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  • Originally posted by slightlymad
    Just discovered a very interesting Queen sales award on ebay, Hernan is this a figure you are aware of, if so i apologise.

    Basically it's an official EMI UK sales award for Greatest Hits 2 for sales of inexcess of 300,000 copies through the music club Britannia, not shop sales but music club sales up until 1993.

    Here is a link to the awardhttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Genuine-Qu...item519f1e55e9
    Hello Lee,

    Amazing finding. No, I had no idea about it.

    But man, 300,000 music club sales (in 1993) for an album released in late 1991 is a wild total. Plus, it is the first time I hear of a especial award intended to acknowledge club sales alone, and not overall total sales. We should remember it had gone five times platinum in June 1992, after shipping 1,500,000 copies in its home country.

    Definitely not something I had ever heard about myself. Although, being it a 'in house award', I guess it should be taken with a pinch of salt.

    Please, keep bringing what you find. And also, if you have an account on Haven, I would be obliged if you could also post it in there too. Link: http://fatherandy2.proboards.com/index. ... 347&page=3. The more Queen fans, the better.

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    • Wow that's also something I'm hearing for the 1st time too!

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      • Great Start for the Queen Extravaganza in Canada!!

        CURRENT BOXSCORE
        Rank Artist/Event Venue City/State Event Dates Gross Sales Attend/
        Capacity Shows/
        Sellouts Prices Promoters

        49 Queen Extravaganza Theatre St-Denis
        Montreal, Quebec
        May 27, 2012
        $89,692
        2,077 / 2,077
        1 / 1
        $52.92, $28.65
        evenko

        50 Queen Extravaganza Le Grand Theatre de Quebec
        Quebec City, Quebec
        May 26, 2012
        $84,163
        1,671 / 1,671
        1 / 1
        $53.03, $33.57
        evenko

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        • Originally posted by slightlymad
          Great post as usual Hernan , the only thing i can add is that it was officially stated by EMI in an advert in music week that Queen sold 1,774,991 albums in the UK in 1986 and that Live Magic sold in excess of 300,000 copies that year!!. The Official Queen Fan Club reproduced the advert on one of there magazines front cover, below is a link to that magazine.

          http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2906921741...84.m1423.l2648[/url]
          Thank you again, Lee.

          I know that figure from that 1986 in the UK for years (1,774,991 copies).

          From EMI's old documents, someone let know their net shipments in the UK were actually 1,800,189 as far as albums are concerned, including 379,270 for "Live Magic" and 62,402 for "A Night At The Opera".

          The net shipments of "Live Magic" and "A Kind Of Magic" combined were obviously above 1,100,000 units. Which still leaves a healthy 700,000 for their back catalogue in terms of shiments 1986 (although that year may not be a good measure because they reissued all their studio albums).

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          • Billboard Charts Catalog from last week:

            21 50 103 75 QUEEN GREATEST HITS 1963 -5 2063 6968620

            6 119 121 147 QUEEN GREATEST HITS-WE WILL ROCK YOU 1502 -20 1884 1078470


            Billboard Catalog Digital Albums from last week:

            4 87 165 150 QUEEN PLATINUM COLLECTION 563 8 523 33271

            Billboard Digital Tracks Catalog from last week:

            173 65 68 63 QUEEN BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY 6645 2 6492 2454651

            19 162 182 122 QUEEN WE WILL ROCK YOU 5106 13 4526 2161194

            2 156 QUEEN WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS 4713 30 3623 1337843

            1 173 QUEEN & DAVID BOWIE UNDER PRESSURE 4529 49 3031 752431

            2 195 QUEEN ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST 4197 2 4115 1366096


            Billboard Charts Catalog from this week :

            22 103 75 107 QUEEN GREATEST HITS 1779 -9 1963 6970399

            7 121 147 153 QUEEN GREATEST HITS-WE WILL ROCK YOU 1537 2 1502 1080007

            Digital Tracks Catalog:

            174 68 63 91 QUEEN BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY 6160 -7 6645 2460811

            20 182 122 191 QUEEN WE WILL ROCK YOU 4622 -9 5106 2165816

            Here are the figures for the digital tracks of the year 2012:

            Bohemian Rhapsody: 132,000;
            Another One Bites The Dust: 21,000, only counting four weeks;
            We Are The Champions: 21,000, only counting four weeks;
            We Will Rock You: 108,000;
            Under Pressure: 83,000;
            Fat Bottomed Girls: 10,356, only counting two weeks.

            Total: 375,000 digital downloads.

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            • Thank you, Loris. "Under Pressure" being so close to their top songs is, I guess, just a 2012 thing as otherwise I don't understand how it is that far away from "Bohemian Rhapsody" and "We Will Rock You" in terms of cumulative sales.

              More digital information. This is how Queen are doing right now on the various itunes Top 400:

              Lithuania (41)

              Albums:

              1. The Platinum Collection
              229. Absolute Greatest

              Bulgaria (35)

              Songs:

              82. Bohemian Rhapsody
              149. Too Much Love Will Kill You
              166. Love of My Life
              170. I Want It All
              262. We Are the Champions
              268. Somebody to Love
              273. A Kind of Magic
              296. Heaven for Everyone
              302. The Show Must Go On
              338. Don't Stop Me Now

              Albums:

              22. The Platinum Collection
              220. Jazz
              231. A Night At the Opera
              256. Innuendo
              315. Absolute Greatest

              Chile (33)

              Songs:

              167. Bohemian Rhapsody
              235. I Want to Break Free
              260. We Are the Champions
              326. Bohemian Rhapsody

              Albums:

              9. The Platinum Collection
              48. Queen: Greatest Hits
              383. Absolute Greatest

              Argentina (23)

              Songs:

              136. Bohemian Rhapsody
              241. Bohemian Rhapsody
              243. Don't Stop Me Now
              373. Under Pressure

              Albums:

              22. The Platinum Collection
              98. Queen: Greatest Hits
              292. Greatest Hits II

              Czech Republic (22)

              Songs:

              132. We Will Rock You
              156. Bohemian Rhapsody
              189. We Are the Champions
              231. I Want to Break Free
              235. Radio Ga Ga

              Albums:

              21. Absolute Greatest
              228. Queen: Greatest Hits II

              Colombia (20)

              Songs:

              181. Bohemian Rhapsody
              398. We Are the Champions

              Albums:

              26. The Platinum Collection
              88. Queen: Greatest Hits

              Latvia (19)

              Songs:

              60. The Show Must Go On
              61. I Want It All
              132. Under Pressure

              Albums:

              139. Absolute Greatest
              202. The Platinum Collection

              Bolivia (18)

              Songs:

              118. Love of My Life

              Albums:

              82. Queen: Greatest Hits II
              95. Queen: Greatest Hits
              126. Absolute Greatest

              Peru (17)

              Songs:

              167. Bohemian Rhapsody
              250. I Want to Break Free

              Albums:

              36. The Platinum Collection
              52. Queen: Greatest Hits
              271. Live At Wembley Stadium

              Malta (16)

              Songs:

              116. We Will Rock You
              299. Don't Stop Me Now

              Albums:

              71. The Platinum Collection
              109. Queen: Greatest Hits
              223. Greatest Hits III
              259. Absolute Greatest
              340. Queen: Greatest Hits II

              Romania (16)

              Songs:

              122. We Will Rock You
              163. I Want to Break Free
              169. We Are the Champions
              194. Don't Stop Me Now
              267. Another One Bites the Dust
              285. Killer Queen

              Albums:

              233. The Platinum Collection
              355. Absolute Greatest

              Dominican Republic (15)

              Songs:

              85. Bohemian Rhapsody
              120. Another One Bites the Dust
              195. We Will Rock You
              243. We Are the Champions

              Albums:

              207. The Platinum Collection
              313. Queen: Greatest Hits

              Ecuador (14)

              Songs:

              168. Somebody to Love

              Albums:

              19. The Platinum Collection
              312. The Game

              El Salvador (13)

              Songs:

              233. Flash
              236. Killer Queen
              237. A Kind of Magic
              238. Crazy Little Thing Called Love
              375. Bohemian Rhapsody

              Albums:

              55. Absolute Greatest
              264. Queen: Greatest Hits
              339. The Platinum Collection

              United Kingdom (11)

              Songs:

              294. Bohemian Rhapsody
              334. Don't Stop Me Now

              Albums:

              74. The Platinum Collection
              113. Queen: Greatest Hits

              Ireland (11)

              Songs:

              202. Bohemian Rhapsody
              261. Don't Stop Me Now

              Albums:

              93. The Platinum Collection
              156. Queen: Greatest Hits

              Italy (11)

              Songs:

              158. We Are the Champions
              378. Bohemian Rhapsody

              Albums:

              57. The Platinum Collection
              234. Queen: Greatest Hits

              Spain (11)

              Songs:

              194. I Want to Break Free
              282. We Are the Champions
              284. Bohemian Rhapsody
              290. Don't Stop Me Now
              314. We Will Rock You

              Albums:

              157. Queen: Greatest Hits
              291. The Platinum Collection

              Cyprus (10)

              Songs:

              68. Bohemian Rhapsody

              Albums:

              110. The Platinum Collection
              263. Queen: Greatest Hits

              Poland (10)

              Songs:

              253. You Don't Fool Me

              Albums:

              66. The Platinum Collection
              144. Absolute Greatest

              Slovenia (10)

              Songs:

              175. Don't Stop Me Now
              180. Bohemian Rhapsody
              186. We Are the Champions

              Albums:

              209. The Platinum Collection

              Hungary (10)

              Albums:

              19. The Platinum Collection

              Slovakia (9)

              Songs:

              236. We Are the Champions
              374. Bohemian Rhapsody

              Albums:

              36. Absolute Greatest
              354. A Night At the Opera

              Norway (8)

              Songs:

              394. Bohemian Rhapsody

              Albums:

              104. Absolute Greatest
              107. Queen: Greatest Hits II
              210. Queen: Greatest Hits

              Belgium (7)

              Songs:

              299. Bohemian Rhapsody

              Albums:

              96. The Platinum Collection

              Greece (7)

              Songs:

              71. We Are the Champions

              Albums:

              308. Queen: Greatest Hits

              Venezuela (7)

              Albums:

              54. Queen: Greatest Hits
              328. Absolute Greatest

              Guatemala (6)

              Albums:

              50. The Platinum Collection

              Japan (6)

              Albums:

              87. Greatest Hits

              Brazil (5)

              Songs:

              319. Bohemian Rhapsody

              Albums:

              135. The Platinum Collection
              337. Queen: Greatest Hits

              Canada (5)

              Songs:

              397. We Will Rock You

              Albums:

              136. Queen: Greatest Hits
              211. Queen: Absolute Greatest

              Netherlands (5)

              Songs:

              176. We Are the Champions

              Albums:

              205. The Platinum Collection
              207. Queen: Greatest Hits

              New Zealand (5)

              Songs:

              325. Bohemian Rhapsody

              Albums:

              137. The Platinum Collection
              264. Queen: Greatest Hits

              Costa Rica (4)

              Songs:

              272. Under Pressure

              Albums:

              152. Absolute Greatest

              France (4)

              Songs:

              317. Bohemian Rhapsody
              350. Another One Bites the Dust

              Albums:

              348. The Platinum Collection
              365. Queen: Greatest Hits II

              Mexico (4)

              Songs:

              229. Bohemian Rhapsody

              Albums:

              173. Queen: Greatest Hits

              Panama (4)

              Songs:

              174. We Are the Champions

              Albums:

              271. The Platinum Collection

              Denmark (4)

              Albums:

              189. Queen: Greatest Hits
              210. The Platinum Collection

              United States (3)

              Songs:

              332. Bohemian Rhapsody

              Albums:

              205. Queen: Greatest Hits
              326. The Platinum Collection

              Estonia (3)

              Songs:

              335. Rock It

              Albums:

              250. The Platinum Collection
              330. Absolute Greatest

              Australia (3)

              Albums:

              139. Queen: Greatest Hits

              Austria (3)

              Albums:

              123. Queen: Greatest Hits

              Nicaragua (3)

              Albums:

              119. The Platinum Collection

              Portugal (3)

              Albums:

              192. The Platinum Collection

              Luxembourg (2)

              Albums:

              293. Queen: Greatest Hits
              391. The Platinum Collection

              Finland (1)

              Albums:

              238. The Platinum Collection

              Germany (1)

              Albums:

              308. The Platinum Collection

              Honduras (1)

              Albums:

              279. Queen: Greatest Hits

              Paraguay (1)

              Albums:

              294. Queen: Greatest Hits

              Sweden (1)

              Albums:

              335. Queen: Greatest Hits

              Switzerland (1)

              Albums:

              293. The Platinum Collection

              Link: http://kworb.net/itunes/queen.html

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              • Thanks for the link of the website kworb.net Hernαn: it's really excellent

                I see that Absolute Greatest is still obtaining fairly good results, notwithstanding the 2011 compilations remasters.

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                • Great, Loris. "Absolute Greatest" is indeed still going.

                  In the Abba sales topic, some members are comparing the sales of that group to Queen's (including me), I don't want to turn into an invader there so I will make some considerations in here. I said this:

                  I think, with due respect, that Queen have sold more records than Abba worldwide. But well, we are entitled to different views, as Zeus555 said. In my opinion, Queen's sales are like this:

                  Albums – 140 million
                  Singles – 40
                  Videos – 10
                  Digital – 25

                  Abba would be like this:

                  Albums – 110 million
                  Singles – 50
                  Videos – 5
                  Digital – 15

                  Some numbers are conservative, but for both acts.


                  Looking at the albums sales, I think I was kind to Abba in some way. I made a point about the largest markets: USA, UK, Japan, Germany, France, Canada, Australia, Netherlands, Italy and Spain.

                  These are, in my opinion, the albums sales for Queen in those ten countries:

                  USA – 40,000,000
                  UK – 25,000,000
                  Japan – 5,000,000
                  Germany – 13,500,000
                  France – 7,000,000
                  Canada – 5,000,000
                  Australia – 3,000,000
                  Netherlands – 4,500,000
                  Italy – 6,000,000
                  Spain – 3,500,000

                  Total – 112,500,000

                  As for Abba, I think they are as follows:

                  USA – 17,500,000
                  UK – 17,000,000
                  Japan – 7,000,000 (?)
                  Germany – 11,000,000
                  France – 4,000,000
                  Canada – 3,500,000
                  Australia – 4,500,000
                  Netherlands – 3,750,000
                  Italy – 1,500,000
                  Spain – 1,250,000

                  Total – 72,500,000

                  So I honestly think that Queen will have outsold Abba by some 40,000,000 in those ten countries.

                  Estimated totals for Germany are conservative for boths acts. In the case of Abba, sales may look small for both Italy and Spain, but those two have never been particular great for them.

                  When I estimate Queen at 140,000,000 and Abba at 110,000,000, I was actually implying a worldwide gap of 30,000,000. Which means that I'm assuming that Abba are able to narrow the difference in the ten biggest markets by 10,000,000 copies sold. In other words: I'm estimating that Abba sold more albums than Queen outside of the ten largest territories.

                  But I'm sure that is incorrect. No Scandinavian sales help Abba, in my opinion.

                  For example: in Sweden, I guess Abba sold nearly 5,000,000 albums altogether, while I think Queen are likely to have sold not far more than 1,000,000. A gap of 4,000,000. So Sweden makes up for something, no doubt.

                  But then again, I believe Queen sold easily more albums in Latin America as a whole. In Brazil and Argentina they certainly did, for instance.

                  In Asia things are more complicated due to the lack of information; but in one of the few countries we have some details for both acts (South Korea) there isn't much of a big gap at all. In fact, sales look to be more favourable toward Queen. In addition, something that may not play in Abba's favour: when they were at their peak, sales in that continent were very small. No idea as to whether Queen sold more albums than Abba in Asia (outside Japan) or viceversa; but due to the above –and sales not being particularly strong for foreign acts-, the gap shouldn't really be that big either way and definitely not enough to make an impact on the biggest markets' sales results.

                  We also have the rest of Continental and Eastern Europe: countries like Portugal, Swtitzerland, Austria, Greece, Ireland, Russia, Hungary, Poland, Czech Republic (formerly known as Czechoslovakia), Lithuania and so on.

                  In some of them I'm sure Queen sold easily more. In Portugal, they easily did in my opinion; and the same goes to Switzerland and especially Austria.

                  No idea about Africa and the Middle East. Abba were easily bigger in Zimbabwe. But I don't have many details and I doubt sales are particularly good.

                  Consequently, I think that much of what Abba achieved in Scandinavia is compensated with Latin America and several countries of Continental Europe. And so on.

                  So, on the whole, I would say that as far as albums sales are concerned, Queen may have outsold Abba by 35,000,000 to 40,000,000 copies on a worldwide basis. Just an opinion, after years of going through both bands.

                  On that Abba's topic there are two persons putting down Queen's singles sales too. In my opinion, Queen may have sold 40 million physical worldwide and roughly 25 million digital downloads, for a combined 65 million. Not many groups have sold more singles than Queen worldwide, from my own point of view. Either physical, digital or both combined.

                  Not sure why, time and time, several users like to pick on Queen. But they are entitled to it; I just wanted to share some views.

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                  • HUR don't you think that 140 million for Queen is pretty low? MJD put Queen at 170 several years ago. I understood Brian May recently mentioned that it was also about 170 as well. Anyway, the other thing was that link was superb, you can stick in whatever band you want and get the worldwide stats on where they are charting with whichever album or song. The only thing is I don't really understand quite what all the numbers mean! Nice to be back!!

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                    • Thank you, Nucleardolphin. Yes, not too sure about those numbers on knowrb.net; I guess they are points based on charts positions (I imagine for each song or album at Top 10, 50, 100 or 400 you get a certain amount of points per country).

                      I think my worldwide sales totals are realistic, overall. But yes, you always have MJDangerous as an alternative source (I wouldn't trust Brian May myself). But then in that case, MJDangerous also estimated Abba at 130 million albums sold, ahead of what I gave them (100 to 105 million worldwide).

                      My point is that, whichever approach we use, I believe Queen have clearly sold more albums and records than Abba on a worldwide basis, even if the latter are amongst the biggest artists ever without any doubt. Just a personal opinion.

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                      • So, if that were the case, what would you put Pink Floyd, The Beatles, U2, The Stones and so on at? would you downgrade them all by 20%?

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                        • Originally posted by nucleardolphin
                          So, if that were the case, what would you put Pink Floyd, The Beatles, U2, The Stones and so on at? would you downgrade them all by 20%?
                          Yes, absolutely. All those bands sold less too, in my opinion.

                          According to a Norwegian newspaper (Afterposten), Queen's "Absolute Greatest" ranked amongst the best selling albums of 2009 in Norway.

                          While not officially certified, "Absolute Greatest" sold 27,383 copies during that year alone.

                          Link: http://www.aftenposten.no/kultur/musikk ... 37yYvs9WSo.

                          Courtesy of Pierpinto.

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                          • Hur, I ******* love Queen, 2nd best band ever! Slowly coming round, too maybe the best......

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                            • Actually the answer, someone gave you about Hitmusic discounting sales, Top 1000. There is one year that does seem too far out though.

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                              • PPL REVEAL MOST PLAYED QUEEN SONGS

                                As Great Britain celebrates 60 years of Her Majesty’s reign, music licensing company PPL reveals which of her namesake band’s hits are the most played by the British public.

                                The band Queen are almost as universally loved as Queen Elizabeth herself. Formed in 1971, their style of glam stadium rock has influenced the work of many. They have had 18 number one albums and 18 number one singles making them one of the world's biggest selling bands.

                                Despite lead singer Freddie Mercury's untimely death in 1991, Queen have continued to perform with various guest vocalists including Paul Rogers and more recently, Adam Lambert. For the Queen's Golden Jubilee in 2002, lead guitarist Brian May famously played the National Anthem from the rooftop of Buckingham Palace
                                .
                                The top ten most played Queen songs are:

                                1) A Kind Of Magic
                                2) Don't Stop Me Now
                                3) Under Pressure
                                4) I Want To Break Free
                                5) Bohemian Rhapsody
                                6) Killer Queen
                                7) Somebody To Love
                                8) Radio Ga Ga
                                9) We Will Rock You
                                10) You're My Best Friend

                                "Queen are undeniably one of the greatest bands Britain has ever produced," said Jonathan Morrish, Director of PR and Corporate Communications at PPL. "These really are classics and show how their music has been such a part of people's lives. These songs make the perfect soundtrack to a Jubilee party this week."

                                A Kind Of Magic was released in 1986 for the film Highlander and reached number three in the UK singles chart. The top ten tracks are compiled from PPL's exclusive data which includes TV, radio and online usage as well as songs played in bars, shops, restaurants, gyms and other public places that use music.

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                                • Thank you for the list. No "We Are The Champions", I can't believe it.

                                  Jimmy, thank you for the comment. Not sure if I understand you, but yes, the fact that some nineties annual sales were based on the Top 1000 would have caused several albums to be excluded in the UK.

                                  Anyway, this is I'm talking about for the rest:

                                  In another forum, I wondered whether Queen were the real best selling album act of the nineties in the UK or not.

                                  I know it is a tough thing to claim, but the more I look heavily into it, the more I believe Queen sold just as many albums as Oasis in the UK during that decade.

                                  If we combine albums and music videos, I'm definitely sure Queen sold just as many, perhaps more.

                                  I explained my position with several detailed messages, loaded with what we are all here for: sales numbers and their interpretation:

                                  Firstly I said this:

                                  Queen during the nineties in the UK

                                  Is it possible that Queen were the real best selling album act during the nineties in the UK? Or if not: weren't they closer to Oasis than it is generally assumed?

                                  I know that the crown belongs to Oasis, officially at least. Based on a ranking that was posted during early 2000 (I believe) which looked as follows:

                                  UK Top Selling Albums Acts - January 1990 - December 1999
                                  1 (1) Oasis – 8,170,000 (7,540,000by July 1998)
                                  2 (2) Simply Red – 7,960,000 (7,420,000)
                                  3 (4) Madonna – 7,470,000 (6,520,000)
                                  4 (5) Celine Dion – 7,300,000 (6,330,000)
                                  5 (3) Queen – 7,290,000 (6,580,000)

                                  These numbers weren't exact, but as close as they could be and based on a ranking that had already been published in July 1998: where Oasis were listed with 7,540,000 albums sold and Queen with 6,583,000. I have also seen another list with Oasis at 8,358,000 copies sold How accurate were those numbers? No idea. But I have found some irregularities myself.

                                  Firstly, the simplest part: I know some people disagree with me, but I personally consider "Five Live" to be an album, not a single, as opposed to the official chart compilers in the UK. For what it is worth, the mini album appeared on the albums charts in most countries (with UK and Ireland being two exceptions).

                                  "Five Live" actually sold 379,000 during 1993 and, I think, was later upgraded to about 420,000 copies sold.

                                  If that figure is added to what Queen were supposed to have sold by late 1999 (7,290,000 albums), we get approximately 7,710,000 total sales for Queen, a bit closer to what Oasis achieved.

                                  Now the tricky things:

                                  These decades sales are supposed to exclude music club sales; plus, more important, at least from 1994 to 1999 only the annual Top 1000 was used, which means that any album that failed to make it, will have been excluded from Hit Music's annual charts.

                                  From Hit Music, these were Queen's annual sales:

                                  1994 - 351,000
                                  1995 - 1,403,000 (using 19 as a multiplier, instead of 18)
                                  1996 - 380,000
                                  1997 - 320,000
                                  1998 - 200,000
                                  1999 - 615,000

                                  Total - 3,260,000 albums sold.

                                  The thing is that when I add the rough sales for their 'main' albums during those six years, I get this:

                                  Greatest Hits - 595,000
                                  Greatest Hits II - 450,000
                                  Made In Heaven - 1,330,000
                                  Queen Rocks - 225,000
                                  Greatest Hits III - 413,000
                                  Greatest Hits I & II - 100,000

                                  These six albums accounted for as many as 3,113,000 copies sold. Out of 3,260,000 achieved for that time frame. Nearly all of Queen sales. These are based on some educated sales guesses and using annual figures as a basis. I think they are spot on, if you ask me.

                                  For example, "Made In Heaven" was listed with 1,100,000 in 1995 and a further 170,000 sold for 1996. Plus, in a decade to date chart of January 1998, it was given 1,320,000 copies. So my 1,330,000 sales would probably be correct by the end of 1999.

                                  "Greatest Hits I & II" had retail sales of 132,000 by 2009, most of which were reached during the nineties. So, again, a total of 100,000 is fine.

                                  "Queen Rocks" sold 170,000 in 1997 and with some further sales (not very remarkable) in 1998 and 1999, I estimated roughly 225,000.

                                  "Greatest Hits III" was released in late 1999 and achieved sales of 413,000 units. Which is what I have listed above. And so on. I think that when it comes to these Hit Music's various rankings, my individual albums sales are reasonably fine.

                                  The problem is that with 3,260,000 sold for that time frame and as many as 3,113,000 coming from those six albums, we are only left with a mere 147,000 for the rest of their back catalogue. Basically, all their old studio and live albums.

                                  This can be seen when looking at some yearly sales in detail.

                                  In 1996, Queen sold 380,000 albums, including 340,000 coming from three albums: "Made In Heaven" with 170,000 sold; "Greatest Hits" with 100,000; and "Greatest Hits II" with 70,000 (all of them made the annual Top 150). In total, only 40,000 left for their other albums. And with others, we also have to include "Greatest Hits I & II", a double box set that sold very well and charted during 5 weeks in 1996.

                                  Even weirder in 1999. Queen sold 615,039 albums during that year, with 598,427 coming from three compilations: "Greatest Hits III" (412,487 sold), "Greatest Hits" (101,595), "Greatest Hits II" (84,345). Again, only 16,612 left for their other albums including not only all their 15 studio albums and 4 live albums, but "Greatest Hits I & II" (which charted at number 127 in 1999 and spent 2 weeks) and "Queen Rocks" (released in 1997).

                                  Obviously, I don't need to explain much further than this to show there is absolutely no way all of the other Queen albums (14 studio albums and 4 live albums) sold only a mere 147,000 during the period between 1994 and 1999.

                                  Part of this can be explained by the use of the Top 1000 to compile the yearly totals from 1994 to 1999, which naturally missed out any album that didn't sell enough to make those annual charts.

                                  This isn't much of a problem for Oasis because they had only released a handful of albums by 1999 and it is very likely that none of them ever missed any Top 1000, so they don't have significant sales missing through that way.

                                  By comparison, I have been able to collect all of Queen's net shipments figures from 1994 to 1999. This is coming from a big contributor, Tatty73, who has provided us with some of the most significative and accurate numbers ever posted on here. If you are reading this, Jimmy, thank you for all you have supplied, incredibly valuable information.

                                  This is what the net shipments (through both shops and clubs) were between 1994 and 1999:

                                  1994 – 573,712
                                  1995 – 1,383,047
                                  1996 – 908,935
                                  1997 – 586,880
                                  1998 – 481,539
                                  1999 – 773,981

                                  Total – 4,708,094

                                  These sales include some 700,000 through music clubs, leaving a healthy 4,000,000 via shops.

                                  Whilst their retail sales are supposed to have totalled to 3,260,000 during 1994 and 1999, their net shipments are clearly higher and not just because of the club sales; in fact, as big as 4,708,094 albums sold.

                                  Let's compare them below:

                                  Retail sales: 3,260,000
                                  Net shipments to shops: 4,000,000
                                  Net shipments to both avenues: 4,708,094

                                  Even more: while all of of Queen studio and live albums are supposed to have reached a cumulative 147,000 sold between 1994 and 1999 (if we trust Hit Music), Tatty73's net shipments indicate that all their 19 back catalogue albums (released between 1973 and 1992) managed to sell 809,976 copies altogether (I can post a detailed breakdown of that).

                                  A big discrepancy: 145,000 against more than 800,000 back catalogue sales.

                                  And this is just for the 1994 to 1999 time frame, when Queen were hot but not quite as much as they were during the early part of the decade, for obvious reasons.

                                  If we use Hit Music as our guide, Queen would appear to have sold 4,030,000 albums between 1990 and 1993 (plus at least 379,000 of "Five Live", which would represent a combined 4,409,000 sold).

                                  But I have no idea how was that amount arrived at; and I don't know whether it is only retail sales (and what multiplier was used) or some club sales were indirectly accounted for. I have no clue, either, whether Gallup held this total during the early nineties or these numbers were retrospectively changed afterwards.

                                  Anyway, knowing that Hit Music had a mere 3,260,000 from 1994 and 1999 despite their real sales being obviously higher, not sure what to make out of this early period: 1990 and 1993, which was a significant one for Queen in terms of sales. If retail sales were 4,409,000 during the years 1990, 1991, 1992 and 1993, the net shipments equivalents may have been higher, probably 4,500,000 to 4,750,000 copies sold.

                                  Of course, I'm not forgetting that Oasis' net shipments will also have been bigger than what their retail sales were between 1994 and 1999. I think they easily sold 900,000 to 1,000,000 via clubs. My point is that Queen, for all I have explained above, obviously have more missing sales than Oasis. For instance, they sold 700,000 through music clubs just during the second half of the decade, which means that with the first four years added in (1990 to 1993), they are likely to have either equalled or bettered Oasis' sales via that avenue.

                                  I'm not forgetting about Simply Red, Madonna and Celine Dion either. But they are all in a similar position to Oasis: apart from the albums released during the nineties, they had a smaller catalogue than Queen, so I don't think they have as many missing sales as them between 1994 and 1999 and I doubt they sold as many copies through Britannia (except perhaps Madonna).

                                  If we combine albums with music videos sales, I think Queen can easily have outsold Oasis during the nineties.

                                  Any thoughts?


                                  Another one:

                                  I would like to add this to the above:

                                  Further to what I explained above, I have found other ways to look at it.

                                  If we blindly trust these annual sales, we would have to believe that all their old studio and live albums, released between 1973 and 1992, sold only 147,000 copies altogether (give or take a few thousands).

                                  But what happened in 2000 to 2010 for a comparison?

                                  These were Queen's annual album sales:

                                  2000 – 437,000
                                  2001 – 300,000 (approximately)
                                  2002 – 930,000
                                  2003 – 471,000
                                  2004 – 400,000 (approximately)
                                  2005 – 620,000
                                  2006 – 640,000
                                  2007 – 408,357
                                  2008 – 363,830
                                  2009 – 661,468
                                  2010 – 185,000

                                  Total – 5,415,000

                                  So Queen sold about 5,415,000 albums during 11 years.

                                  Including:

                                  Platinum Collection – 1,685,000
                                  Absolute Greatest – 680,000
                                  Greatest Hits – 820,000
                                  Greatest Hits III – 253,000
                                  Greatest Hits II – 350,000 (estimated)
                                  Queen On Fire – 100,000 (estimated)
                                  Return Of The Champions – 80,000 (estimated)
                                  Queen Rock Montreal – 40,000 (estimated)
                                  Greatest Hits I & II and Queen Rocks – 25,000 (estimated)

                                  Total for these 10 albums – 4,033,000 copies sold

                                  With 5,415,000 sold within those years, this leaves a healthy 1,400,000 for their rest of their back catalogue.

                                  Does anybody believe that all these old studio and live albums pass from selling roughly 145,000 copies between 1994 and 1999 (24,000 units a year) to 1,400,000 from 2000 to 2010 (127,000 a year)?

                                  I find it irrealistic.

                                  Between 1984 and 1990, Queen sold about 5,155,000 albums in the UK. Including roughly 2,691,000 coming from the back catalogue (more than half), which can be broken down as follows: 1,065,000 for Greatest Hits (20%) and 1,628,000 for their studio and live albums (31%).

                                  By periods, this is how Queen's studio and live 'back catalogue' sales looked like:

                                  1984 to 1990 – 1,628,000
                                  1994 to 1999 – 147,000
                                  2000 to 2011 – 1,400,000

                                  Am I the only who sees a problem with the second one?


                                  And the last one:

                                  As I do have all the net shipments figures for those six albums, between 1994 and 1999, I thought it would be great to share them and make a comparison.

                                  As far as Jimmypages59's annual sales are concerned, this is what those albums sold within those six years:

                                  Net shipments to shops, without club sales (except for Greatest Hits II and the double Greatest Hits I & II, which do include Britannia sales)

                                  Greatest Hits – 654,441
                                  Greatest Hits II – 751,147 with club sales added in
                                  Made In Heaven – 1,241,081 (with shop sales supposed to have been 1,320,000 by January 1998, ha)
                                  Queen Rocks – 249,447
                                  Greatest Hits III – 413,384
                                  Greatest Hits I & II – 176,507

                                  Total net shipments – 3,487,007

                                  Unfortunately, I hold no separate club sales for Greatest Hits II or Greatest Hits I & II, so the above total do include them. For what it is worth, Greatest Hits had club sales of 231,904 units between 1994 and 1999, and I would expect Greatest Hits II to have achieved more than 200,000 (perhap as high as 250,000) during that period; with Greatest Hits I & II also doing a couple of thousands.

                                  Remove those sales via clubs, and the above total of 3,487,007 will diminish to 3,200,000 to 3,250,000 in total.

                                  So we have estimated retail sales of 3,113,000 for those six albums, with net shipments of 3,200,000. Everything neat and somehow reasonable.

                                  Completely different story from their studio and live 'back catalogue' albums.

                                  Whilst shop sales are supposed to have been a dismal 147,000 copies sold between 1994 and 1999, their net shipments totals are more than 800,000 with club sales added in and nearly 700,000 without them. Too much of a big discrepancy compared to what I have shown above in relation to what their main six albums sold via retail and net shipments.

                                  Am I the only who believes that Queen have arguably sold (way) more than 7,290,000 albums during the whole of the nineties, especially during the years between 1994 and 1999? Am I the only one who thinks that Queen were possibly closer to Oasis than they are supposed to have been? To me, it is obvious: both things are right and Queen sold clearly more than 7 million and they were up there with Oasis, if not ahead, when all is said and done.


                                  Just some views.

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                                  • Hernan, again a wonderful post regarding Queen's UK sales, wether we will ever get Queen's UK album sales confirmed officially is another matter but I think you would be pretty close. Out of interest do you have a yearly breakdown of Queen's UK sales that reaches the 25 million you suggest as there total sales?

                                    Another question for all you Queen experts out there, do we have sales totals for all of Queen's USA compilations, below is a list of what i know has been released so far, so any totals?

                                    1981 - Greatest Hits 6970399 (9-6-2012)
                                    1984 - Collection 15 of the Best
                                    1992 - Classic Queen 3,274,000 (May 2007)
                                    1992 - Greatest Hits (Red Cover)
                                    1994 - Greatest Hits 1&2 886,000 (Feb 2007)
                                    1997 - Rocks 69,000 (Dec 2007)
                                    1999 - Greatest Hits 3 130,000 (Dec 2007)
                                    2000 - The Platinum Collection 797773 (19-05-2012)
                                    2004 - Greatest Hits WWRY Edition 1080007 (9-6-2012)
                                    2006 - Stone Cold Classics 101,000 (Dec 2007)
                                    2007 - A-Z of Queen
                                    2009 - Absolute Greatest
                                    2011 - Greatest Hits 2

                                    Any updates on the above would be very interesting, also is the Greatest Hits total a combination of the 1981 and 1992 issues?

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                                    • Top Catalog Albums - 06/03/12 Billborad chart
                                      23 75 107 104 QUEEN GREATEST HITS 1873 5 1779
                                      8 147 153 109 QUEEN GREATEST HITS-WWRY 1855 21 1537

                                      No Totals this week unfortunately to update the USA compilations data

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                                      • Originally posted by slightlymad
                                        Hernan, again a wonderful post regarding Queen's UK sales, wether we will ever get Queen's UK album sales confirmed officially is another matter but I think you would be pretty close. Out of interest do you have a yearly breakdown of Queen's UK sales that reaches the 25 million you suggest as there total sales?

                                        Another question for all you Queen experts out there, do we have sales totals for all of Queen's USA compilations, below is a list of what i know has been released so far, so any totals?

                                        1981 - Greatest Hits 6970399 (9-6-2012)
                                        1984 - Collection 15 of the Best
                                        1992 - Classic Queen 3,274,000 (May 2007)
                                        1992 - Greatest Hits (Red Cover)
                                        1994 - Greatest Hits 1&2 886,000 (Feb 2007)
                                        1997 - Rocks 69,000 (Dec 2007)
                                        1999 - Greatest Hits 3 130,000 (Dec 2007)
                                        2000 - The Platinum Collection 797773 (19-05-2012)
                                        2004 - Greatest Hits WWRY Edition 1080007 (9-6-2012)
                                        2006 - Stone Cold Classics 101,000 (Dec 2007)
                                        2007 - A-Z of Queen
                                        2009 - Absolute Greatest
                                        2011 - Greatest Hits 2

                                        Any updates on the above would be very interesting, also is the Greatest Hits total a combination of the 1981 and 1992 issues?
                                        Slightlymad, the Greatest Hits total above for 6,970,399 are for sales of the 1992 edition of the album which had some different tracks to the 1981 edition.

                                        For certification reasons I believe the RIAA combined the sales of both albums above and this is why it was certified 8 X platinum in May 2006.

                                        The soundscan total above does not include all sales of the album since 1992 and it will have sold 7m+ by now. If you combine its sales it should be at least 9 times platinum as the last cert was over 6 years ago. I'm also not sure if the WWRY edition of Greatest Hits will be taken into account by RIAA as this 2004 release is the same as the 1981 edition but with 3 extra tracks - IF it is then a Diamond certification is surely due as this album has sold over 1 million on soundscan and has never had a certification.

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                                        • Hello Lee,

                                          Sorry that I didn't respond earlier, but I couldn't do so.

                                          Unfortunately I don't think I'm capable of doing a yearly breakdown of their Biritish sales, perhaps I can give you out some clues about their sales per periods.

                                          All I know is that during 1986, Record Mirror gave albums sales of 1,463,000 to Queen; while as far as EMI is concerned, their net shipments totalled to 1,800,189 albums (nearly 25% higher). But that doesn't mean that this 25% has to be applied to all their sales during the eighties because it doesn't work as an strict formula or anything close to that.

                                          You know: there are two different things. Sales to costumers, measured and calculated from a sample and then multiplied by a number (which varied over the years); and on the other hand, we also have the shipments from the record company to UK outlets minus returns (net), which will always be very close to the real sales to the public in most cases.

                                          The best way to estimate them is breaking their sales down as per the following time periods:

                                          1984 to 1990
                                          1991 to 1993
                                          1994 to 1999
                                          2000 to 2012

                                          Anything before 1984 is difficult to estimate.

                                          If I remember well, Queen were the second best selling album act during both 1976 and 1981 (probably 1975 too) and would have ranked well in other years, such as 1977, 1978 or 1979 due to them having two albums selling every year and remakable catalogue sales as ever.

                                          I have some numbers if someone is interested.

                                          From 1984 to 1990

                                          Their over the counter sales were like this (figures coming from Record Mirror): 1,010,000 albums sold in 1984, 460,000 in 1985, 1,463,000 in 1986, 758,000 in 1987, 313,000 in 1988, 861,000 in 1989 and 290,000 in 1990. A combined 5,155,000 albums sold during those seven years.

                                          In net shipments equivalents (as these sales are likely to have missed out some club sales), their albums sales were between 5,250,000 to 5,750,000 overall, in my opinion.

                                          1991 to 1993

                                          I count Five Live as an album myself.

                                          According to Hitmusic, Queen are supposed to have sold about 3,740,000 during those three years, plus 378,000 for Five Live. In total, we have 4,118,000 albums sold. No idea how accurate is that figure supposed to be.

                                          In terms of net shipments, I guess their Greatest Hits II reached a total of 1,800,000 by the end of 1993 (certified for 1,500,000 June 1992); Greatest Hits some 800,000 plus; Innuendo 450,000; Live At Wembley 175,000; and at least 600,000 for their back catalogue sales. In addition, I can confirm that shipments of Five Live were 455,000 by December 1993.

                                          If I'm right about the above, Queen will have achieved net shipments of 4,250,000 (roughly).

                                          I know this looks like a lot, but in reality their shipments figures may have been higher. For example, Greatest Hits was on 2,300,000 early 1991 (not far more than that) and suddenly jumped to 3,300,000 certified in early 1992, a difference of 1,000,000. I could easily hide behind that total and claim it sold that many, but that certification still remains doubtful. Equally I'm estimating back catalogue (for ther studio and live albums) of 600,000 sales, but it could have been more.

                                          1994 to 1999

                                          According to Hitmusic, they accumulated 3,260,000 albums sold: 351,000 in 1994, 1,403,000 in 1994, 380,000 in 1996, 320,000 in 1997, 200,000 in 1998 and 615,000 in 1999. These sales miss out some club sales and many retail numbers for albums that didn't make the respective annual Top 1000 of each year.

                                          But their annual net shipments figures were like this:

                                          1994 – 573,712
                                          1995 – 1,383,047
                                          1996 – 908,935
                                          1997 – 586,880
                                          1998 – 481,539
                                          1999 – 773,981

                                          Total – 4,708,094

                                          These figures come from Jimmypages59, and I trust him.

                                          2000 to 2012

                                          These were Queen's annual album sales:

                                          2000 – 437,000
                                          2001 – 300,000 (approximately)
                                          2002 – 930,000
                                          2003 – 471,000
                                          2004 – 400,000 (approximately)
                                          2005 – 620,000
                                          2006 – 640,000
                                          2007 – 408,357
                                          2008 – 363,830
                                          2009 – 661,468
                                          2010 – 185,000
                                          2011 and 2012 – 300,000

                                          Total – 5,715,000

                                          Their net shipments tallied very well with these shop sales above, between 2000 and 2008. Unfortunately, I haven't got any net shipments for the past three years.

                                          So their net shipments (between 2000 and 2012) are obviously similar to what I listed: 5,750,000.

                                          Overall, it is as follows, to me:

                                          1984 to 1990 – 5,750,000 (perhaps a bit less)
                                          1991 to 1993 – 4,250,000
                                          1994 to 1999 – 4,700,000
                                          2000 to 2012 – 5,700,000

                                          Total in net shipments – 20,500,000

                                          Before 1984, it is difficult to get any annual sales.

                                          By the end of 1993, Greatest Hits had sold 1,100,000 and A Night At The Opera about 850,000. Their albums sales, between 1973 and 1983, easily amounted to 4,500,000, thus taking us to 25,000,000 in terms of net shipments (the only thing I care about when trying to get a cumulative number).

                                          Retail sales (if the various chart compilers ever provided a total for them) would 'only' be 22,000,000, or so.

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                                          • South Korea:

                                            Gaon International albums chart:
                                            #17 up62 The Platinum Collection Queen Universal Music

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                                            • Thank you, Andilversen. Welcome to this topic; please, keep adding your updates.

                                              In South Korea, in the monthly ranking of May, "Return Of The Champions" finished at number 98 (with sales of 131 copies)

                                              Lee, when it comes to their USA compilations, we should also add about "Queen Collection", triple box set released in 1992.

                                              In a Billboard article from April 1994, they listed the best selling box sets of the Soundscan era, from 1991 to March 13 1994 (albeit without sales figures). Link (please don't quote this post): http://books.google.com.ar/books?id=RQg ... 22&f=false.

                                              "Queen Collection" finished at number 28 on that ranking (Led Zeppelin were at the top). I guess it may have sold 100,000 copies in the USA.

                                              These were their sales, in my opinion:

                                              Greatest Hits (1981) – 2,000,000
                                              Classic Queen – 3,450,000
                                              Greatest Hits (1992) – 7,000,000
                                              The Queen Collection – 100,000
                                              Greatest Hits I & II – 1,000,000
                                              Queen Rocks – 70,000
                                              Greatest Hits III – 150,000
                                              Platinum Collection – 800,000
                                              Greatest Hits: We Will Rock You – 1,080,000
                                              Stone Cold Classics – 150,000
                                              A-Z Queen – 10,000
                                              Absolute Greatest – 50,000
                                              Greatest Hits II – 5,000

                                              Total – nearly 16,000,000

                                              I can confirm that "Greatest Hits" was available through Columbia House (a USA music club) during the eighties.

                                              No idea about "Collection 15 Of The Best", but it may done fine based on the fact that it was the only compilation officially released during their Capital era.

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                                              • Sweden:

                                                Sverigetopplistan DVD chart:

                                                #10 re-entry AN EVENING AT THE CONCERT HALL Queen (4 weeks on)
                                                #13 re-entry LIVE AT WEMBLEY STADIUM - 25TH ANNIVERSARY EDT. Queen (11 weeks on) Island

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                                                • Belgium:

                                                  Ultratop FL:
                                                  #79 (lw:#110) The Platinum Collection Queen (153 weeks) 1xPlatin

                                                  Ultratop WA:
                                                  #32 (lw:#60) The Platinum Collection Queen (123 weeks) 1xPlatin

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                                                  • Denmark:

                                                    Musik DVD top 10:
                                                    #7 re-entry Live at Wembley Stadium (23 weeks)peak:#2

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