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  • #61
    Originally posted by Westen View Post
    I still don't see a reason for discrediting SUCCESS.

    It's like saying 'Ariana has big fanbase now and that's why she's getting #1s'. You're stating the obvious.

    The fact is that MDNA was #12 on IFPI's YEC. On top of that it received certifications in 20 countries - even few multiplatinum. And that alone is huge success for such a terrible album and non era. You just have to accept that.
    I'm not discrediting her success I'm just agreeing with @theMathematician that "Hard Candy" was her last era with certain level of relevance.

    And nope what I stated it's not similar to Ariana's current performance because it's not that hard to determine when something is fan-oriented and when something is GP oriented, I honestly hear Ariana everywhere, gyms, cars, parties, radio stations, shopping centers, stores, girls posting about her on social media, just 2 days ago my neighbors were having a party and I could hear them playing Ariana songs, the girl is everywhere at the moment so you can easily deduce that even though the girl's fanbase is growing the general public is clearly supporting her too . . . . "MDNA" was successful in a different way, and I realized it was mostly a fan-oriented era / album because I never heard anything about it outside of Madonna forums / pop forums, never heard her songs out there in daily life or people talking about Madonna around that time or anything, the more frontloaded performance of the album quite also confirmed it was more fanbase-centric and honestly I don't think that many people outside of her fanbase even know what "MDNA" is . . . people who are not her fans must think it is some kind of new drug or something if you mention MDNA to them.


    "MDNA" was successful commercially-wise for sure, her fanbase did a great job and we have discussed plenty of times how amazing she did for her age and after so many decades in the business, she had enough power and fans to score easy certifications everywhere . . . but that doesn't mean it was a big thing among the GP and that's what I meant, "MDNA" was an era for her fans.
    Last edited by MrLeonix; Mon April 15th, 2019, 21:29.
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    • #62
      I agree, "MDNA" was platinum in my country but I never listened to any of its singles that often on the radio. Which was odd considering how big her singles were, even Give i 2 me was massive.

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      • #63
        Her last big hit on the charts was 4 Minutes from Hard Candy. The song exploded all over the world peaking at #1 and #3 in the US. That’s truly the last time she really ruled the charts.

        Gaging from the release midweek, Guy O and M should realize that her fans want to see her succeed and chart high. After all we are the ones downloading and streaming her stuff over and over!

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        • #64
          Originally posted by babyshower View Post
          I agree, "MDNA" was platinum in my country but I never listened to any of its singles that often on the radio. Which was odd considering how big her singles were, even Give i 2 me was massive.
          Hard Candy’s Give It 2 Me was ICONIC and AMAZING.

          Even the SS tour was so great that she came back for another sold out run. Hard Candy era definitely the last huge era.

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          • #65
            and it was considered a failure due to its American chart performance, by the way ^

            No wonder she is done trying with them

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            • #66
              Guys if you like to discuss her previous achievements, do it in her Charts & Sales thread. This thread is already becoming a mess before the single release.

              I heard Justin is releasing a single on Friday so he'll be #1 on iTunes all around the world. While the sales are irrelevant, being #1 on many iTunes market is still important for marketing strategy. People will look at itunes chart and see Madonna at #1 on Wednesday thus giving her visibility for general public.
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              • #67
                So the Madame ❌ era begins in a little more than 24 hours. I just hope it’s some really good music and we can sink our teeth into.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Zeph View Post
                  So the Madame ❌ era begins in a little more than 24 hours. I just hope it’s some really good music and we can sink our teeth into.
                  It probably won't come out at midnight if they're making video premiere too. Videos rarely come out at midnight.
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                  • #69
                    The Medellin (Music) Vídeo will released on MTV (April 17th, 2019) according to [MENTION=12204]MTV[/MENTION] [MENTION=12204]MTV[/MENTION]UK [MENTION=12204]MTV[/MENTION]EMAs on twitter.
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                    • #70
                      Madonna & MTV re-united, nostalgic and exciting times
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                      • #71
                        Some of you are going REALLY off topic.
                        Please, keep this topic about her new era and avoid unnecessary fights.

                        Don’t worry too much about the Wednesday release.
                        Yes, I hate them too, but that’s the common thing nowadays. Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday... artists/labels release singles whenever they feel like. And the strategy is to avoid your song being overshadowed by all the other Friday releases.

                        I’ve stated in the past that is a bad idea for artists with no streaming power whose only chance of charting in the low region of the Hot 100 is on week 1 thanks mainly to sales. But the thing is that won’t be (or shouldn’t be) the case with “Medellín”. I would agree if this was a solo single. But it’s a featuring with Maluma. And even if some still keep underestimating him just because he’s not famous in their country, he has great numbers on Spotify and specially in YouTube. The song will probably have Spotify’s playlists support that she didn’t have with RH singles and probably wouldn’t have had with a solo single.
                        Same thing with the YouTube Views. Many people who will never watch a Madonna video will check the new Maluma video (his latest music video, for example, has 200M views in 1.5 months)

                        So, this is not an “Ashes” or “GTFO” scenario...

                        It’s more of a “Made for now” scenario, that charted on Hot 100 mainly thanks to the YouTube views. Yes, its numbers are not huge, but they’re way better than her previous singles (61M views on YouTube vs. 22M of No Sleeep in 4 years).

                        I’m sure the song can be a hit, specially in Europe and Latin America. So don’t worry about the Wednesday release.

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                        • #72
                          Maluma only had one song as lead artist that appeared in top 100 on Spotify in US (lower side of 80s), had none in UK and Australia... Let's see that streaming power...

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                          • #73
                            Thanks you [MENTION=19930]nympho[/MENTION]
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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by spiritboy View Post
                              People will look at itunes chart and see Madonna at #1 on Wednesday thus giving her visibility for general public.
                              I am not so sure the new single is going to be #1 on iTunes worldwide. iTunes is irrelevant, I know, and it should be easy due to her fanbase, but downloads of Champagne Rosé, or Ghosttown, which by the way was never leaked, were really poor.

                              Also the streaming numbers of the MET Gala and the new teaser on her Youtube channel are really low.

                              I think the song may be a hit or a sleeper, but don't take anything for granted cause she's been away for an eternity and we may be really disappointed on Wednesday.

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                              • #75
                                I expect at least 30 million views for the video in week1 and probably also around 30 million streams. Maluma will carry this and it will fly.

                                If things go well, this could very well debut in the top 20 on the H100.
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                                • #76
                                  ^ i think thats too optimistic. Maluma has pull on his own but Madonna doesnt on YT and Spotify. Theres no guarantee that a featuring will translate into streams.

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                                  • #77
                                    Originally posted by flotando View Post
                                    I am not so sure the new single is going to be #1 on iTunes worldwide. iTunes is irrelevant, I know, and it should be easy due to her fanbase, but downloads of Champagne Rosé, or Ghosttown, which by the way was never leaked, were really poor.
                                    It's way easier to hit #1 on itunes these days than years ago (even Aguilera did it last year) so I think Madonna might easily hit #1 on itunes on day 1 at least.

                                    However as you say, itunes is irrelevant these days to the point of seeing cases about songs hitting #1 on itunes that still failed chart entirely on the Hot 100 . . so for this new single I wouldn't give too much importance to itunes (Spotify, Radio Airplay and Youtube are the formats we need to pay attention to).

                                    Originally posted by stevyy View Post
                                    If things go well, this could very well debut in the top 20 on the H100.
                                    Stop trolling.
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                                    • #78
                                      Originally posted by Westen View Post
                                      Maluma only had one song as lead artist that appeared in top 100 on Spotify in US (lower side of 80s), had none in UK and Australia... Let's see that streaming power...
                                      He’s the #28 artist today in Spotify and he has 22.5 million monthly listeners.
                                      He has several music videos with more than 1 Billion views.
                                      You can keep focusing on those 3 markets if you want to and keep pretending he’s unknown and has no streaming power.

                                      I’m sure Madonna, her team and label will be more than pleased to have great streaming numbers from many other places.

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                                      • #79
                                        Exactly, I think Madonna doesn't care that much about US, like it's been said I think she just wants to reach new audiences and grow her streaming numbers no matter the place they come from (if she gets a sh*tload of streams in Bolivia she will welcome that for sure).
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                                        • #80
                                          Originally posted by Zeph View Post
                                          Releasing it on a Wednesday with only *1* of streaming points is definitely a horrible idea. Why not release on a Friday and give it a proper full week? Wouldn’t that be the smart thing to do?? She is Madonna after all.
                                          https://www.billboard.com/articles/b...ases-explained

                                          Why Thursday Is the New Friday for New Tunes
                                          8/10/2017 by Steve Knopper

                                          Why some artists are breaking the industry's Friday-release rule: "It's a little bit less about the chart game, a little bit more about the global reach game."

                                          Major Lazer's single "Know No Better" has racked up over 119 *million streams on Spotify since the six-song EP of the same name was released June 1. But the EP sold only 1,000 *copies in its first week, *according to Nielsen Music.

                                          The reason for the tepid start: It was released on a Thursday, an increasingly popular yet risky tactic that artists and their labels are using to maximize exposure and stand out from the Friday pack.

                                          "It's a little bit less about the chart game, a little bit more about the global reach game," says Zack Gershen, executive vp at mTheory, a management services firm that advises Major Lazer and advocates violating the Friday-release rule.

                                          Though Friday has been the global industry's official day for new music for the past two years, star acts are jumping the gun with increasing frequency. The strategy can help cut through the noise while *giving the Australian, Asian and European markets more time to drive music up the global streaming charts and through social media, since Australia's Friday is well *underway by the time New York's *officially begins. The year's biggest hit, the Justin Bieber-assisted remix of "Despacito," arrived on a Monday.


                                          Going early is a gamble for several reasons. First-week sales of a Thursday release appear puny (because the music has been on the market for only a sliver of the Friday-to-Friday week), while an early release that might have been No. 1 could start *slipping on the charts by the time Friday *competitors enter the race. Early releasers also risk *getting overlooked by fans who are used to searching for new tunes on Fridays.

                                          Tom Corson, president/COO of RCA Records, which recently put out Kesha's "Praying" and Miley Cyrus' "Malibu" on separate Thursdays, *supports the *strategy but notes that it requires a lot of extra work, and "the *streaming services and platforms don't always like it either."

                                          But for stars such as Sam Hunt, who released "Drinkin' Too Much" on a Sunday and "Body Like a Back Road" on a Wednesday, breaking the rule appears to be *paying off.

                                          "You're *separating *yourself from *everything else that's *coming out on Friday," says Hunt's manager, Brad Belanger. "Anybody can pop up big sales for one or two weeks. It's where are you at week 16 -- that's what I'm *interested in."

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                                          • #81
                                            I’m personally super curious as to how this new era will do in Portugal 😂

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                                            • #82
                                              Originally posted by MusicLover88 View Post
                                              I’m personally super curious as to how this new era will do in Portugal ��
                                              I expect #1 debuts in Portugal, Spain, and since she's Madonna also in Italy
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                                              • #83
                                                Originally posted by MusicLover88 View Post
                                                I’m personally super curious as to how this new era will do in Portugal ��
                                                She has Italy, Portugal, Spain, Mexico and Brazil pretty much in her bag.
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                                                • #84
                                                  Haha I know, but I was saying Portugal in particular since it’s like her home at this point.

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                                                  • #85
                                                    Originally posted by thebigham View Post
                                                    https://www.billboard.com/articles/b...ases-explained

                                                    Why Thursday Is the New Friday for New Tunes
                                                    8/10/2017 by Steve Knopper

                                                    Why some artists are breaking the industry's Friday-release rule: "It's a little bit less about the chart game, a little bit more about the global reach game."

                                                    Major Lazer's single "Know No Better" has racked up over 119 *million streams on Spotify since the six-song EP of the same name was released June 1. But the EP sold only 1,000 *copies in its first week, *according to Nielsen Music.

                                                    The reason for the tepid start: It was released on a Thursday, an increasingly popular yet risky tactic that artists and their labels are using to maximize exposure and stand out from the Friday pack.

                                                    "It's a little bit less about the chart game, a little bit more about the global reach game," says Zack Gershen, executive vp at mTheory, a management services firm that advises Major Lazer and advocates violating the Friday-release rule.

                                                    Though Friday has been the global industry's official day for new music for the past two years, star acts are jumping the gun with increasing frequency. The strategy can help cut through the noise while *giving the Australian, Asian and European markets more time to drive music up the global streaming charts and through social media, since Australia's Friday is well *underway by the time New York's *officially begins. The year's biggest hit, the Justin Bieber-assisted remix of "Despacito," arrived on a Monday.


                                                    Going early is a gamble for several reasons. First-week sales of a Thursday release appear puny (because the music has been on the market for only a sliver of the Friday-to-Friday week), while an early release that might have been No. 1 could start *slipping on the charts by the time Friday *competitors enter the race. Early releasers also risk *getting overlooked by fans who are used to searching for new tunes on Fridays.

                                                    Tom Corson, president/COO of RCA Records, which recently put out Kesha's "Praying" and Miley Cyrus' "Malibu" on separate Thursdays, *supports the *strategy but notes that it requires a lot of extra work, and "the *streaming services and platforms don't always like it either."

                                                    But for stars such as Sam Hunt, who released "Drinkin' Too Much" on a Sunday and "Body Like a Back Road" on a Wednesday, breaking the rule appears to be *paying off.

                                                    "You're *separating *yourself from *everything else that's *coming out on Friday," says Hunt's manager, Brad Belanger. "Anybody can pop up big sales for one or two weeks. It's where are you at week 16 -- that's what I'm *interested in."
                                                    I thought about it and it makes sense considering Justin Bieber is also releasing a track on Friday. So it gives M, at least two days to capitalize on the PR and rule the iTunes Charts. Longevity is key and that’s what we are all hoping for!

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                                                    • #86
                                                      Originally posted by Zeph View Post
                                                      I thought about it and it makes sense considering Justin Bieber is also releasing a track on Friday. So it gives M, at least two days to capitalize on the PR and rule the iTunes Charts. Longevity is key and that’s what we are all hoping for!
                                                      Longevity?
                                                      This single isn’t going nowhere.
                                                      Lucky if it will chart in some countries
                                                      You guys must lower your expectations.

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                                                      • #87
                                                        Originally posted by CandyShop View Post
                                                        Longevity?
                                                        This single isn’t going nowhere.
                                                        Lucky if it will chart in some countries
                                                        You guys must lower your expectations.
                                                        This single is definitely charting in Latin America and Europe, that is the hope. Whether it hits the Hot 100 will depend on Maluma’s video streams. Would be nice to see Madonna on Billboard’s Latin American and Spanish chart. Now that will be a new milestone for and something for the media to report.

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                                                        • #88
                                                          Originally posted by Zeph View Post
                                                          This single is definitely charting in Latin America and Europe, that is the hope. Whether it hits the Hot 100 will depend on Maluma’s video streams. Would be nice to see Madonna on Billboard’s Latin American and Spanish chart. Now that will be a new milestone for and something for the media to report.
                                                          M has charted a couple of times on BB's Latin Pop chart (10 times) and even went top 10 with Verás I believe, maybe with the new single she could reach a new peak on that chart

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                                                          • #89
                                                            Originally posted by Zeph View Post
                                                            This single is definitely charting in Latin America and Europe, that is the hope. Whether it hits the Hot 100 will depend on Maluma’s video streams. Would be nice to see Madonna on Billboard’s Latin American and Spanish chart. Now that will be a new milestone for and something for the media to report.
                                                            Just to clarify . . There's not a Billboard Chart for Latin America as a whole, the chart known as "Hot Latin Songs" covers the most succesful latin songs IN USA. It's pretty much one of the many US Billboard component and genre charts such as there is "Hot R&B/Hip Hop Songs", "Hot Country Songs", "Hot Rock Songs", "Dance Club Songs", "Christian Songs", etc. Like all of these component charts the "Hot Latin Songs" HAS NOTHING to do with how the songs perform in Latin America.

                                                            In Latin America there aren't that many official singles charts, there are mostly local airplay charts and stuff like that (we pretty much look at Spotify, Youtube stats and certifications to determine when a song is considered a hit over here).

                                                            As far as I know the only Billboard charts for specific countries in Latin America (and which are relatively new BTW) are:

                                                            - Argentina Hot 100
                                                            - Billboard Brazil (which features some charts such as "Brasil Hot 100 Airplay" and "Brasil Hot Pop Songs")

                                                            And that's it.
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                                                            • #90
                                                              Originally posted by MrLeonix View Post
                                                              She has Italy, Portugal, Spain, Mexico and Brazil pretty much in her bag.
                                                              Yes she deserves hit #1 in LatinoAmerica.
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