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Queen Still in UK Music DVD charts
18 (09) QUEEN - Live At Wembley Stadium (169 weeks)
18 (09) QUEEN - Live At Wembley Stadium (169 weeks)
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They are "real" in-house awards. That mean that they are not officialy certified by an externe organisation (RIAA-ish) but that the major certified thos sales.Originally posted by braca
Even if they don't appear in the respective databases, they can consequently be considered as accurate. In most, awards on the eil website are always realistic.25 June 2009, the day the Music diedComment
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Queen got that boost from original live aidOriginally posted by LawyerisComment
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understand they are emi awards but Mexico criteria is (or was) Gold was 100K platinum 250K correct?Originally posted by MJDangerous
As innuendo plat is for 150k and gh2 plat for 250K -seems odd or could 150 be a typo. so u think miracle gold in us is genuine?
EdWood yes miracle is not listed on the riaa site and back sales are not impressive. at the same time QOL, the official queen fan club and as it began list the album as GOLD. Basil has not listed it as gold possibly as it may also not be listed in Joel Whitburn's books neither...
I am not sure what to think but it could be Gold.Comment
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One good thing about Queen's record company is that they don't keep issuing Hits albums of the basically the same tracks like the record companies of Elvis, the Beatles, ABBa, Blondie, David Bowie etc.Comment
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Hi BracaOriginally posted by braca
Looking at The Miracle's Chart performance in the US when it was released in 1989:
THE MIRACLE
Date: 24/06/1989 - Run: 83-31-*24*-28-36-46-53-65-87-108-121-129-142-176 (14 wks)
It probably is on over 500,000 sales in the USA. When Queens Record company applied for re-certifications in 2002, I think there were a few ommisions. Queen II should definately be on at least Gold - it never had any certifications and performed better then 'Queen' - the debut album.
Innuendo should be platinum - it was gold i think before soundscan started and has now nearly sold another 500,000.
Sheer Heart Attack should be platinum.
oh, and We Will Rock You edition of Greatest Hits should be gold as at last count it had sold over 634,000!Comment
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Originally posted by johnnyboy
Well Johnnyboy, you are right to a certain extent.
Queen, In the UK, at least only released 4 Hits Collections. Greatest Hits, Greatest Hits 2, Greatest Hits 3 and Queen Rocks.
I think after they released Queen Rocks, they realised it was a bit of a mistake as it didnt sell too well only going platinum.
They also repackaged their hits collections twice - Greatest Hits 1 and 2 and The Platinum Collection.
SO in the UK, they have released far less compilations then, say, David Bowie, Elton John or even The Beatles.
I do think, eventually that they will either release a collection along the lines of the Beatles '1' which could feature all their Number 1 hits from around the world - I think they had 18 worldwide number ones.
Or they could release a definative 2 disc compilation - Queens Best - or something like that.
This should not include all the 'Non Queen' songs that were on Greatest Hits 3 and should concentrate on not just their hits but also genuine fan favourites like 'Love of My Life, Keep Yourself Alive and Was It All Worth It (this last song SHOULD have been released as a single)
Of course, In the US Queen Compilations are more numerous - to say the least.
Queen greatest Hits in 1981. The Classic Queen and then the revamped Greatest Hits. Then Queen greatest Hits 1 and 2. Then Platinum Collection, Gold Collection, Stone Cold Classics, A-Z of Queen. :-?Comment
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EdWood, you forgot We Will Rock You compilation of their greatest hits, released in USA:}Stone cold crazyyyComment
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Ah yes sorry Laweris, how could I forget!
Its currently on over 635,000 sales and is usually in the Top 200 Top Pop Catalog Chart which TheBigham kindly provides to us occasionly
I dont know whether this album's sales should be added to Queens Greatest Hits in the US- if they were then it should be easily recertified as 9 X Platinum - maybe not far off being certified Diamond for 10 million sales!
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In-house awards don't need to respect awards criteria of the country - This is mainly why they are "in-house" awards. Usualy, they are certified with the criteria of his time, not caring about the release date or so. It is the case of many records. Just take as the real number the sales figures pointed out on Eil, not what it should be in relation to the real certification criteria.Originally posted by braca
Yes I think that Miracle gold in us is genuine, I estimated it at just 500k in the US in my Queen breakdown so it is not a real surprise. And like Edwood say (Yes, his first claim that is not fake!!), Queen 2 should be Gold as well.25 June 2009, the day the Music diedComment
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Wow, thank you for the compliment MJD!Originally posted by MJDangerous
99% of my claims are genuine based on Good SOURCES!
Such as my analysis that Queen's huge sales of Hits collections harmed their catalog sales of their studio albums, likewise with Pink FLoyd, the reverse is true....Comment
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I disagree with your estimates for the 2 albums below MJDangerous
'Queen (1973) :
USA : 900.000
Japon : 100.000
UK : 350.000
France : 50.000
Estimations mondiales : 2.400.000
Queen 2 (1974) :
USA : 600.000
Japon : 150.000
UK : 400.000
France : 50.000
Norvčge : #19 (2)
Estimations mondiales : 2.300.000 '
I dont understand why you think Queen 2 sold 300,000 less then 'Queen' in the US!
Queen 2 charted higher then Queen which only got to 83 in US charts
Queen 2 has sold more in Soundscan era. It is viewed as one of Queen's most daring and experimental albums -
My view is that it probably sold about 1 million in the US - more then their debut album.Ill come to the rest later on!
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Queen - Live Magic (Shop Sales)
1992 --- 4,051
1993 --- 3,292
1994 --- 5,060
1995 --- 5,599
1996 --- 4,496
1997 --- 3,587
1998 --- 1,883
1999 --- 2,386
2000 --- 1,511
2001 --- 1,713
2002 --- 2,997
2003 --- 2,099
2004 --- 4,246
2005 --- 11,218
2006 --- 13,893
2007 --- 76
Totals Sales --- 68,107
Queen - Live Magic (Club Sales)
1993 --- 81
1994 --- 1,985
1995 --- 690
1996 --- 1,498
1997 --- 2,443
1998 --- 1,387
1999 --- 1,071
Totals Sales --- 9,155
Queen - The Miracle (Shop Sales)
1992 --- 4,690
1993 --- 6,421
1994 --- 4,306
1995 --- 2,916
1996 --- 3,109
1997 --- 1,979
1998 --- 2,738
1999 --- 1,406
2000 --- 2,035
2001 --- 2,031
2002 --- 5,626
2003 --- 3,617
2004 --- 1,058
2005 --- 8,855
2006 --- 9,161
2007 --- 17
Totals Sales --- 59,965
Queen - The Miracle (Club Sales)
1993 --- 1,050
1994 --- 1,170
1995 --- 1,490
1996 --- 2,301
1997 --- 1,610
1998 --- 1,380
1999 --- 854
2000 --- 871
2001 --- 481
2002 --- 304
2003 --- 93
2004 --- 75
2005 --- 9
Totals Sales --- 11,688
Queen - On Fire (Live At The Bowl)(CD)
2004 --- 80,223
2005 --- 26,861
2006 --- 6,439
2007 --- 74
Total Sales --- 113,597
As always shop sales start from July 1992 and club from July 1993.
I think one thing that is becoming clear is that EMI overshipped a lot of these albums last year as there are not many sales so far in 2007 for a lot of their back catalogue albums. I think a lot of retailers took up the chance to buy Queen albums last year due to the huge reduction in dealer price.Comment
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Queen 2 has charted higher but in the summer, while Quee was charted at Christmas. Queen 2 was charted for only 13 weeks, against 22 weeks for Queen.
Sales were low at that time. This is why Queen has took 4 years to be gold, a #49 position is meaningless in regards to a #84 position. During their respective runs, Queen sold for sure more than Queen 2, because when none of both have been charted high, which care is only the period of the positions and the number of weeks in charts, both being in favor to Queen 1.
About catalog sales, they are pretty much the same in the soundscan era. I also expect Queen to be a bigger catalog seller than Queen 2 in late 70's/early 80's has it was their debut album, which is always for first album to benefit when an act explode at a bigger scale than previously, which tend to be proved by the Gold award in 77 for it while Queen 2 has not been certified.25 June 2009, the day the Music diedComment
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Thanks a lot jimmypages59! That's always GREAT to have those figures.
At least now Edwood should understand that Queen catalog sales in Europe are in fact when down in 2007 in comparison to the 2 last years.
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Originally posted by jimmypages59
Cheers Jimmypages for these figures - very interesting - I wish i had sources like you!
Live Killers actually sold more then I would have thought - After Live At Wembley which has now sold 600,000 plus since its release in 1992 and Live Magic's large sales from late 1986 onwards, I thought most people would ignore Live Killers. Not many people I know who are Queen fans actually have it! Although its the only Live Album from the 1970s (so far)
The Miracles sales arent huge - 71,653 from July 1992, but it sold well on its release in 1989 - about 500,000 that year I remember from seeing and was one of the biggest selling albums of 1989 in UK.
Plus like i said, the figures you supply only start from July 1992, when Queen would have had huge sales from Freddies death in November 1991 and the Concert in April 1992.
On Fire-Live At The Bowl - well the sales arent great - but it was also released at the same time as the DVD so sales would be less.
I wonder what the new live CD, Live at Montreal will sell, when its released in October :-?
Jimmypages59 just one favour, can you please provide UK sales figures for Made In Heaven? Thanks
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Queen - Made In Heaven - Shop Sales
1995 --- 840,317
1996 --- 357,600
1997 --- 29,164
1998 --- 9,855
1999 --- 4,145
2000 --- 4,776
2001 --- 11,991
2002 --- 2,628
2003 --- 2,810
2004 --- 1,840
2005 --- 6,804
2006 --- 8,037
Total Sales --- 1,279,967
Queen - Made In Heaven - Music Club Sales
1996 --- 85,038
1997 --- 26,805
1998 --- 4,338
1999 --- 1,055
2000 --- 992
2001 --- 520
2002 --- 646
2003 --- 124
2004 --- 64
2005 --- 10
2006 --- 0
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Thanks Jimmypages59, very impressive
So Made In Heaven on 1.4 million sold in the UK - about 40 sales short anyway! Very good sales for a Queen studio album eh MJDangerous?
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It's another example of MJD when he lacks repect to Queen. So, MJD - its very funny for you and you are very happy that Queen's catalog sales went down in 2007, aren't you?Originally posted by MJDangerousAt least now Edwood should understand that Queen catalog sales in Europe are in fact when down in 2007 in comparison to the 2 last years.
Poor boy, easy come, easy go...Stone cold crazyyyComment
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Slight mix up above, Figures I just posted were for Live Magic not Live Killers, which I think were posted a few weeks/months ago. Although it's now changed to say Live Magic.Comment
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Happy ?! Just read my messages in this forum for years. I was the first in UKmix with HUR to argue how big were worldwide sales of GH1 and GH2. Queen is one of my favorite bands ever,the one that I listen the most, the first act that I discovered completely after Michael Jackson etc...Originally posted by LawyerisIt's another example of MJD when he lacks repect to Queen. So, MJD - its very funny for you and you are very happy that Queen's catalog sales went down in 2007, aren't you?Originally posted by MJDangerousAt least now Edwood should understand that Queen catalog sales in Europe are in fact when down in 2007 in comparison to the 2 last years.
Poor boy, easy come, easy go...
EdWood, Made In Heaven sold that much due to Freddie's death. This album is far from being among their best works, it is even maybe their worst, according to me it is sad to see it being the biggest selling Queen studio album in Europe only because Freddie was dead, this album doesn't let at all the image of Queen's talent, it should have never been released. I think that more than one Queen fan will agree with me on that point.25 June 2009, the day the Music diedComment
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I agree on that. Of course, MiH includes some strong classics or interesting last songs, that Freddie composed before his death, but in overall - an average and, I'd say, strained album. It's a shame that only their last "studio" album after Freddie's death attained biggest sales success. QUEEN deserved more, especially when Freddie was still alive.Originally posted by MJDangerousStone cold crazyyyComment
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Yes I do not think Made In Heaven was their best album - far from it. I wouldnt say it was bad though and I quite enjoyed it but its not an album that I listen to very often.Originally posted by MJDangerousHappy ?! Just read my messages in this forum for years. I was the first in UKmix with HUR to argue how big were worldwide sales of GH1 and GH2. Queen is one of my favorite bands ever,the one that I listen the most, the first act that I discovered completely after Michael Jackson etc...
EdWood, Made In Heaven sold that much due to Freddie's death. This album is far from being among their best works, it is even maybe their worst, according to me it is sad to see it being the biggest selling Queen studio album in Europe only because Freddie was dead, this album doesn't let at all the image of Queen's talent, it should have never been released. I think that more than one Queen fan will agree with me on that point.
And when you said it sold alot because of Freddies death? Er, well Innuendo was the last album released whilst he was alive and that didnt sell too well did it - from Jimmypages 59 figures its probably sold 600-650,000 albums in the UK.
As you know, I still think, that in the UK, A Night At The Opera is the best selling Queen Studio album - it passes 'Made In Heaven's' 1.4 million sales.Comment
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Hello MJ Danegerous. I really donīt understand some of your points, and I clearly wanted my opinion to respected by you, but sometimes, it seems difficult for you to accept that other people can think different than you. My arguments are (in my opinion) solid and valid enough to desverve respect by you, yet the only thing you say to me is "fake" or something like that.
Itīs simple, mine was only an opinion, so is yours, but itīs not a fact that its real release was in 2002, if you want to think that it was in 2002 (because it was heavily promoted by their record company), then I reapect it, but donīt sell your claims as facts, I wonīt certainly buy that. Itīs very arrogant and pedantict to read posts like that, specially towards me, because I alwyas post my opinions without being rude. The only fact here is that it was first released in 2000 (and it even charted in several countries, being top ten in Netherlands, for exmaple), but apart from that, you can make the point you want.
In which I agree with is that it does seem that I include the Platinum collection to inflate Queen sales, but you know me a little, you must know that Iīm not that kind of persons. The reason why I count as a catalo (besides its real release) is the fact that it largely affected the sales of their two stongest catalog sellers (Greatest hits and Greatest hits 2), which makes any comparisson between Queen and Pink floyd be very unfair.
On the other hand, if you exclude that compilation as a catalog, then you wouldnīt compare Queen to Pink floyd, due to the fact that their two biggest album were dropped by a box set that contained both of them (hence the sales were down), a box set considered by you as a "new" release. What you have to take into account is the it sold well on the back of several events that made it be huge (the 10th annyversary of the tribute concert, the musical in UK, Spain, Germany and Switzerlands, the DVDīs, the remixes, the new tour and other things). Itīs not thta people said "Oh lets go to the stores and buy this new Queen release", on the contrary, Queen (by the events mentioned) called their attention and since this "new" option was in the stores, they prefered buying it (I understand it, a box set with their compilation, a lot of hits, a nice package bein sold at a good price, it was better to buy that in stead of some of the individual compilations). If they hadnīt relased this album, those would have been distributed between the other compilations. Thatīs the reason why, in my opinion, itīs not a propper new relaese.
So as I said, if you take it as a new release, then donīt compare thse two bands, since one of them had its sales heavily dropped by another compilation (supposed, by you, to be a new release).
I would like to explian some mistakes I made when writing my message (it wasnt because I didnīt know the facts, but because I typed ver quickly
). About Spain I didnīt say that Live at wembley charted higher, what i actually meant was that it charted at top 20 (reaching #14, and several weeks at top 100) between november and december (unlike "The wall"), when sales are higher than in the other months, which means that it may have sold as much as the other (even if it didnīt reached the top 10). And about this country and Italy, I made very clear that Queen need the Platinum collection to be added to their total to be able to rival (or match) Pink floyd sales. Only if you add that number, otherwhise Pink floyd are well ahead. When I mentioned those Queen albums that charted it was to show how their catalog (even if they ahve one album that is ahead all of the others) is still selling (Live at wembley, Graetest, Greatest hits 2, "Innuendo" and others).
The same for UK, I didnīt mean that their catalog is still sellin steadily well each year, I was talking only about recent years, and for some reason, I thounght that boost would keep this year, but it seems that (as Jimmypage59 said) itīs the contrary.
Please MJ Danegerous, if you want to reply this message, could you avoid using words like "fake" or so?. Itīs very rude, and I donīt my arguments to be dismissed in that way, just because you donīt agree with me. You want your works to be respected by others, donīt you?. Well one thong you should know is that you will gain respect by your positive and kind attitude. You may compila the most perfect list, with big knowledge, but if you donīt change that way, you wonīt be widely respected as you probably want. Itīs not only with, but with many members, that you are sometimes a bit rude, maybe itīs not your intention, but star deleting words like "fake", "crap" or so, it doesnīt contribute in anything to the debates, so take this as an advice from someone that could your friend.
I know that you love Queen, but I didnīt say the contrary.Comment
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Hi Jimmypages, do you have sales figures for all Queen Albums so far this year. I dont agree with MJDangerous. I think Platinum Collection has sold nearly 90,000 already this year. greatest Hits probably sold over 60,000. Adding all their other albums should make this over 300,000 this year ALREADY. With Live at Montreal being released in October I still think Queens sales in the UK will rival last years total of 640,000. Any comments?
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