French chart commentary (w/e 22nd July 2012)

by **garycharts** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:34 pm

Is Carly Rae Jepsen still at the top for a fifth week ? Is it Shy'm ?
Is it a good week for Chris Brown, will.i.am, Shakira, and Emeli Sandé ?
And what have Pitbull and Khaled in common ?
Please go to http://francemusiccharts.wordpress.com/ ... july-2012/. Thank you !

by **barthezz** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:26 pm

From where you know the new french chart?
I would like to know at least the top 50.

by **garycharts** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 5:19 am

barthezz wrote:From where you know the new french chart?
I would like to know at least the top 50.

You can find the top 50 here http://musique.premiere.fr/TOP-50/Top-5 ... illet-2012
Anyway I will update my article tonight with the sales figures and (if I have enough time) the top 100 positions.

by **earache** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:55 am

aaa ...so you know the french charts faster...cheeky cheeky hehe... nevermind i will not die because of half of a day.... :lol:

anyway i feel sad as you...no new entries in whole top 50... everybodys on vacations? hehe. actually it was easy to predict when you observe the i tunes charts.
without all french rnb staff, french charts looks exactly like i like... some german- euro songs, lots of vacations tunes and pitbull very high...i just want birdy to go away and put timebomb of kylie instead of this...hehe, and wonder why lucenzo and sean paul colaboration is so low? they both are very successful in france but only separated, together not anymore? hehe... and actually song isnt bad. i hate khaled...with passion... first in poland (when normally i live) aicha was not only mega mega hit but also polish guy named magma made his coverversion...and it was even hugest than khaled's one... terrible experience... aicha was everywhere ...whole year...brrr, and after all, in egypt (when i work) one guy, named khaled cheated me for my 2months sallary 2 years ago... hehe and besides this c'est la vie is nothing special. i want gala in top 50! thanks gary for all your information and maybe mylene farmer will release something soon and she will blow up the charts! hehe

by **barthezz** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 8:25 am

garycharts wrote:
barthezz wrote:From where you know the new french chart?
I would like to know at least the top 50.
You can find the top 50 here http://musique.premiere.fr/TOP-50/Top-5 ... illet-2012

Yes, I knew this site, but yesterday evening at 7:34 pm
the chart wasn't updated and I thought you get the french chart from another resource or maybe I was inattentive.

by **CZB** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 12:15 pm

barthezz wrote:http://musique.premiere.fr/TOP-50/Top-50-semaine-du-16-juillet-2012

Yes, I knew this site, but yesterday evening at 7:34 pm the chart wasn't updated

It is updated now.....but with a chart that doesn't look remotely correct, compared with last week's:

01 02 ET ALORS? - SHY'M
02 04 BACK IN TIME - PITBULL
03 08 BALADA - GUSTTAVO LIMA
04 01 CALL ME MAYBE - CARLY RAE JEPSEN
05 19 PARTY SHAKER - R.I.O. FEATURING NICCO
06 30 C'EST LA VIE - KHALED
07 16 THIS IS LOVE - WILL.I.AM FEATURING EVA SIMONS
08 17 ADDICTED TO YOU - SHAKIRA
09 05 SKINNY LOVE - BIRDY
10 11 WATI HOUSE - SEXION D'ASSAUT
11 07 RAYOS DE SOL - JOSE DE RICO FEATURING HENRY MENDEZ
12 13 MA DIRECTION - SEXION D'ASSAUT
13 31 DANCE AGAIN - JENNIFER LOPEZ FEATURING PITBULL
14 24 SUMMER PARADISE - SIMPLE PLAN FEATURING SEAN PAUL
15 14 POSITIF - MATT HOUSTON FEATURING P-SQUARE
16 06 WHISTLE - FLO RIDA
17 29 SUMMER OF LOVE - CASCADA
18 03 TACATA - TACABRO
19 66 QUELQUE PART - KENZA FARAH
20 33 WIDE AWAKE - KATY PERRY
21 20 WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN - RIHANNA
22 28 PRINCESS OF CHINA - COLDPLAY FEATURING RIHANNA
23 15 PAYPHONE - MAROON 5 FEATURING WIZ KHALIFA
24 37 MY NAME IS STAIN - SHAKA PONK
25 10 WE ARE YOUNG - FUN FEATURING JANELLE MONAE
26 35 SCREAM - USHER
27 09 SOMEBODY THAT I USED TO KNOW - GOTYE FEATURING KIMBRA
28 21 DREAMIN' - YOUSSOUPHA FEATURING INDILA AND SKALPOVICH
29 ---- COPILOTE - KRISTINA MARIA FEATURING CORNEILLE
30 42 LE SENS DE LA VIE - TAL
31 59 SUR LE FIL - JENIFER
32 75 PARLER A MON PERE - CELINE DION
33 48 SOMEONE LIKE YOU - ADELE
34 22 AI SE EU TE PEGO - MICHEL TELO
35 27 MA CHERIE 2012 - DJ ANTOINE
36 39 JE PRENDS LE LARGE - TAL
37 124 BLOW ME (ONE LAST KISS) - PINK
38 155 CELEBRATE - MIKA
39 40 LIVE MY LIFE - FAR EAST MOVEMENT
40 56 ROLLING IN THE DEEP - ADELE
41 32 STARSHIPS - NICKI MINAJ
42 55 SET FIRE TO THE RAIN - ADELE
43 47 AVANT QU'ELLE PARTE - SEXION D'ASSAUT
44 23 MIDNIGHT CITY - M83
45 46 VIDEO GAMES - LANA DEL REY
46 87 COUPS ET BLESSURES - BB BRUNES
47 107 GOOD TIME - OWL CITY AND CARLY RAE JEPSEN
48 ----- JE VEUX LE MONDE - NATHALIA
49 187 JE DESCENDS DU SINGE - MARC LAVOINE
50 200 SUR UN FIL - CIRCUS

For example, what has happened to last week's numbers 12 and 18 (Lykke Li and C2C) and many others such as Chris Brown.....garycharts' commentary says it's up from 34 to 27, which sounds much more likely / realistic, as indeed does everything in that commentary! Does anyone know what, if anything, that above top 50 represents?

( And, unless the "real" chart replaces it today or tomorrow, could anyone who knows what numbers 12, 13 and 14 should be please post them here? )

by **CZB** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 12:33 pm

Well, this is strange.....

http://musique.premiere.fr/TOP-50/Top-5 ... illet-2012

is now showing what looks like a correct chart, matching up completely with the commentary, while.....

http://musique.premiere.fr/TOP-50

is showing what I posted above, but with all the "last week" movements matching up with last week's official chart ???

by **earache** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:29 pm

i was confused like this before... some moths ago... i wanted to write on my copy book french charts and my source were silent hehe... so i was looking through the internet and found 2 different charts ! so it is still the same and even i like this second charts more...the first one from gary is correct. all the artists and positions , i checked this few months ago everywhere when i could... ( i remember i wanted mylene farmer higher... hehe) and even wikipedia and all official charts, including billboard shows the first one as tru
this for 100% is official http://www.chartsinfrance.net/charts/singles.php even if it looks more fake hehe ( and this is the one that gary comments)

and PS CZB really your french charts is better i wish it was true one

by **garycharts** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:23 pm

Wow, when I saw your messages and the new top 50 positions, I was "OMG, poor me (lol), for once I could write the commentary on Tuesday, and then...", but it was obvious it was a fake chart (so many movements, haha).
Thanks guys for your interest !
The article is now updated with the sales figures, http://francemusiccharts.wordpress.com/ ... july-2012/

by **garycharts** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:27 pm

Earache, I love Kylie's "Timebomb" too !

by **Timmy94** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 6:28 pm

@garycharts: Could you also do the same for albums? Because that's the one that actually interests me more...

by **earache** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 6:49 pm

garycharts wrote:Earache, I love Kylie's "Timebomb" too !

i thought we may have something in common... hehe :lol:

...but i also think about something... how come the franch charts can have 200 positions??? specially when as you wrote no30 sold 2000. ? how many copies sold then no 199? ... 2 or 3? it must be something like this... i also remember when some mylene farmer no 1 sold 5 000 ...it means that no 200 must be sold 1? so if i buy gala new single 10 times she could be top 150...probably... very bizzare

by **garycharts** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:32 pm

Timmy94 wrote:@garycharts: Could you also do the same for albums? Because that's the one that actually interests me more...

Why not ? I think I will do it tomorrow. And if there are enough readers, I could do it every week.

by **garycharts** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:39 pm

You are right, earache. Sales figures in France are so low (in comparison with the US or the UK, for example) that having a top 200 singles chart is irrelevant. It's difficult to know how many copies or downloads a number 200 can sell.
I really enjoy talking about that with you all !

by **Benny** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:03 pm

Recap of the top 50 at YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9ZqRMY5 ... ature=plcp

by **Timmy94** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:47 pm

@earache: At the time Mylene Farmer was No. 1 with such low sales, the French Single Chart only included 100 positions, though the chart was only physical-based which had the effect that when physical sales started to get worse (in France physical single sales are still higher in terms of population than in other countries), the No. 100 single was sold 30 or less times.
When downloads were included, the chart was extended to 200 positions as the No. 100 single sells a few hundred copies now.

by **earache** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 7:36 am

yes...you re right timmy i forgot about that but if no 100 sells a few houndred ...no 200 must be really a very very few copies... maybe not 1 copy but not lots more hehe

by **garycharts** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 7:57 am

Hi, everyone ! I have just added the top 200 positions here http://francemusiccharts.wordpress.com/ ... july-2012/

by **maroon** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:59 am

earache wrote:...but i also think about something... how come the franch charts can have 200 positions??? specially when as you wrote no30 sold 2000. ? how many copies sold then no 199? ... 2 or 3? it must be something like this... i also remember when some mylene farmer no 1 sold 5 000 ...it means that no 200 must be sold 1? so if i buy gala new single 10 times she could be top 150...probably... very bizzare

It doesn't work like that. The lower down the chart you look, the more consistent the sales become. A little bit more than a month ago when Shy'm heavily discounted all of her past singles and they suddenly reentered the official Top 200, we got their sales and they were as follows in that particular week:

70 RE 02 Shy'm - Je Sais [840 exemplaires vendus]
78 RE 25 Shy'm - Prendre L'Air [796 exemplaires vendus]
90 RE 23 Shy'm - Tourne [708 exemplaires vendus]
107 RE 19 Shy'm - En Apesanteur [594 exemplaires vendus]
119 RE 13 Shy'm - Femme De Couleur [522 exemplaires vendus]
126 RE 29 Shy'm - Si Tu Savais [470 exemplaires vendus]
127 NE 01 Shy'm - Je Suis Moi [468 exemplaires vendus]
131 RE 23 Shy'm - Victoire [454 exemplaires vendus]
146 RE 21 Shy'm - Oublie-Moi [404 exemplaires vendus]
147 NE 01 Shy'm - La Première Fois [404 exemplaires vendus]

As you can see, between number 70 and number 150 there is a difference of roughly 440 units only so the Top 200 can easily exist with the access to it being reserved only to songs with over 200-250 copies weekly, I reckon.

garycharts wrote:
Timmy94 wrote:@garycharts: Could you also do the same for albums? Because that's the one that actually interests me more...
Why not ? I think I will do it tomorrow. And if there are enough readers, I could do it every week.

I'll definitely be very interested too!!! Singles chart has mainly crap music while in the albums one you can find a lot of interesting alternative music records.

by **Robbie** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 11:35 am

Apologies if this has been asked before- does the French charts include downloads? The sales for the number 1 are very low if downloads are included.

Thanks for the link and the charts Gary.

by **Haribo** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 11:43 am

Carly, toujours au top. Elle gère. 8-)

by **maroon** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 11:52 am

Robbie wrote:Apologies if this has been asked before- does the French charts include downloads? The sales for the number 1 are very low if downloads are included.

Yes, it does. They've been included since February 2011.

by **garycharts** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:32 pm

I have posted an article on the French albums chart, you can find it here, http://francemusiccharts.wordpress.com/ ... ums-chart/. I hope you will enjoy it, thank you !

by **CZB** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 2:05 pm

maroon wrote:
Robbie wrote:Apologies if this has been asked before- does the French charts include downloads? The sales for the number 1 are very low if downloads are included.
Yes, it does. They've been included since February 2011.

This is indeed correct.....

Timmy94 wrote:At the time Mylene Farmer was No. 1 with such low sales, the French Single Chart only included 100 positions, though the chart was only physical-based which had the effect that when physical sales started to get worse (in France physical single sales are still higher in terms of population than in other countries), the No. 100 single was sold 30 or less times.
When downloads were included, the chart was extended to 200 positions as the No. 100 single sells a few hundred copies now.

.....as is, I think, everything here except the line I have highlighted. Apart from the occasional act (eg Mylene Farmer) who can still shift a lot of physical singles, I get the very definite impression now that very few physicals now sell in France, for the following reasons:

The physicals-only top 100 continued to run alongside the new combined chart for about a year, ceasing in February 2012 - probably because less than a hundred different singles were then selling physically in a week! There had been occasional reports of very low sales - for example, Cascada's "Evacuate The Dancefloor" was revealed to have sold a total of NINE copies in a week (about a year after it was originally released) in which it was the number 100 physical single in France!

A separate downloads-only top fifty has also been published since the combined chart began, and still is. But now it is almost identical to the combined chart - from which it can be deduced that very few hit tracks are even released on a physical format in France (or they are selling so few that no improvement arises in the overall position!)

This week, the only differences between the top fifty downloads and the top fifty of downloads and physicals combined are as follows:

Downloads
05 RAYOS DE SOL - JOSE DE RICO FEATURING HENRY MENDEZ
06 WHISTLE - FLO RIDA
07 TACATA - TACABRO

Combined
05 TACATA - TACABRO
06 RAYOS DE SOL - JOSE DE RICO FEATURING HENRY MENDEZ
07 WHISTLE - FLO RIDA

Downloads
36 LIVE MY LIFE - FAR EAST MOVEMENT
37 WIDE AWAKE - KATY PERRY
38 VIDEO GAMES - LANA DEL REY
39 MA VIE AU SOLEIL - KEEN'V
40 I CAN ONLY IMAGINE - DAVID GUETTA FEATURING CHRIS BROWN AND LIL WAYNE
41 ZUMBA HE ZUMBA HA - DJ MAM'S
42 MY NAME IS STAIN - SHAKA PONK
43 DOWN THE ROAD - C2C
44 LE SENS DE LA VIE - TAL
45 JE PRENDS LE LARGE - TAL
46 DANCE AGAIN - JENNIFER LOPEZ FEATURING PITBULL
47 SOMEONE LIKE YOU - ADELE
48 PUMPED UP KICKS - FOSTER THE PEOPLE
49 ROLLING IN THE DEEP - ADELE
50 AVANT QU'ELLE PARTE - SEXION D'ASSAUT

Combined
36 DOWN THE ROAD - C2C
37 LIVE MY LIFE - FAR EAST MOVEMENT
38 WIDE AWAKE - KATY PERRY
39 VIDEO GAMES - LANA DEL REY
40 MA VIE AU SOLEIL - KEEN'V
41 I CAN ONLY IMAGINE - DAVID GUETTA FEATURING CHRIS BROWN AND LIL WAYNE
42 ZUMBA HE ZUMBA HA - DJ MAM'S
43 MY NAME IS STAIN - SHAKA PONK
44 Z DANCE - COLLECTIF METISSE
45 LE SENS DE LA VIE - TAL
46 JE PRENDS LE LARGE - TAL
47 DANCE AGAIN - JENNIFER LOPEZ FEATURING PITBULL
48 SOMEONE LIKE YOU - ADELE
49 PUMPED UP KICKS - FOSTER THE PEOPLE
50 ROLLING IN THE DEEP - ADELE

The two tracks highlighted in dark red are the only ones from the downloads-only top fifty whose physical sales have enabled them to overtake those just above to get a higher position in the combined chart, while the one in blue must have strong physical sales, enabling it to be top fifty overall for a fourth week despite never being in the downloads-only top fifty.

So these would appear to be the only three physical singles currently selling in any significant quantity (and probably still not very many at all!) in France.....

by **Robbie** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 2:19 pm

Cheers maroon and CZB.

I didn't realise sales were so low in France. Is there any reason why downloads haven't taken off in France like they have in most other countries?