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  • Originally posted by thebigham View Post
    For the USA, I'm thinking 75-90k.
    She's doing a huge tour with ticket bundles, anything under 150k will be disappointing.
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    • ^Prepare to be disappointed.

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      • Ticket bundles for a name like her mean A LOT of sales.
        I agree with spiritboy and Wayne, 150k is not even an optimist guess.

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        • Originally posted by spiritboy View Post
          She's doing a huge tour with ticket bundles, anything under 150k will be disappointing.
          It's a hard call, yep, she's the biggest female vocalist out there in her age group.
          In the UK, westlife going for that #1.

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          • Originally posted by spiritboy View Post
            She's doing a huge tour with ticket bundles, anything under 150k will be disappointing.
            It's a hard call, yep, she's the biggest female vocalist out there in her age group.
            In the UK, westlife going for that #1.

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            • Originally posted by Marchum View Post
              Ticket bundles for a name like her mean A LOT of sales.
              I agree with spiritboy and Wayne, 150k is not even an optimist guess.
              If it wasn’t for the bundle I wouldn’t see her to ammass more than 50k for her debut in USA

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              • I really want to know why y’all are so sure this non-factor of a band is going to beat Celine....

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                • Originally posted by CandyShop View Post
                  If it wasn’t for the bundle I wouldn’t see her to ammass more than 50k for her debut in USA
                  A good job she’s got plenty of key markets to rely on to make up the difference then isn’t it!

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                  • Exactly, she has Canada, France and UK. If Courage does 120K in US, it could easily pass 300K globally the first week.

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                    • Originally posted by CandyShop View Post
                      If it wasn’t for the bundle I wouldn’t see her to ammass more than 50k for her debut in USA
                      Unlike Madonna, Céline has strong markets to fall back on so don't worry about her sales. It will outsell MX by week 2.
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                      • Originally posted by imlookedat81 View Post
                        Exactly, she has Canada, France and UK. If Courage does 120K in US, it could easily pass 300K globally the first week.
                        ...and the Netherlands, Belgium, Switzerland and Poland which add up to a sizeable number.

                        In addition to this, she's also spent time touring other key markets over the last few years (Australia, Japan and most of Asia) so it will be interesting to see whether this has an impact on her numbers.

                        She doesn't rely on the US to shift anything, as we've seen countless times over the last few years - I also don't accept that she'd "only" sell 50k without a bundle, that's rubbish.

                        She did 72k with Loved Me Back To Life (and that had no supporting tour) - are you trying to tell me that if 700,000 people buy her tickets, less than 10% of that number wouldn't then buy her new album?

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                        • Originally posted by spiritboy View Post
                          Unlike Madonna, Céline has strong markets to fall back on so don't worry about her sales. It will outsell MX by week 2.
                          What does M have to do with this and my comment here?

                          U re always trying to start fire..... troll

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                          • Originally posted by Wayne View Post
                            ...and the Netherlands, Belgium, Switzerland and Poland which add up to a sizeable number.

                            In addition to this, she's also spent time touring other key markets over the last few years (Australia, Japan and most of Asia) so it will be interesting to see whether this has an impact on her numbers.

                            She doesn't rely on the US to shift anything, as we've seen countless times over the last few years - I also don't accept that she'd "only" sell 50k without a bundle, that's rubbish.

                            She did 72k with Loved Me Back To Life (and that had no supporting tour) - are you trying to tell me that if 700,000 people buy her tickets, less than 10% of that number wouldn't then buy her new album?
                            Did u read my comment? The figure I predict for USA ( not more tha 50k ) didn’t take into account the bundle, and it’s quite realistic, also considering her disappointing debut with LMBTL

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                            • Originally posted by CandyShop View Post
                              What does M have to do with this and my comment here?

                              U re always trying to start fire..... troll
                              You are the one trying to shade Céline in her own topic. We see you.
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                              • Trying to shade? What u te talking about??

                                I report u.....and not reply to you again...
                                Last edited by CandyShop; Thu November 14th, 2019, 12:46.

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                                • Originally posted by CandyShop View Post
                                  If it wasn’t for the bundle I wouldn’t see her to ammass more than 50k for her debut in USA
                                  No different than Madonna, Mariah, Bublé and Bocelli....
                                  Bubble and Bocelli did over the 100K - Bocelli did 126,000 with an Arena tour bundle.

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                                  • Madonna also would've sold around 50k without ticket bundles. They are all legacy acts and unless they are doing a massive tour, we shouldn't expect big numbers. But i have confidence in Céline Dion, she'll do well.

                                    There's a rumor that Drake will drop a new album in November. Hope it's not this week.
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                                    • Celine should do around 100 - 150K with the bundle. She has maintained her core audience and still appeals to an album buying demographic. The tour is huge, it feels like a celebration of her seen as it's her first World Tour in a while. So I would be surprised for her if she doesn't debut with well over 100K first week.

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                                      • Now out in New Zealand
                                        Album: Courage, 1st country.
                                        iTunes:
                                        #2 New Zealand
                                        #9 New Zealand

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                                        • #1 iTunes Australia

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                                          • Originally posted by imlookedat81 View Post
                                            #1 iTunes Australia
                                            Love it.

                                            Hopefully does well on physicals as iTunes means bugger all nowadays.

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                                            • Go Celine!

                                              Album: Courage

                                              iTunes (8x #1):
                                              #1 Belgium
                                              #1 Egypt
                                              #1 Finland
                                              #1 France
                                              #1 Hungary
                                              #1 Israel
                                              #1 Romania
                                              #1 Spain
                                              #2 Australia
                                              #2 Indonesia
                                              #2 Qatar
                                              #2 Slovakia
                                              #2 South Africa
                                              #2 Turkey
                                              #2 United Arab Emirates
                                              #3 India
                                              #3 Malaysia
                                              #3 Netherlands
                                              #3 Philippines
                                              #3 Singapore
                                              #3 Thailand
                                              #3 United Arab Emirates
                                              #4 Italy
                                              #4 New Zealand
                                              #4 Taiwan
                                              #4 Vietnam
                                              #5 Moldova
                                              #6 Indonesia
                                              #6 Russia
                                              #7 Finland
                                              #7 South Africa
                                              #8 France
                                              #8 Switzerland
                                              #9 New Zealand
                                              #11 Belgium
                                              #12 Italy
                                              #15 Australia
                                              #15 Austria
                                              #18 Turkey
                                              #29 Cyprus
                                              #45 Germany
                                              #47 Bulgaria
                                              #73 Kenya
                                              #91 Estonia
                                              #111 Russia
                                              #116 Kazakhstan
                                              #176 Saudi Arabia
                                              #177 Saudi Arabia
                                              CELINE DION - THE WORLD'S BIGGEST SELLING ARTIST OF THE LAST 25 YEARS

                                              www.celinedioncharts.com

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                                              • Album: Courage (total #1s counting with Australia = 12 #1s)

                                                iTunes (11x #1):
                                                #1 Belgium
                                                #1 Denmark
                                                #1 Egypt
                                                #1 Finland
                                                #1 France
                                                #1 Greece
                                                #1 Hungary
                                                #1 Israel
                                                #1 Poland
                                                #1 Romania
                                                #1 Spain
                                                #2 Australia
                                                #2 Indonesia
                                                #2 Qatar
                                                #2 Slovakia
                                                #2 South Africa
                                                #2 Sweden
                                                #2 Turkey
                                                #2 United Arab Emirates
                                                #3 India
                                                #3 Malaysia
                                                #3 Netherlands
                                                #3 Singapore
                                                #3 Thailand
                                                #3 United Arab Emirates
                                                #4 Italy
                                                #4 New Zealand
                                                #4 Philippines
                                                #4 Taiwan
                                                #4 Vietnam
                                                #5 Moldova
                                                #6 Indonesia
                                                #6 Jordan
                                                #6 Russia
                                                #7 Finland
                                                #7 South Africa
                                                #8 France
                                                #8 Switzerland
                                                #9 New Zealand
                                                #11 Belgium
                                                #12 Italy
                                                #14 Sweden
                                                #15 Australia
                                                #15 Austria
                                                #18 Turkey
                                                #27 Denmark
                                                #29 Cyprus
                                                #45 Germany
                                                #47 Bulgaria
                                                #73 Kenya
                                                #91 Estonia
                                                #111 Russia
                                                #116 Kazakhstan
                                                #176 Saudi Arabia
                                                #177 Saudi Arabia

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                                                • Now you all got me confused with what I should expect from bundles. My 150-200k predictions are cut in half because I've also tracked her on iTunes pre-order chart. She barely hit top 10 every now and then. It will all depend on availability of physical copies in Target, Walmart and similar chains. As for the tickets, I was also going to compare her to Bocelli or Buble, but now... Hmmm... I guess anything above 75k should be a success. Madonna would sell around 40k if there wasn't for bundles, and I'd like to say that Celine preserved more hardcore mature fanbase, but did she?

                                                  Anyways, I am super happy with the album overall.

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                                                  • Originally posted by Washingtonian25 View Post
                                                    Now you all got me confused with what I should expect from bundles. My 150-200k predictions are cut in half because I've also tracked her on iTunes pre-order chart. She barely hit top 10 every now and then. It will all depend on availability of physical copies in Target, Walmart and similar chains. As for the tickets, I was also going to compare her to Bocelli or Buble, but now... Hmmm... I guess anything above 75k should be a success. Madonna would sell around 40k if there wasn't for bundles, and I'd like to say that Celine preserved more hardcore mature fanbase, but did she?

                                                    Anyways, I am super happy with the album overall.
                                                    Pre-orders literally don’t mean anything but stored sales, it’s not a metric of how successful an album’s debut is
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                                                    • Originally posted by celinehit View Post
                                                      Album: Courage (total #1s counting with Australia = 12 #1s)

                                                      iTunes (11x #1):
                                                      #1 Belgium
                                                      #1 Denmark
                                                      #1 Egypt
                                                      #1 Finland
                                                      #1 France
                                                      #1 Greece
                                                      #1 Hungary
                                                      #1 Israel
                                                      #1 Poland
                                                      #1 Romania
                                                      #1 Spain
                                                      #2 Australia
                                                      #2 Indonesia
                                                      #2 Qatar
                                                      #2 Slovakia
                                                      #2 South Africa
                                                      #2 Sweden
                                                      #2 Turkey
                                                      #2 United Arab Emirates
                                                      #3 India
                                                      #3 Malaysia
                                                      #3 Netherlands
                                                      #3 Singapore
                                                      #3 Thailand
                                                      #3 United Arab Emirates
                                                      #4 Italy
                                                      #4 New Zealand
                                                      #4 Philippines
                                                      #4 Taiwan
                                                      #4 Vietnam
                                                      #5 Moldova
                                                      #6 Indonesia
                                                      #6 Jordan
                                                      #6 Russia
                                                      #7 Finland
                                                      #7 South Africa
                                                      #8 France
                                                      #8 Switzerland
                                                      #9 New Zealand
                                                      #11 Belgium
                                                      #12 Italy
                                                      #14 Sweden
                                                      #15 Australia
                                                      #15 Austria
                                                      #18 Turkey
                                                      #27 Denmark
                                                      #29 Cyprus
                                                      #45 Germany
                                                      #47 Bulgaria
                                                      #73 Kenya
                                                      #91 Estonia
                                                      #111 Russia
                                                      #116 Kazakhstan
                                                      #176 Saudi Arabia
                                                      #177 Saudi Arabia
                                                      iTunes (19x #1):
                                                      #1 Belgium
                                                      #1 Cyprus
                                                      #1 Czech Republic
                                                      #1 Denmark
                                                      #1 Egypt
                                                      #1 Finland
                                                      #1 France
                                                      #1 Greece
                                                      #1 Hungary
                                                      #1 Israel
                                                      #1 Luxembourg
                                                      #1 Norway
                                                      #1 Poland
                                                      #1 Qatar
                                                      #1 Romania
                                                      #1 Slovakia
                                                      #1 Slovenia
                                                      #1 Spain
                                                      #1 Switzerland


                                                      Total = 20 #1s overall

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                                                      • Originally posted by celinehit View Post
                                                        iTunes (19x #1):
                                                        #1 Belgium
                                                        #1 Cyprus
                                                        #1 Czech Republic
                                                        #1 Denmark
                                                        #1 Egypt
                                                        #1 Finland
                                                        #1 France
                                                        #1 Greece
                                                        #1 Hungary
                                                        #1 Israel
                                                        #1 Luxembourg
                                                        #1 Norway
                                                        #1 Poland
                                                        #1 Qatar
                                                        #1 Romania
                                                        #1 Slovakia
                                                        #1 Slovenia
                                                        #1 Spain
                                                        #1 Switzerland


                                                        Total = 20 #1s overall
                                                        Album: Courage

                                                        iTunes (22x #1):
                                                        #1 Argentina
                                                        #1 Belgium
                                                        #1 Brazil
                                                        #1 Cyprus
                                                        #1 Czech Republic
                                                        #1 Denmark
                                                        #1 Egypt
                                                        #1 Finland
                                                        #1 France
                                                        #1 Greece
                                                        #1 Hungary
                                                        #1 Israel
                                                        #1 Luxembourg
                                                        #1 Norway
                                                        #1 Poland
                                                        #1 Portugal
                                                        #1 Qatar
                                                        #1 Romania
                                                        #1 Slovakia
                                                        #1 Slovenia
                                                        #1 Spain
                                                        #1 Switzerland

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                                                        • #1 Argentina
                                                          #1 Belgium
                                                          #1 Brazil
                                                          #1 Cyprus
                                                          #1 Czech Republic
                                                          #1 Denmark
                                                          #1 Egypt
                                                          #1 Finland
                                                          #1 France
                                                          #1 Greece
                                                          #1 Hungary
                                                          #1 Israel
                                                          #1 Luxembourg
                                                          #1 Norway
                                                          #1 Poland
                                                          #1 Portugal
                                                          #1 Qatar
                                                          #1 Romania
                                                          #1 Slovakia
                                                          #1 Slovenia
                                                          #1 Spain
                                                          #1 Switzerland
                                                          #2 United States
                                                          #2 United Kingdom
                                                          #2 Argentina
                                                          #2 Australia
                                                          #2 Austria
                                                          #2 Canada
                                                          #2 Estonia
                                                          #2 Germany
                                                          #2 Indonesia
                                                          #2 Ireland
                                                          #2 South Africa
                                                          #2 Sweden
                                                          #2 United Arab Emirates
                                                          #3 Cayman Islands
                                                          #3 India
                                                          #3 Italy
                                                          #3 Malaysia
                                                          #3 Netherlands
                                                          #3 Norway
                                                          #3 Singapore
                                                          #3 Turkey
                                                          #3 United Arab Emirates
                                                          #4 Mexico
                                                          #4 New Zealand
                                                          #4 Philippines
                                                          #4 Taiwan
                                                          #4 Thailand
                                                          #4 Vietnam
                                                          #5 Bahrain
                                                          #5 France
                                                          #5 Moldova
                                                          #5 Switzerland
                                                          #6 Ireland
                                                          #6 Jordan
                                                          #6 Russia
                                                          #7 Denmark
                                                          #7 Poland
                                                          #7 Portugal
                                                          #8 Brazil
                                                          #8 Finland
                                                          #8 Indonesia
                                                          #9 Italy
                                                          #9 New Zealand
                                                          #9 South Africa
                                                          #10 Austria
                                                          #10 Belgium
                                                          #15 United Kingdom
                                                          #16 Mexico
                                                          #17 Sweden
                                                          #20 Botswana
                                                          #21 Australia
                                                          #23 Turkey
                                                          #26 Spain
                                                          #34 Mozambique
                                                          #40 Malta
                                                          #47 Bulgaria
                                                          #47 Russia
                                                          #50 United States
                                                          #53 Canada
                                                          #66 Netherlands
                                                          #73 Kenya
                                                          #114 Guatemala
                                                          #117 Kazakhstan
                                                          #124 Kazakhstan
                                                          #179 Saudi Arabia
                                                          #180 Saudi Arabia

                                                          The album has jumped from #27 to #2 in a few minutes - there might've been an issue with the configuration on Kworb as unlikely to jumped like that.

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                                                          • ^ That's normal this early in the morning and happens quite often on Friday morning

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                                                            • Now #1 in 25 countries on iTunes!
                                                              CELINE DION - THE WORLD'S BIGGEST SELLING ARTIST OF THE LAST 25 YEARS

                                                              www.celinedioncharts.com

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