in the west of Japanese music is the worst type of cliché.