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  • Originally posted by lucad

    So, i think in The top 30 Elton is one of The more undercertified .
    Elvis and The Beatles disagree. lol

    Everyone else has 2-3 albums that need updated certifications.

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    • Well, i've explained my point of view .. With cases.. Elvis AND Beatles, well, because their discography is immense. But there are also some over-certified artists in my opinion in the top30 and top10, looking at The catalog charts that i read from years, and from soundscan Sales. But it's not The topic here.

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      • Uk Charts
        #176 lw:196 Elton John - Rocket Man: The Definitive Hits 1xPlat
        Australia
        #67 lw:55 120wks Elton John - Rocket Man: The Definitive 3xPlat
        Usa billboard top 200
        156 lw:176 JOHN*ELTON GREATEST Hits 1970/2002 6xPlat (new)

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        • In 2015, billboard estimate that 90% of Elton music money income, comes from touring
          http://www.eltonfan.net/cgi-bin/news/vi ... l=viewnews

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          • Anyway, i´m very pleased and excited about the new certs. Some of his records seem to sell on and on.
            If the old catalog (Elton John, Tumbleweed, Honky Chateau, Captain Fantastic) would be re-certified Elton would have a higher sales level than Billy Joel and Jacko definetely.
            Because Billy has certifications with no relation to effective sales. He benefits from GREATEST HITS VOLUME I & VOLUME II (1985) which is certified by 23 million as a double LP. It went 4x Platinum in April 29, 1991, when soundscan began tracking (counted as one CD). In the soundscan era it only sold 3,474,000 by Jan 2006. But nevertheless it already went 21X Multi-Platinum in August 2, 2000 - a miracle!!! Maybe they not only changed in counting twice but certified it as a 4-CD box set ... I don´t know. Since then there where other Best-Of LPs to follow and they replaced the whereabout LP and you never saw it again on any charts. But not enough: It went 23X Multi-Platinum in October 26, 2011. Ridiculous.
            Jacko has all LPs certified correctly. So there is no dark field such big as it is in the case of Elton John. According to effective sales Elton would be all time #6 infront of both of them.


            Here´s a comparison by Chris Molanphy | September 17, 2008: It shows how many double albums benefits from RIAA´s system, counting each sold unit twice.

            THE RIAA-APPROVED, CORRUPT ALL-TIME LIST

            29 Their Greatest Hits 1971–1975, The Eagles
            27 Thriller, Michael Jackson
            23 Led Zeppelin IV, Led Zeppelin
            23 The Wall, Pink Floyd
            22 Back in Black, AC/DC
            21 Double Live, Garth Brooks
            21 Greatest Hits Volume I & Volume II, Billy Joel
            20 Come on Over, Shania Twain
            19 The Beatles (White Album)
            19 Rumours, Fleetwood Mac
            17 Boston
            17 The Bodyguard, Whitney Houston (Soundtrack)
            17 No Fences, Garth Brooks
            16 Cracked Rear View, Hootie & the Blowfish
            16 Greatest Hits, Elton John
            16 Jagged Little Pill, Alanis Morissette
            16 Hotel California, The Eagles
            16 1967–1970, The Beatles
            16 Physical Graffiti, Led Zeppelin
            15 1962–1966, The Beatles
            15 Born in the U.S.A., Bruce Springsteen
            15 Appetite for Destruction, Guns ‘N Roses
            15 Dark Side of the Moon, Pink Floyd
            15 Saturday Night Fever, The Bee Gees (Soundtrack)
            15 Greatest Hits, Journey
            15 Supernatural, Santana


            THE REVISIONIST, SENSIBLE ALL-TIME LIST
            29 Their Greatest Hits 1971–1975, The Eagles
            27 Thriller, Michael Jackson
            23 Led Zeppelin IV, Led Zeppelin
            22 Back in Black, AC/DC
            20 Come on Over, Shania Twain
            19 Rumours, Fleetwood Mac
            17 Boston
            17 The Bodyguard, Whitney Houston (Soundtrack)
            17 No Fences, Garth Brooks
            16 Cracked Rear View, Hootie & the Blowfish
            16 Greatest Hits, Elton John
            16 Jagged Little Pill, Alanis Morissette
            16 Hotel California, The Eagles
            15 Born in the U.S.A., Bruce Springsteen
            15 Appetite for Destruction, Guns ‘N Roses
            15 Dark Side of the Moon, Pink Floyd
            15 Greatest Hits, Journey
            15 Supernatural, Santana
            14 Ropin’ the Wind, Garth Brooks
            14 …Baby One More Time, Britney Spears
            14 Greatest Hits, Simon & Garfunkel
            14 Backstreet Boys
            14 Metallica
            14 Bat Out of Hell, Meat Loaf

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            • -You forget also BLUE MOVES is certified PLAT, but as a double LP has to be re-certified 2 xPLAT

              - Elton john album just GOLD, HONKY CHATEAU just PLAT, 171170 not certified.

              - GYBR was certified as a single even in vinyl Sales it seems

              -And they not count LION KING as an elton CD.

              -Also LIVE in AUSTRALIA (was approx 1.200k + 500k soundscan until 1995) and GREATEST HITS II (last certified in 1998, 5xPL) and ONE NIGHT ONLY-G.HITS (730k in 2001) are near another certification, possibly.

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              • I'm very pleased too about news certs, but, another time, I have to say that only RIAA updates those kind of awards: where's BPI?
                I mean, Elton John is a british legend, how is possible BPI always doesn't certificate his work? Singles like original Your song is clearly SILVER status at least or Don't go breaking my heart now a PLATINUM status (even OOC said that), and albums like Goodbye yellow brick road (with 2014 re-edition) and Rocket Man greatest hits are much more than 1xPLATINUM status; so, we're talkin' about understimate sales and certifications in USA, but we have to talk much more about understimate in UK, his home,
                A shame.

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                • UK certification today
                  ORIGINAL CAST RECORDING - BILLY ELLIOT - THE MUSICAL
                  Silver Certification (Album) 06 May 2016
                  UNIVERSAL MUSIC (POLYDOR)
                  > 60.000 copies

                  Video BE _the musical live was certified PLAT

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                  • Originally posted by lucad
                    -You forget also BLUE MOVES is certified PLAT, but as a double LP has to be re-certified 2 xPLAT
                    Yes, it should be certified in America as a double album, but only because it was released in the "vinyl era" as a double set.
                    It runs under 100 min so if it would've been released after that then it wouldn't have been eligible for a double cert ( see the case of Aguilera's Back to Basics set for example; it's a 2 CD set but runs under 100 min and it was not from the vinyl era, thus making it ineligible for a double cert).

                    Blue Moves is then , eligible

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                    • Yes. vinyl had less space for songs than a cd, of course.
                      Blue moves was a double lp, then a single cd, then a double cd.
                      But this seems it had not happened for GYBRoad Vinyl Sales.
                      It was first a double lp, then a double cd, then a single cd, now a single + double + box set cd

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                      • Originally posted by lucad
                        UK certification today
                        ORIGINAL CAST RECORDING - BILLY ELLIOT - THE MUSICAL
                        Silver Certification (Album) 06 May 2016
                        UNIVERSAL MUSIC (POLYDOR)
                        > 60.000 copies

                        Video BE _the musical live was certified PLAT
                        Nice.
                        And yet, no BPI certifications for him, as Sir Elton John.
                        UK forgot its legend? Last certified award was in 2014 for GH 1970-2002!
                        Shame!

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                        • No news...
                          I was wonderin', how many copies sold approx. the GREATEST HITS vol. II (1977) in UK?
                          It's GOLD certified by BPI, but it was in October '77

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                          • BB Boxscores

                            21 Elton John John Paul Jones Arena Charlottesville, Va. March 19, 2016 $1,102,888 12,818 /
                            13,166 1 / 0 $150, $25 Live Nation

                            33 Elton John Germain Arena Estero, Fla. March 9, 2016 $845,293 7,296 /
                            7,476 1 / 0 $150, $25 Live Nation

                            35 Elton John Columbus Civic Center Columbus, Ga. March 16, 2016 $836,790 9,064 /
                            9,415 1 / 0 $150, $25 Live Nation

                            38 Elton John McKenzie Arena Chattanooga, Tenn. March 12, 2016 $787,275 10,094 /
                            10,715 1 / 0 $150, $25 Live Nation

                            45 Elton John Mobile Civic Center Mobile, Ala. March 15, 2016 $747,986 9,227 /
                            9,459 1 / 0 $150, $25 Live Nation

                            46 Elton John Covelli Centre Youngstown, Ohio March 22, 2016 $721,201 6,979 /
                            7,231 1 / 0 $150, $25 Live Nation

                            49 Elton John Berglund Center Roanoke, Va. March 18, 2016 $664,918 8,482 /
                            9,174 1 / 0 $150, $25 Live Nation

                            51 Elton John Freedom Hall Civic Center Johnson City, Tenn. March 11, 2016 $625,494 5,657 /
                            5,918 1 / 0 $150, $25 Live Nation

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                            • UK
                              156 RE Elton John - The Greatest Hits 1970-2002 5XPLAT
                              AUSTRALIA
                              72 lw:63 122 Elton John - Rocket Man: The Definitive Hits 3XPLAT

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                              • -UK
                                164 RE Elton John - Rocket Man: The Definitive Hits
                                -AUSTRALIA
                                76 lw:72 123wks Elton John - Rocket Man: The Definitive Hits
                                -top100 ireland
                                -iTunes Israel peak #2 greatest hits 70-02 ( after Tel Aviv concert with 40000 audience)
                                6 singles in The top30 ( i guess AND Goodbye in top10)

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                                • usa
                                  198 Re-Entry 112 Greatest Hits 1970-2002 - Elton John - Rocket/UTV
                                  Uk
                                  159 re-entry
                                  Australia
                                  80 76 124 Elton John - Rocket Man: The Definitive Hits

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                                  • Usa
                                    187 le;191 114wks Greatest Hits 1970-2002 - Elton John - Rocket/UTV | 6xplat
                                    Australia
                                    70 lw:77 126 Elton John - Rocket Man: The Definitive hits 3xplat

                                    On uk iTunes greatest hits in The top 25 for all The week, with peak at 3 on thursday, probable come Back in next top 100

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                                    • Uk Top 200 album
                                      43 Elton John [Greatest Hits 1970-2002] lw:167; 77wks in top100
                                      13 top album download re
                                      Approx 2500 Sales

                                      Australia
                                      77 lw:70 127wks Elton John - Rocket Man: The Definitive Hits

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                                      • BPI certification awards marks


                                        ELTON JOHN - ELTON JOHN LIVE
                                        Silver Certification (Album) 01 March 1979
                                        PICKWICK (Unknown)
                                        Released 01 January 1978


                                        but what album is this?

                                        ELTON JOHN - LONDON & NEW YORK, 1978 (September?)
                                        ELTON JOHN LIVE COLLECTION. 1979 (March?)

                                        They are both published by PICKWICK, but they are just reissues of LIVE&THERE.
                                        I don't understand the BPI award, I think it was for the London&NewYork album, because they say "SILVER certification on March '79", so I can't imagine an award like this for an album just released (I think LIVE COLLECTION was released by March '79), but I don't know....can you confirm this?
                                        The also say "release 01 January 1978", so maybe they don't know the day, but the year was 1978, like LONDON&NEWYORK!

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                                        • UK TOP 200
                                          51 lw:43 78wks Elton John ~ The Greatest Hits 1970-2002
                                          approx 2000 copies

                                          Usa top 200 Sales

                                          194 JOHN*ELTON|GREATEST HITS 1888 Sales+stream

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                                          • bpi certification
                                            ELTON JOHN - TINY DANCER
                                            Silver Certification (Single) 01 July 2016
                                            UNIVERSAL MUSIC (MERCURY)
                                            Released 26 March 2007

                                            They forgot Your Song certification;
                                            Or the one certified Silver is not The duet with Safina (2002), But The originale; because Your Song has sold more than TD.

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                                            • Originally posted by lucad
                                              bpi certification
                                              ELTON JOHN - TINY DANCER
                                              Silver Certification (Single) 01 July 2016
                                              UNIVERSAL MUSIC (MERCURY)
                                              Released 26 March 2007

                                              They forgot Your Song certification;
                                              Or the one certified Silver is not The duet with Safina (2002), But The originale; because Your Song has sold more than TD.
                                              ALLELUJA! ALLELUJA!
                                              They finally certified Tiny dancer a never released single but a true classic after Madman across the water album re-discovery (thanks Orchestral Tour 1986!).
                                              So, they lost Your song silver status! I don't understand, because even UK charts puts original/Safina version together (not the same with Sorry seems to be the hardest word original/Blue version)....but then even UK charts counts different sales, sayin' that original version achieved 192.000 sales (last year)...so what? Is there any chance to ask this question to BPI directly? You know any way to do it?

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                                              • USA

                                                BB Breakouts for Dance Club Songs

                                                BB Issue: 07/16 (next week)

                                                #2 All in the name - Bright light Bright light ft /Elton John

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                                                • Originally posted by Fidelio1985
                                                  Originally posted by lucad
                                                  bpi certification
                                                  ELTON JOHN - TINY DANCER
                                                  Silver Certification (Single) 01 July 2016
                                                  UNIVERSAL MUSIC (MERCURY)
                                                  Released 26 March 2007

                                                  They forgot Your Song certification;
                                                  Or the one certified Silver is not The duet with Safina (2002), But The originale; because Your Song has sold more than TD.
                                                  ALLELUJA! ALLELUJA!
                                                  They finally certified Tiny dancer a never released single but a true classic after Madman across the water album re-discovery (thanks Orchestral Tour 1986!).
                                                  So, they lost Your song silver status! I don't understand, because even UK charts puts original/Safina version together (not the same with Sorry seems to be the hardest word original/Blue version)....but then even UK charts counts different sales, sayin' that original version achieved 192.000 sales (last year)...so what? Is there any chance to ask this question to BPI directly? You know any way to do it?
                                                  In my opinion The one certified is The original your song.
                                                  And also, it seems ( read it somewhere in The forum) that sales we have may count The best selling version, But not all The others ones from compilation for example. Apart from that, Tiny Dancer was about 135k last year after a come back in The top 100 Charts ( was used in a TV spot). Or it sells 65k in 6 month time ( also with streams), or may be The Sales number we have Is not complete.
                                                  if Rocket man ( Elton 3rd best uk single) will be certified; it means that Your Song version certified 2 years ago was The original one, in my opinion. Or they forgot it ..... ;))

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                                                  • Originally posted by lucad
                                                    Originally posted by Fidelio1985
                                                    Originally posted by lucad
                                                    bpi certification
                                                    ELTON JOHN - TINY DANCER
                                                    Silver Certification (Single) 01 July 2016
                                                    UNIVERSAL MUSIC (MERCURY)
                                                    Released 26 March 2007

                                                    They forgot Your Song certification;
                                                    Or the one certified Silver is not The duet with Safina (2002), But The originale; because Your Song has sold more than TD.
                                                    ALLELUJA! ALLELUJA!
                                                    They finally certified Tiny dancer a never released single but a true classic after Madman across the water album re-discovery (thanks Orchestral Tour 1986!).
                                                    So, they lost Your song silver status! I don't understand, because even UK charts puts original/Safina version together (not the same with Sorry seems to be the hardest word original/Blue version)....but then even UK charts counts different sales, sayin' that original version achieved 192.000 sales (last year)...so what? Is there any chance to ask this question to BPI directly? You know any way to do it?
                                                    In my opinion The one certified is The original your song.
                                                    And also, it seems ( read it somewhere in The forum) that sales we have may count The best selling version, But not all The others ones from compilation for example. Apart from that, Tiny Dancer was about 135k last year after a come back in The top 100 Charts ( was used in a TV spot). Or it sells 65k in 6 month time ( also with streams), or may be The Sales number we have Is not complete.
                                                    if Rocket man ( Elton 3rd best uk single) will be certified; it means that Your Song version certified 2 years ago was The original one, in my opinion. Or they forgot it ..... ;))
                                                    Is there any way to ask it to BPI directly? They're doin' a mess!

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