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  • Originally posted by menime123 View Post
    Her team really need to figure out how to boost Erotica, Bedtime Stories and American Life - it’s going to take the best part of a decade before they see 100m streams.
    They never even mentioned the American Life's anniversary last month. They could have done that at least.

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    • Originally posted by Paulmark View Post

      They never even mentioned the American Life's anniversary last month. They could have done that at least.
      I’m hoping (but not expecting) them to finally release the original video officially for the 20th in two years.
      Everyone is entitled to my opinion

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      • Originally posted by Hex View Post
        Wow, did Celine get a huge boost in her streaming numbers recently? For a long time she was at 3 million, now chartmasters lists her streaming number at 3.9 million or so, basically the same as Madonna's figure.

        https://chartmasters.org/2017/10/bes...f-all-time/18/
        No, chartmasters changed their methodology recently. They keep changing the weights and streaming services they incorporate.
        Personally I think the website is nice but the majority of those numbers lack credibility and their methodology to get to Album Equivalent Sales is worth what is worth as nothing is official.

        Elvis Presley sales are over 1 billion since 1987 according to Guiness. In 1977/78 Elvis sold over 300 million records (albums and singles) worldwide but as most countries don't track sales and have them online most of Chartmaster numbers before 2005 lack lots of sales (including many sales from Madonna especially outside US).

        Just like in UK there was a change of sales tracking company (and they never get the 80's sales right) in other countries like Brasil (among many more) sales reported in early 90's and 93 (when she went there for Girlie Show) for some albums were higher than sales Chartmasters have (I have no idea where they got them).

        Chartmasters is a fun site but take it all with a grain of salt. Check what streaming services they are using now and what's the proportion of EAS for ech one of them and you will find out what happened.

        I'm sure that if they would get Madonna sales for Portugal they would also be wrong as before 1990 Warner Music was not in Portugal and comissioned the sales to Valentim de Carvalho. Those 80's sales exist on certified awards but Warner Music Portugal (now Warner Records) only keeps tracks of their own sales and so "Like a Virgin", "True Blue" or even "Like a Prayer" sales they have are only since 1990. Internationally I'm sure Warner must have a tracking of all sales as Valentim de Carvalho manufactured and released the records under Warner permission (paying them all copies sold). I'm pretty sure Portugal was not the only country working this way during the 80's when it concerns Warner.
        Last edited by MadNuno; Mon May 24, 2021, 14:31.

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        • Originally posted by menime123 View Post

          I’m hoping (but not expecting) them to finally release the original video officially for the 20th in two years.
          That would be amazing! I just hope they do that! The uncensored video will boost the song streams on youtube big time for sure (especially in HD)!

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          • YouTube Views MADONNA Daily VS Total Views
            Date Daily Views Change Last Week in 7 Days
            7-May-21 Fri 2,307,459 95,290 -83,975 17,495,792
            8-May-21 Sat 2,473,396 165,937 -338,838 17,156,954
            9-May-21 Sun 2,627,134 153,738 -307,550 16,849,404
            10-May-21 Mon 2,628,955 1,821 90,541 16,939,945
            11-May-21 Tue 2,111,598 -517,357 -255,392 16,684,553
            12-May-21 Wed 2,149,937 38,339 -173,905 16,510,648
            13-May-21 Thu 2,185,003 35,066 -27,166 16,483,482
            14-May-21 Fri 2,432,908 247,905 125,449 16,608,931
            15-May-21 Sat 2,451,687 18,779 -21,709 16,587,222
            16-May-21 Sun 2,663,435 211,748 36,301 16,623,523
            17-May-21 Mon 13,994,568
            18-May-21 Tue 0 11,882,970
            19-May-21 Wed 6,684,376 16,417,409
            20-May-21 Thu 2,295,900 110,897 16,528,306
            21-May-21 Fri 2,252,901 -42,999 -180,007 16,348,299
            22-May-21 Sat 2,367,045 114,144 -84,642 16,263,657
            23-May-21 Sun 2,490,602 123,557 -172,833 16,090,824

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            • Madame X on Spotify

              14.05.2021 178.696.855 +77.286
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              21.05.2021 179.189.416 +74.455
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              • Originally posted by MadNuno View Post

                No, chartmasters changed their methodology recently. They keep changing the weights and streaming services they incorporate.
                Personally I think the website is nice but the majority of those numbers lack credibility and their methodology to get to Album Equivalent Sales is worth what is worth as nothing is official.

                Elvis Presley sales are over 1 billion since 1987 according to Guiness. In 1977/78 Elvis sold over 300 million records (albums and singles) worldwide but as most countries don't track sales and have them online most of Chartmaster numbers before 2005 lack lots of sales (including many sales from Madonna especially outside US).

                Just like in UK there was a change of sales tracking company (and they never get the 80's sales right) in other countries like Brasil (among many more) sales reported in early 90's and 93 (when she went there for Girlie Show) for some albums were higher than sales Chartmasters have (I have no idea where they got them).

                Chartmasters is a fun site but take it all with a grain of salt. Check what streaming services they are using now and what's the proportion of EAS for ech one of them and you will find out what happened.

                I'm sure that if they would get Madonna sales for Portugal they would also be wrong as before 1990 Warner Music was not in Portugal and comissioned the sales to Valentim de Carvalho. Those 80's sales exist on certified awards but Warner Music Portugal (now Warner Records) only keeps tracks of their own sales and so "Like a Virgin", "True Blue" or even "Like a Prayer" sales they have are only since 1990. Internationally I'm sure Warner must have a tracking of all sales as Valentim de Carvalho manufactured and released the records under Warner permission (paying them all copies sold). I'm pretty sure Portugal was not the only country working this way during the 80's when it concerns Warner.
                Really interesting information, thank you.

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                • Speaking of chartmasters, I remember one of the site's founders saying they didn't think Madonna's strreaming numbers would increase because Madonna's music sounds dated compared to, say, Michael Jackson's stuff. Madonna's classic hits may not have aged as well as Thriller but they have still aged very well considering they are dance pop hits primarily. I mean, The Immaculate Collection sold something like 30 million globally, clearly someone loves her hits.

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                  • Originally posted by Hex View Post
                    Speaking of chartmasters, I remember one of the site's founders saying they didn't think Madonna's strreaming numbers would increase because Madonna's music sounds dated compared to, say, Michael Jackson's stuff. Madonna's classic hits may not have aged as well as Thriller but they have still aged very well considering they are dance pop hits primarily. I mean, The Immaculate Collection sold something like 30 million globally, clearly someone loves her hits.
                    They said that? That's insane! Most Michael Jackson songs sound much more dated to me than Madonna ones do.

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                    • Originally posted by MadNuno View Post

                      They said that? That's insane! Most Michael Jackson songs sound much more dated to me than Madonna ones do.
                      Yes, they did. I actually said the same thing as you! I said that The Immaculate Collection to MY ears sounds like it has aged better than Thriller. But I understand why others probably feel differently. They then posted the sales of Thriller vs. The Immaculate Collection. I kept saying that sales don't necessarily determine if an album has aged badly or not but I don't think they comprehended my argument. Whitney's music was doing poorly before her death and she is more popular NOW than she was in the 00s. So can we say Whitney's music all of a sudden "aged well"? That argument doesn't make sense to me. Music is ultimately so subjective.

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                      • Madame X on Spotify

                        14.05.2021 178.696.855 +77.286
                        15.05.2021 178.773.174 +76.319
                        16.05.2021 178.839.220 +66.046
                        17.05.2021 178.905.596 +66.376
                        18.05.2021 178.974.815 +69.219
                        19.05.2021 179.044.957 +70.142
                        20.05.2021 179.114.961 +70.004

                        21.05.2021 179.189.416 +74.455
                        22.05.2021 179.263.278 +73.862
                        23.05.2021 179.327.188 +63.910

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                        • Originally posted by Hex View Post

                          Yes, they did. I actually said the same thing as you! I said that The Immaculate Collection to MY ears sounds like it has aged better than Thriller. But I understand why others probably feel differently. They then posted the sales of Thriller vs. The Immaculate Collection. I kept saying that sales don't necessarily determine if an album has aged badly or not but I don't think they comprehended my argument. Whitney's music was doing poorly before her death and she is more popular NOW than she was in the 00s. So can we say Whitney's music all of a sudden "aged well"? That argument doesn't make sense to me. Music is ultimately so subjective.
                          Indeed. Ultimately the only persons that can really say if a song aged well or not are the teenagers from today that are exposed to all those songs for the first time. Those are the ones that can ultimately verify which songs seem old and which ones seem newer.

                          The guys doing Chartmasters ain't teenagers a long time ago for sure and their argument is ultracrap as they do not know who listens to what exactly. I actually listen to much more people saying that Madonna songs aged better than Michael songs. Besides Michael Jackson is dead already so it's impossible to compare his sales and streams with living artists. "Thriller" was massivelly promoted during the 00's decade also with a huge 25 years re-edition in a decade Michael barely released any new songs. If it wasn't for that re-edition and "Thriller" would have had lower sales than TIC during that decade until his death. "Thriller" album sounds exactly what it is: an early 80's album with good production. Just like most Madonna songs on TIC sound the same (very good 80's production) - except maybe for "Crazy For You", "Live To Tell", "La Isla Bonita" and '89 on songs.

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                          • Originally posted by Hex View Post
                            Speaking of chartmasters, I remember one of the site's founders saying they didn't think Madonna's strreaming numbers would increase because Madonna's music sounds dated compared to, say, Michael Jackson's stuff. Madonna's classic hits may not have aged as well as Thriller but they have still aged very well considering they are dance pop hits primarily. I mean, The Immaculate Collection sold something like 30 million globally, clearly someone loves her hits.
                            MJ's discography sounds by far more dated than Madonna's. I've heard many time that someone from Chartmasters is a MJ stan so i'm not shocked.
                            Blue hydrangea, cold cash divine. Cashmere, cologne and white sunshine.
                            Red racing cars, sunset and vine. And we were young and pretty.

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                            • Both Madonna and MJ music from the 80s sounds dated, you don't have to be a teenager to understand it There are some exceptions from both of them, like Love Song could confuse someone about the decade it was released. But the majority of their 80s discography sounds dated and it isn't bad to sound dated, they still listenable. But Madonna has many songs from the 90s/00s that aged very well.
                              Blue hydrangea, cold cash divine. Cashmere, cologne and white sunshine.
                              Red racing cars, sunset and vine. And we were young and pretty.

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                              • Madame X on Spotify

                                14.05.2021 178.696.855 +77.286
                                15.05.2021 178.773.174 +76.319
                                16.05.2021 178.839.220 +66.046
                                17.05.2021 178.905.596 +66.376
                                18.05.2021 178.974.815 +69.219
                                19.05.2021 179.044.957 +70.142
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                                21.05.2021 179.189.416 +74.455
                                22.05.2021 179.263.278 +73.862
                                23.05.2021 179.327.188 +63.910
                                24.05.2021 179.391.132 +63.944

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                                • Madonna, Quavo - Eurovision Song Contest 2019 on Youtube

                                  2021/05/17 9,984
                                  2021/05/18 11,390
                                  2021/05/19 11,726
                                  2021/05/20 12,516
                                  2021/05/21 12,570
                                  2021/05/22 17,089
                                  2021/05/23 18,283

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                                  • Originally posted by DevilPray View Post

                                    MJ's discography sounds by far more dated than Madonna's. I've heard many time that someone from Chartmasters is a MJ stan so i'm not shocked.
                                    Yes. The webmaster calls Michael Jackson Dangerous. He was part of UKmix for a long time. But the guy put her own rules, he created things to put Michael Jackson always a top and when he describes to Madonnas page in his site he always put down her success. Michael Jackson stan always hates Madonna. His work is amazing but he is not very honest.

                                    He doesnt considered the tours and # 1 s WW. I dont know how Michael sold more singles than Madonna according to him. This is a joke.
                                    Last edited by MusicGoddess; Thu May 27, 2021, 10:46.

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                                    • Obviously Madonna’s 80s work does sound dated, but it has also aged incredibly well too. Firstly, a good song will always be a good song, so she has that going for her, but secondly, her songs are immaculately produced - there is a timelessness to them whereas a lot of 80s music sounds very much of its time: for example, Kylie Minogue.

                                      MJ’s catalogue has the exact same strengths as Madonna’s in this regard, however Madonna is let down significantly by the fact Who’s That Girl, Like a Prayer and The Immaculate Collection haven’t been remastered yet.
                                      Everyone is entitled to my opinion

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                                      • Album: The Immaculate Collection


                                        iTunes:
                                        #29 Germany (+3)
                                        #161 Bermuda (-6)
                                        #178 United Kingdom (+367)
                                        #366 United States (+59)
                                        #445 Australia (+13)



                                        Apple Music:
                                        #559 United Kingdom (-20)

                                        Madonna is The most successful and influential female artist of all time.

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                                        • Originally posted by MusicGoddess View Post

                                          Yes. The webmaster calls Michael Jackson Dangerous. He was part of UKmix for a long time. But the guy put her own rules, he created things to put Michael Jackson always a top and when he describes to Madonnas page in his site he always put down her success. Michael Jackson stan always hates Madonna. His work is amazing but he is not very honest.

                                          He doesnt considered the tours are # 1 s WW. I dont know how Michael sold more singles than Madonna according to him. This is a joke.
                                          It's the classic narrative that MJ has to be the best at everything, the best entertainer, the best musician, the best singer, the best lyricist, the best dancer etc. I don't expect anything else by MJ stans, even tho i don't count chartmasters as an official source, i use the site only for spotify streams updates.
                                          Blue hydrangea, cold cash divine. Cashmere, cologne and white sunshine.
                                          Red racing cars, sunset and vine. And we were young and pretty.

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                                          • Express Yourself music video was upgraded to HD , the thumbnail or title hasn't changed yet tho.

                                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsVcUzP_O_8

                                            31,643,769 views
                                            126,299 likes
                                            lets see how much it does in the next 24 hours.

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                                            • Originally posted by raindrops View Post
                                              Express Yourself music video was upgraded to HD , the thumbnail or title hasn't changed yet tho.

                                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsVcUzP_O_8

                                              31,643,769 views
                                              126,299 likes
                                              lets see how much it does in the next 24 hours.
                                              Her team didn’t even tweet about it, ugh

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                                              • Originally posted by MadNuno View Post

                                                They said that? That's insane! Most Michael Jackson songs sound much more dated to me than Madonna ones do.
                                                Well, the guy behind chartmasters is a huge Michael Jackson fan and an ex ukmixer. If I'm not wrong, he was banned for being a blind Stan. He also did not liked Madonna at all.
                                                So, there's that...
                                                "Complaining is an advertisement for stupidity"

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                                                • Madame X on Spotify

                                                  14.05.2021 178.696.855 +77.286
                                                  15.05.2021 178.773.174 +76.319
                                                  16.05.2021 178.839.220 +66.046
                                                  17.05.2021 178.905.596 +66.376
                                                  18.05.2021 178.974.815 +69.219
                                                  19.05.2021 179.044.957 +70.142
                                                  20.05.2021 179.114.961 +70.004

                                                  21.05.2021 179.189.416 +74.455
                                                  22.05.2021 179.263.278 +73.862
                                                  23.05.2021 179.327.188 +63.910
                                                  24.05.2021 179.391.132 +63.944
                                                  25.05.2021 179.459.368 +68.236

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                                                  • Originally posted by MusicGoddess View Post

                                                    He doesnt considered the tours are # 1 s WW. I dont know how Michael sold more singles than Madonna according to him. This is a joke.
                                                    He didn't sold more singles than Madonna and Madonna sold much more singles than they report. Unfortunally Chartmasters will someday die as it's not accurate enough to survive. Most numbers there are manipulated - including Elvis and Beatles numbers that are all way higher than Michael Jackson and yet he downsized them a lot.

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