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  • beredy
    So now we only look to pure sales to check if artists can have big debuts?
    Pure sales of hip-hop artists are what, 5% of their total? And they debut with big numbers.
    Or if you want to focus on girls, look at how much of Ariana or Camilla’s total units come from pure sales. Not even 50%.
    You make it look like her album staying so long on BB200 and its total units being thanks to one or two songs mainly it’s an exception when it’s the most common thing for artists in the streaming era with the US system.
    But her case it’s not one of those where one or two songs have huge streaming numbers and the rest of the album tracks have dismal figures.
    All her songs have big streaming numbers.

    Regarding peaks vs. certifications to measure a success. Not only songs with bad peaks can ultimately be multiplatinum... but at the end of the day Hot 100 peaks include airplay and certifications are based on audio and video consumption. So they reflect what people consume. If you think those songs, certified platinum or multi platinum in US are not hits because of a low peak, I disagree.
    And, at the end of the day, consumption numbers matter more for the matter we’re talking about here (debut numbers based on sales and streaming) than a Hot 100 peak heavily influenced by airplay.

    I would understand this obsessive confronting to every post of mine if I’d been posting something like “OMG!!! 50k?!! She’s flopping. I thought she would debut with more than 150k considering DSN success” and stuff like that. But the only thing I said was that I expected to be at 80k and the reasons why I, in my honest opinion, think she should have sold a bit more and why I don’t consider her to be a one hit wonder in US as some of you make it look.
    Yes, I’m totally pressed.

    If I pretend to believe that you never saw aRat predictions or that you have not seen these other users saying they expected more, and thus you never ever replied... now you know it. So please, stop focussing only in what I post and move on... or tell this same song to those other users too, not just me.

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    • No, no, just wanted to know. Thank you for the US estimate, even if it’s a bit lower. I just hope she actually sold 250-300k of pure copies in UK. At least I’d love it to be true!
      Last edited by Washingtonian25; Tue March 31, 2020, 13:19.

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      • Originally posted by Washingtonian25 View Post
        I am probably boring for asking this, but do we have any guess how many of those 600k copies “sold” in the UK of her debut are pure sales?
        Not possible to know how many of those come from
        pure sale anymore.
        Sometimes they post a breakdown of sales and streams for #1 debuts in music weekly...
        But right now it’s not possible to know how many of those 600k are pure sales and how much comes from streaming.

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        • When it comes to the points that beredy makes (and I mean the analysis) I totally agree with him.

          Dua is not a first week artist.
          2019 Year End Charts: The 20/20 Experience

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          • Just based off certs of the singles in the US.

            Blow Your Mind - Gold (500,000) ~ 50k album units
            Scared to Be Lonely - Platinum (1,000,000) ~ 100k album units
            New Rules - 5xPlatinum (5,000,000 TEA) ~ 500k album units
            IDGAF - 2xPlatinum (2,000,000) ~ 200k album units

            That's 850k album "sales" for certification just from singles (and those have gotten additional streams and sales since their certs so they add up even more). Without any other album track streams etc. which makes it quite possible that she has basically gotten to Platinum with streams only. I rest my case. Continue trying boo.
            I have received many gifts from God,
            but this is the first time I have ever received a gift from a goddess
            .

            Don McLean on Madonna's version of American Pie

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            • You don’t call me “boo” again. Take this as a warning.
              I’ve been very polite with you and treated you with respect despite your constant harassment.

              Now move on, and leave me alone.

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              • if you feel threatened or offended by my posts, then report them so other mods non-related to the discussion can deal with them, don't misuse your mod status by acting as judge, jury and executioner and threatening me for providing you hard facts.
                I have received many gifts from God,
                but this is the first time I have ever received a gift from a goddess
                .

                Don McLean on Madonna's version of American Pie

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                • Originally posted by beredy View Post
                  if you feel threatened or offended by my posts, then report them so other mods non-related to the discussion can deal with them, don't misuse your mod status by acting as judge, jury and executioner and threatening me for providing you hard facts.
                  If I had misused my mod status acting as judge I would have infracted you... This and several other times for constant harassment. But I didn’t. Neither with you nor with anyone else. Ever.

                  I‘ve just told you repeatedly to please ignore my posts if you’re not able to treat me objectively like other users who are posting the same thing or even higher estimations than me.

                  And finally I warned you to treat me with respect and don’t call me boo.

                  And yes, I’ve just reported you.

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                  • Originally posted by beredy View Post
                    Just based off certs of the singles in the US.

                    Blow Your Mind - Gold (500,000) ~ 50k album units
                    Scared to Be Lonely - Platinum (1,000,000) ~ 100k album units
                    New Rules - 5xPlatinum (5,000,000 TEA) ~ 500k album units
                    IDGAF - 2xPlatinum (2,000,000) ~ 200k album units

                    That's 850k album "sales" for certification just from singles (and those have gotten additional streams and sales since their certs so they add up even more). Without any other album track streams etc. which makes it quite possible that she has basically gotten to Platinum with streams only. I rest my case. Continue trying boo.
                    Since even One Kiss and Electricity are part of the Deluxe they also counted for its total. She basically is Platinum because she included every single she released since the start of her career. She had some minor hits (minus NR) that kept her afloat in the US. Even her singles are about longevity and not first week positions. 75% of those album charting weeks were probably below #100 anyway. She didn't have her breakthrough string of hits in her debut era that would've translated into big interest and into a big first week of FN. I also thought she might be able to pull more now that she is dilivering Quality and DSN is a big hit but selling a sophmore album of the first hit that many know about since 2017 is already great. She will be fine and reach Plat much sooner and that with 11 tracks this time. She has Europe,Oceania and Brazil at her feet already, the US will follow soon enough
                    Last edited by BeeBoy; Tue March 31, 2020, 14:22.
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                    • Originally posted by nympho View Post
                      I‘ve just told you repeatedly to please ignore my posts if you’re not able to treat me objectively like other users who are posting the same thing or even higher estimations than me.
                      Just like you're being picky with how you present Dua's first era and how her singles acted, you're really grasping at straws for making yourself seem like a victim here.

                      I have told you TWICE that I have not seen those posts before and if I had I would reply the same as I have replied to you. Do you want me to go PAGES back and quote them and use THE SAME sentences I have used replying to you? Wouldn't that be spamming? I don't know what do you expect me to do here, but it does seem like the time machine idea would be the only one that could possibly work for you. If other people post unrealistic predictions here I will quote and say that they make no sense. Just like I told stevyy in Pop thread. You can go check it out if you think I'm just replying EXCLUSIVELY to you in this matter.
                      I have received many gifts from God,
                      but this is the first time I have ever received a gift from a goddess
                      .

                      Don McLean on Madonna's version of American Pie

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                      • Laid-Ease pls take Dua literally:

                        I'm all good already
                        So moved on, it's scary
                        I'm not where you left me at all, so
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                            When you see that a personal debate is spiralling out of control, please do not take sides or be commenting smartly, etc.
                            This is Chart Analysis and not Pop Talk/Random Thoughts.

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                            • Re.opened for Chart updates.
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                              • SPOTIFY APP UPDATE
                                MON 30/03/2020 TOTAL STREAMS
                                1. Future Nostalgia 1,033,198 30,542,369
                                2. Don't Start Now 5,248,084 622,114,312
                                3. Cool 1,067,879 5,692,483
                                4. Physical 3,146,350 134,862,267
                                5. Levitating 1,313,534 6,412,055
                                6. Pretty Please 1,117,634 5,558,826
                                7. Hallucinate 1,252,063 6,201,158
                                8. Love Again 1,054,443 5,272,674
                                9. Break My Heart 3,577,039 17,474,297
                                10. Good In Bed 932,392 4,615,462
                                11. Boys Will Be Boys 809,955 4,148,852
                                TOTAL 20,552,571 842,894,755
                                PRE-RELEASE STREAMS 748,421,321
                                WEEK 1 *building* 94,473,434
                                I have received many gifts from God,
                                but this is the first time I have ever received a gift from a goddess
                                .

                                Don McLean on Madonna's version of American Pie

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                                • Catching up on where rattyboy stopped.

                                  SPOTIFY CHARTS WW 29/03/2020

                                  2 (=) Don't Start Now 4,931,534
                                  7 (=) Break My Heart 3,255,639
                                  11 (-1) Physical 2,952,638
                                  48 (-5) Levitating 1,306,715
                                  50 (-6) Hallucinate 1,253,193
                                  62 (-7) Pretty Please 1,126,138
                                  67 (-14) Cool 1,112,495
                                  68 (-17) Future Nostalgia 1,110,973
                                  71 (-13) Love Again 1,075,892
                                  86 (-12) Good In Bed 929,243
                                  113 (-27) Boys Will Be Boys 810,377

                                  SPOTIFY CHARTS UNITED STATES 29/03/2020

                                  5 (=) Don't Start Now 996,743
                                  16 (-3) Break My Heart 663,195
                                  32 (=) Physical 499,748
                                  66 (-11) Levitating 323,205
                                  79 (-21) Hallucinate 303,776
                                  94 (-21) Pretty Please 287,283
                                  101 (-31) Cool 277,183
                                  131 (-39) Love Again 250,055
                                  133 (-49) Future Nostalgia 249,385
                                  153 (-37) Good In Bed 226,021
                                  OUT - Boys Will Be Boys -

                                  SPOTIFY CHARTS UNITED KINGDOM 29/03/2020

                                  3 (=) Physical 307,230
                                  4 (=) Don't Start Now 304,239
                                  6 (=) Break My Heart 250,071
                                  31 (-3) Hallucinate 124,329
                                  39 (-2) Levitating 112,661
                                  46 (-4) Cool 104,336
                                  47 (+2) Love Again 101,456
                                  48 (=) Pretty Please 101,306
                                  51 (-1) Future Nostalgia 96,868
                                  60 (-1) Good In Bed 82,317
                                  82 (-15) Boys Will Be Boys 73,288
                                  I have received many gifts from God,
                                  but this is the first time I have ever received a gift from a goddess
                                  .

                                  Don McLean on Madonna's version of American Pie

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                                  • SPOTIFY CHARTS WW 30/03/2020
                                    2 (=) Don't Start Now 5,180,144 5.04%
                                    7 (=) Break My Heart 3,478,044 6.83%
                                    12 (-1) Physical 3,079,024 4.28%
                                    55 (-7) Levitating 1,265,452 -3.16%
                                    61 (-11) Hallucinate 1,221,414 -2.54%
                                    74 (-12) Pretty Please 1,077,056 -4.36%
                                    79 (-12) Cool 1,037,061 -6.78%
                                    82 (-14) Future Nostalgia 1,025,222 -7.72%
                                    84 (-13) Love Again 1,016,981 -5.48%
                                    103 (-17) Good In Bed 910,091 -2.06%
                                    142 (-29) Boys Will Be Boys 788,540 -2.69%

                                    SPOTIFY CHARTS UNITED STATES 30/03/2020
                                    5 (=) Don't Start Now 1,043,409 4.68%
                                    16 (=) Break My Heart 700,763 5.66%
                                    33 (-1) Physical 506,389 1.33%
                                    89 (-33) Levitating 311,778 -3.54%
                                    106 (-27) Hallucinate 291,438 -4.06%
                                    114 (-20) Pretty Please 282,428 -1.69%
                                    133 (-32) Cool 264,934 -4.42%
                                    152 (-21) Love Again 242,577 -2.99%
                                    160 (-27) Future Nostalgia 234,686 -5.89%
                                    182 (-29) Good In Bed 221,884 -1.83%

                                    SPOTIFY CHARTS UNITED KINGDOM 30/03/2020

                                    3 (=) Physical 338,372 10.14%
                                    4 (=) Don't Start Now 317,801 4.46%
                                    7 (-1) Break My Heart 265,118 6.02%
                                    36 (-5) Hallucinate 129,309 4.01%
                                    46 (-7) Levitating 113,414 0.67%
                                    48 (-2) Cool 103,617 -0.69%
                                    49 (-1) Pretty Please 103,005 1.53%
                                    50 (-3) Love Again 102,753 1.43%
                                    57 (-6) Future Nostalgia 92,892 -4.10%
                                    68 (-8) Good In Bed 83,009 0.84%
                                    91 (-9) Boys Will Be Boys 74,433 1.56%
                                    I have received many gifts from God,
                                    but this is the first time I have ever received a gift from a goddess
                                    .

                                    Don McLean on Madonna's version of American Pie

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                                    • Album: Future Nostalgia
                                      iTunes (4x #1):

                                      #1 United Kingdom
                                      #1 Austria
                                      #1 Chile
                                      #1 Germany
                                      #2 Hong Kong
                                      #2 Indonesia
                                      #2 Mexico
                                      #2 New Zealand
                                      #2 Singapore
                                      #2 Spain
                                      #2 Vietnam
                                      #3 United States
                                      #3 Australia
                                      #3 Belgium
                                      #3 Canada
                                      #3 Macau
                                      #3 Malaysia
                                      #3 Poland
                                      #3 Switzerland
                                      #3 Turkey
                                      #4 France
                                      #4 Ireland
                                      #4 Netherlands
                                      #4 Thailand
                                      #5 Brazil
                                      #5 Qatar
                                      #5 Russia
                                      #5 Taiwan
                                      #6 Cyprus
                                      #6 Italy
                                      #7 Kazakhstan
                                      #10 Azerbaijan
                                      #12 Egypt
                                      #16 Barbados
                                      #16 Saudi Arabia
                                      #17 Panama
                                      #19 Ukraine
                                      #22 Japan
                                      #25 Bulgaria
                                      #27 Malta
                                      #27 Romania
                                      #29 Dominican Republic
                                      #29 Philippines
                                      #30 Guatemala
                                      #34 Cambodia
                                      #34 Peru
                                      #36 Costa Rica
                                      #36 Latvia
                                      #37 El Salvador
                                      #37 Slovakia
                                      #40 Greece
                                      #46 Namibia
                                      #66 Bermuda
                                      #71 Paraguay
                                      #75 Hungary
                                      #84 United Arab Emirates
                                      #91 Mozambique
                                      #112 The Bahamas
                                      #115 Ecuador
                                      #115 Trinidad and Tobago
                                      #117 Ghana
                                      #124 Luxembourg
                                      #146 Honduras
                                      #168 Czech Republic
                                      #273 India

                                      Apple Music (45x #1):
                                      #1 Argentina
                                      #1 Armenia
                                      #1 Australia
                                      #1 Austria
                                      #1 Azerbaijan
                                      #1 Belarus
                                      #1 Brazil
                                      #1 Bulgaria
                                      #1 Cambodia
                                      #1 China
                                      #1 Costa Rica
                                      #1 Cyprus
                                      #1 Czech Republic
                                      #1 Denmark
                                      #1 Finland
                                      #1 Germany
                                      #1 Greece
                                      #1 Hong Kong
                                      #1 Hungary
                                      #1 Ireland
                                      #1 Italy
                                      #1 Laos
                                      #1 Lebanon
                                      #1 Lithuania
                                      #1 Luxembourg
                                      #1 Macau
                                      #1 Malaysia
                                      #1 Malta
                                      #1 Netherlands
                                      #1 New Zealand
                                      #1 Norway
                                      #1 Philippines
                                      #1 Poland
                                      #1 Portugal
                                      #1 Romania
                                      #1 Saudi Arabia
                                      #1 Singapore
                                      #1 Slovenia
                                      #1 South Korea
                                      #1 Sweden
                                      #1 Switzerland
                                      #1 Taiwan
                                      #1 Turkey
                                      #1 Venezuela
                                      #1 Vietnam
                                      #2 United Kingdom
                                      #2 Bahrain
                                      #2 Belgium
                                      #2 Chile
                                      #2 El Salvador
                                      #2 Estonia
                                      #2 Fiji
                                      #2 Guatemala
                                      #2 Honduras
                                      #2 Indonesia
                                      #2 Israel
                                      #2 Jordan
                                      #2 Kazakhstan
                                      #2 Kyrgyzstan
                                      #2 Latvia
                                      #2 Mauritius
                                      #2 Mexico
                                      #2 Nicaragua
                                      #2 Panama
                                      #2 Paraguay
                                      #2 Peru
                                      #2 Russia
                                      #2 Slovakia
                                      #2 Thailand
                                      #2 Ukraine
                                      #2 United Arab Emirates
                                      #2 Uzbekistan
                                      #3 Colombia
                                      #3 Ecuador
                                      #3 Moldova
                                      #3 Spain
                                      #4 Bolivia
                                      #4 Canada
                                      #4 Dominican Republic
                                      #4 Egypt
                                      #4 Sri Lanka
                                      #5 India
                                      #5 Oman
                                      #5 South Africa
                                      #6 Mongolia
                                      #7 Belize
                                      #8 United States
                                      #8 France
                                      #8 Trinidad and Tobago
                                      #10 Bahrain
                                      #10 Tajikistan
                                      #12 Antigua and Barbuda
                                      #12 Japan
                                      #14 Kenya
                                      #14 Uganda
                                      #17 Gambia
                                      #18 Barbados
                                      #18 Bermuda
                                      #18 Saudi Arabia
                                      #19 British Virgin Islands
                                      #20 Zimbabwe
                                      #23 Cayman Islands
                                      #24 Ghana
                                      #25 Oman
                                      #26 Grenada
                                      #26 Lebanon
                                      #27 Nigeria
                                      #36 United Arab Emirates
                                      #40 Botswana
                                      #69 Dominica
                                      #73 Cape Verde
                                      #78 Papua New Guinea
                                      #87 Saint Kitts and Nevis
                                      #99 Egypt
                                      #191 Micronesia
                                      I have received many gifts from God,
                                      but this is the first time I have ever received a gift from a goddess
                                      .

                                      Don McLean on Madonna's version of American Pie

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                                      • UK
                                        Tuesday Top 40 Update

                                        Missing Data: Amazon HDEL, Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube (all for Monday) and HMV (all week)

                                        Singles

                                        1 The Weeknd - Blinding Lights (32.6k)
                                        2 SAINt JHN - Roses (27.8k)
                                        3 Dua Lipa - Physical (21.5k)
                                        4 Dua Lipa - Don't Start Now (19.7k)
                                        5 Joel Corry - Lonely (17.1k)

                                        6-10
                                        6 Dua Lipa - Break My Heart *

                                        Albums

                                        1 5 Seconds of Summer - CALM (19.8k) *
                                        2 Dua Lipa - Future Nostalgia (16.9k) *
                                        3 Skepta, Chip & Young Adz - Insomnia (6.2k) *
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                                        • Album: Future Nostalgia


                                          iTunes (4x #1):
                                          #1 United Kingdom
                                          #1 Austria
                                          #1 Germany
                                          #2 Hong Kong
                                          #2 Indonesia
                                          #2 Mexico
                                          #2 New Zealand
                                          #2 Singapore
                                          #2 Spain
                                          #3 United States
                                          #3 Australia
                                          #3 Belgium
                                          #3 Canada
                                          #3 Switzerland
                                          #3 Turkey
                                          #4 France
                                          #4 Ireland
                                          #4 Netherlands
                                          #4 Thailand
                                          #5 Brazil
                                          #5 Russia
                                          #5 Taiwan
                                          #6 Italy
                                          #22 Japan
                                          #273 India

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                                          • France :

                                            #18 (+18) Don't Start Now *new peak*
                                            #66 (+28) Physical *new peak*

                                            LEGEND

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                                            • Dua going straight to #1 in UK Album Charts. DSN is a huge hit everywhere, can easily Scratch 1.2 Billion streams on Spotify this year.

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                                              • USA

                                                https://hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=...le=YOUR-TOP-20

                                                Tuesday, March 31, 2020

                                                Your Top 20

                                                It's a tight race for #1. As of today, we're giving The Weeknd a slight edge. Can 5 Seconds of Summer unseat last week's champ? Stay tuned.

                                                1. The Weeknd (XO/Republic) 85-90k, 9-12k
                                                2. *5 Seconds of Summer (Interscope) 75-80k, 60-65k
                                                3. Lil Uzi Vert (Generation Now/Atlantic) 75-80k, 1k
                                                4. *Pearl Jam (Monkeywrench/Republic) 55-60k, 50-55k
                                                5. *Dua Lipa (Warner) 55-60k, 15-18k
                                                6. *PARTYNEXTDOOR (OVO/Warner) 50-55k, 3-4k
                                                7. Lil Baby (Quality Control/Motown/Capitol) 50-55k, 1-2k
                                                8. Bad Bunny (Rimas) 45-50k, <1k
                                                9. Roddy Ricch (Bird Vision/Atlantic) 37-42k, <1k
                                                10. Post Malone (Republic) 35-40k, 1k

                                                *Debuts

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                                                • she could snatch 60k which I think it's pretty damn good for her at this stage.

                                                  People need to understand that her demo is different from most of the other pop girls...she doesn't rely on fanbases and she build her career just based on her hard work and her songs slowly becoming hits.

                                                  Her songs are never hits right straight from the oven and they grow on weekly basis.

                                                  With that being said expecting her to do more than what industry is expecting I think we're setting ourselves up for disappointment!!!

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                                                  • IMO those are great numbers. She might even beat the pure sales debut of her last album and that was 3 years ago with the huge physical market downfall. Fingers crossed for the 60k (maye also #4) AND #1 in the UK. We love to see it
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