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It was for the UK only.Comment
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Ok, thanks.Comment
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Just looked through the full list of 200 and it's a very strange list indeed. Great to see Greatest Hits at No1 but personally I think soundtracks / greatest hits shouldn't have been included, studio albums only for me. Yes it would have denied Queen the No1 spot but it would be more representative of their back catalogue and albums like ANATO and The Game would have featured higher. Also where is greatest hits 2, surely that would appear before AKOM and The Works? Queen's positions as follows.Originally posted by brian05 View Post
No1 - Queen Greatest Hits
No50 - A Night At The Opera
No91 - The Works
No119 - A Kind Of Magic
No194 - The Game
One last comment I refuse to believe 'Ed Hunter' by Iron Maiden is the No72 most streamed 70s 80s 90s album ever in the UK, love Maiden but surely that's an error, wasn't it more a PC game than Album?Comment
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Yeah the lists has holes all over it. Very strange. Ed Hunter was a video game. Number of the Beast is their most streamed album.Originally posted by slightlymad View PostComment
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I expect Queens Greatest hits to go up a lot in the charts this week, thanks to the new documentary on BBC 2 that was aired on Saturday night in the UK. Freddie Mercury ‘The Final act’, if anyone’s interested, it’s good.Comment
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Loads of albums upgraded today.
ARTIST TITLE LABEL AWARD FORMAT CERTIFIED RELEASED
Queen Greatest Hits Virgin Platinum X Album 26.11.2021 03.01.2011
Beatles Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band Apple Corps Platinum 18x Album 26.11.2021 09.09.2009
Pink Floyd The Dark Side Of The Moon Rhino Platinum 15x Album 26.11.2021 26.09.2011
Michael Jackson Thriller Epic Platinum 15x Album 26.11.2021 28.06.2009
Fleetwood Mac Rumours Rhino/Warner Records Platinum 15x Album 26.11.2021 11.03.1977
Michael Jackson Bad Sony Music Cg Platinum 14x Album 26.11.2021 31.08.1987
Bob Marley & The Wailers Legend Tuff Gong Platinum 13x Album 26.11.2021 08.05.1984
Simon & Garfunkel Bridge Over Troubled Water Columbia Platinum 11x Album 26.11.2021 20.08.2001
Beatles Abbey Road Apple Corps Platinum 8x Album 26.11.2021 09.09.2009
Don't know what Queen's award is. Was already 22 x Platinum on 10/8/2020. Is it now 23x Platinum?
Sgt. Pepper was already 18 x Platinum on 10/8/20. Clearly a mistake.Comment
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Wikipedia list of best-selling albums in the UK has Greatest Hits on 23 times platinum or 6,9000,000 sales.Comment
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BPI have made some adjustments to their awards. The following have been removed. (duplication)
Beatles - Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band - Apple Corps - Platinum 18x - Album 26.11.2021 - 09.09.2009
Bob Marley & The Wailers - Legend - Tuff Gong - Platinum 13x - Album - 26.11.2021 - 08.05.1984
Simon & Garfunkel - Bridge Over Troubled Water - Columbia - Platinum 11x - Album - 26.11.2021 - 20.08.2001
But this remains.
Queen - Greatest Hits - Virgin - Platinum X - Album - 26.11.2021 - 03.01.2011
I assume it is now 23 times platinum i.e. 6,900,000. The number is not visible on the BPI web site.Comment
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Queen Greatest Hits now confirmed by the BPI to me as 23 times platinum. They have asked the web site developer to fix the listing to make the 23 visible.Comment
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Australia :
#41 (RE) Greatest HitsComment
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Chart Date: 12/03/2021 (WEEK ENDING: 12/02/2021LW TW ARTIST | TITLE | LABEL TOTAL CHANGE ALBUMS TEA SEA https://hitsdailydouble.com/sales_plus_streaming30 23 QUEEN | GREATEST HITS 1
HOLLYWOOD22,534 18% 11,215 386 10,933
YTD OVERALL ACTIVITYRANK ARTIST | TITLE | LABEL YTD ACTIVITY ALBUMS SONGS AOD STREAMS VOD STREAMS 28 QUEEN | GREATEST HITS 1
HOLLYWOOD900,000 204,000 309,000 864,628,000 67,640,000 Last edited by Braca3; Fri December 3, 2021, 23:46.Comment
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Billboard End Of Year Charts 2021
Another very good year for Queen in America!!
Billboard Top 200 Albums
No23 - Queen Greatest Hits
BillboardTop Album Sales
No10 - Queen Greatest Hits
Billboard Top Catalogue Albums
No1 - Queen Greatest Hits
Billboard Top Vinyl Albums
No6 - Queen Greatest Hits
Billboard Global 200
No87 Queen - Bohemian Rhapsody
Billboard Global 200 (Excl USA)
No92 Queen - Bohemian Rhapsody
Billboard Top Artists
No69 - Queen
Billboard Top Rock Albums
No1 Queen - Greatest HitsComment
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Spotify Wrapped for 2021, Another great result for Queen
Most Streamed UK Artists Globally- Dua Lipa
- Ed Sheeran
- Coldplay
- One Direction
- Queen
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I thought that you may be interested in today's Official Charts Feature about 'Bohemian Rhapsody':
Link:
https://www.officialcharts.com/chart...RyMqJ4XFxDS1tk
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Chart Date: 12/10/2021 (WEEK ENDING: 12/09/2021LW TW ARTIST | TITLE | LABEL TOTAL CHANGE ALBUMS TEA SEA YTD OVERALL ACTIVITY23 50 QUEEN | GREATEST HITS 1
HOLLYWOOD17,045 -24% 5,481 418 11,146 RANK ARTIST | TITLE | LABEL YTD ACTIVITY ALBUMS SONGS AOD STREAMS VOD STREAMS 29 QUEEN | GREATEST HITS 1
HOLLYWOOD918,000 209,000 313,000 879,615,000 68,514,000 Last edited by Braca3; Fri December 10, 2021, 21:37.Comment
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Chart Date: 12/17/2021 (WEEK ENDING: 12/16/2021)LW TW ARTIST | TITLE | LABEL TOTAL CHANGE ALBUMS TEA SEA 50 49 QUEEN | GREATEST HITS 1
HOLLYWOOD17,251 1% 6,134 406 10,402
https://hitsdailydouble.com/sales_plus_streamingComment
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https://chartdata.org/2021/12/01/spo...tists-of-2021/
Spotify’s Top 50 Artists of 2021
#43 – Queen
https://chartdata.org/2020/12/02/spo...tists-of-2020/
Spotify’s Top 50 Artists of 2020
#34 – QueenLast edited by Braca3; Mon December 20, 2021, 09:46.Comment
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I was revisiting this forum and this thread in particular of one of my favourite acts and came across this post by HUR who was a very knowledgeable Queen fan.Originally posted by HUR View PostWell, I will start a break down with the Queen back catalog. Most of the following numbers are based on estimations due to lack of information. Dispite that, I know much more now than when I first enterd at this page, so first of all, I have to thank to all people here, like MJ Dangerous, Basil, Colin, Hanboo, John 2000, Mario, Enno, Indi, and a lot more.
1- Queen
-UK: 150 k
-USA: 800 k
-Japan: 24 k (charted in 1975 and 2004)
Estimated worldwide: 1.500.000 copies.
It didn´t chart in most countries, but with more than 30 years of back catalog sales that number seems to be right (or at least I think so).
2- Queen 2
-UK: 200 k
-USA: 500 k
-Japan: 56 k
-Norway: number 18 on the charts
Estimation worldwide: 1.000.000 copies
3- Sheer heart attack
-UK: 500 k
-USA: 800 k
-Japan: 104 k
-Netherlands: number 6
-Norway: number 9
-Australia: number 19
-France: number 24
-Spain: number 18
Estimation worldwide: 2.000.000 copies
4- A night at the opera
-UK: 1200 k
-Netherlands: 300 k (9 weeks at number one in 1976, charted again in 1992)
-Germany: 700 k (certified 500 k in 1993).
-Spain: 200 k (number 2, 18 weeks on the charts, and the best selling album of 1976 accordind to a spanish press article)
-Italy: 50 k (it never charted until 2005 with the re-release)
-France: 100 k (flopped in 1976, but a very decent back catalog seller)
-Switzerlands: 70 k (certified 50 k in 1992)
-Austria: 25 k
-Sweden: 50 k
-Rest of Europe: 300 k
-USA: 3500 k (certified 3000 k in 2002)
-Canada: 200 k
-Japan: 200 k
-Australia: 300 k (2 weeks at number one at the end of 1975, and the fourth best selling album of 1976)
Estimation worldwide: 8.000.000 copies.
Some charts facts:
- In UK, it was at number one during 4 weeks between the end of 1975 and the beginning of 1976. According to the Queen´s archivist (in his book "As it began) it sold over 500.000 copies in its first 8 weeks. It was 50 weeks on the official charts, and 93 on the biggest one available since 1994. It was also one of the 30 best selling albums of the 70´ and in the top 100 of the best selling albums compiled in 1987.
- In USA, it had a very good chart-running during 1976, peaking at number 4 (three weeks at that position), and seven at top ten. It was surely one of the big seller between 1976 and 1977. It sold more than 981.000 copies since 1991, and will pass the million mark this year. For that reason, 3.500.000 copies can be a very godd picture of its real sales.
I will post some other estimations. Of course these is nothing official, bit still a very good idea about some Queen worldwide sales.
I´m looking forwrd to comments or opinions about this numbers from people here, due to most of them are estimations. And besides, I also wait for claims about this break downs being fake.
He ends it by asking for comments or opinions, so (15 years too late no doubt!) I was wondering if the estimates in this section still hold good?
On the face of it they seemed reasonable in total globally in most cases but were perhaps a little light on the specific numbers such as the UK figures. A Night At The Opera must have exceeded 1,200,000 there for instance.
It was done in 2006 and so really took in all the serious physical sales era so there isn't much that was missed I'd imagine in the intervening years. Are there any revised ideas out there from the current crop of Queen posters?
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This list is completely out of date. Please click on this link for the most comprehensive and up to date sales for Queen and many other recording artists. It includes Vinyl, CD, tape, DVD, Video, download and streaming.Originally posted by Topicel View Post
https://chartmasters.org/best-sellin...-all-time/amp/Comment
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Many thanks Rockintunesbaby.
I was aware of that site and admire it for its sheer scope and ambition but sadly, when it comes to historical data (by which I mean prior to the digital era), it really doesn't bear scrutiny. It might be that HUR's list was completely out of date as you say, but it was done in 2006 and if it was based on anything other than guesswork I fail to see how the Chartmasters data is anything more than the same.
Let's just take one example, the first Queen album, 'Queen', from 1973 and focus on the UK only as their country of origin. HUR had a total in 2006 of 150k which, of course, was underweight reality. But according to Chartmasters that same album has managed 600k - surely very overweight?!
As an album it flopped badly following its July 1973 release and made no chart impact until the success of 'Queen II' brought it to the public's attention on 30/3/74 when over a seven-week period it made the then Top 50 five times with a peak of just No. 32. It made a one week revisit in January 1975 at No. 49 (no doubt on the back of interest fanned by 'Killer Queen' and 'Now I'm Here') but that was it until the immense impact of 'Boh Rhap' saw it reach its ultimate peak of No. 24 with twelve further Top 60 weeks from January 1976.
The BPI award of gold in May 1976 was evidently on the back of all this extra activity. In those days it was a monetary total and probably was equal to 120k at best, all shipments. The actual number of copies bought were obviously lower.
I've no idea how HUR rationalised all of this and arrived at 150k, but he was undoubtedly being ultra cautious in only allowing 30k more in the ensuing 30 years to 2006. But anyone adding 480k to arrive at 600k over the same time frame is being more than 'comprehensive', don't you think?!
Let's put that in percentage perspective. The total of 600k is a 500% increase on the 120,000 that the initial gold award roughly represented. Using that logic the 500,000 that the album managed for the RIAA gold in the States in March 1977 would mean an equivalent sale there of 2.5m...
I know the band were never as big in the US as the UK, but that is how daft 600,000 for a UK sale really is. And while we're at it, how is the US total of 750k justified? Adding 250k seems like a wild mid-point guess to me just because there has been no platinum...
I'm sure all the rest of the comprehensive country and region conclusions for just this first album are equally suspect when you get right down to looking at them closely. It all seems so arbitrary, so invented, so inconsistent. Suddenly the global total of 3,120,000 in Chartmasters has the air of fantasy about it and that is a big problem as with each elastic conclusion like this eventually feeding into the final CSCP analysis, that too becomes expansive nonsense, for all its merits as a novel way of measuring success.
The question now for the current crop of Queen posters who follow these things - which is surely why you're all here after all - which estimate is closer to the truth, HUR in 2006 or Chartmasters 2021?
TopicelLast edited by Topicel; Thu December 23, 2021, 21:12.Comment
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>> Topical fyi
Hur is part of the chartmasters team
Martin also part of the chartmasters team (Jimmypages here) has (or had) access to UK shipmentdata
I take issue with ur statement that "I know the band were never as big in the US as the UK" from NOTW up to The Game Queen where bigger in the US and Canada than anywhere else incl the UK
I believe your comparison arguments US vs UK sales data are flawed.
How you argue eagles GH 9 million add ons (I cannot for the life of me imagine where those came from) in recent years in the US to 38 million in comparison to their UK sales data?
On page 1 basil lists known SS numbers for the US (91 to 2006) SS did not (still does not i believe) cover all US sales. 750 in the US does not seem strange to me
Chartmasters might not be a100% accurate but I see no reason to believe they are far off the markComment
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^ Thank you for your reply Braca3. Presumably you are the original Braca?
If so, this post of yours in 2007 is apposite to the US side issue that I raised.
https://www.ukmix.org/forum/chart-di...18#post1442918
In this you are making an educated guess that the far better charting ‘Queen II’ and ‘Flash Gordon’ should be RIAA gold but (database issues aside) the fact is they simply are not. I ask you to now look at the Chartmasters totals for these two - 620k and 765k respectively - and tell me how they and the tally for ‘Queen’ at 750k can be anything else but an ‘educated guess’ too? With no reason why there is a 130k difference between ‘Queen’ and ‘Queen II’ other than a wild guess. The SS figures show little between them, if anything in favour of the latter.
As for my off the cuff remark that the band were never as big in the US as the UK, it was rather sweeping and I should have added the all important caveat ‘overall’ or ‘through the years’. The brief period late 77 to 1981 was indeed more golden in the States thanks to singles that struck a chord there and indeed propelled the two albums you mention to great heights. But there is no contest over the piece.
But once more we see an inconsistent approach at Chartmasters with current totals for ‘News Of The World’ at 4,350,000 and ‘The Game’ at 4,950,000. There is no reason for the differences, as both were 4xP in November 2002, and certainly not when you consider the SS figures you referred me to on page 1. If anything, that illustrates the totals on Chartmasters should be reversed! Certainly ‘The Game’ is half a million overweight unless there is a very good reason for such largesse that I’m unaware of?
As I said, it was not my intention to bother with US numbers other than to make the logical comparison/conclusion that I did with how the UK total of a gold record for the debut album ‘Queen’ at 120k can leap five-fold to 600k when the same in the States would see their gold level 500k become 2.5m. That was my clumsy way of illustrating just how unreal the 600k for ‘Queen’ is, not by way of any direct comparison with official US sales. It is Chartmasters who have made the UK sale jump by 500% from gold, not me.
And certainly I made no mention of The Eagles, and yes, I agree the recent ‘finds’ by the RIAA for their GH set are/were weird too!
It is your prerogative to accept what Chartmasters tell you Braca. But while I’m no expert to be any more definitive, I can spot when figures make no sense and 600k for ‘Queen’ in the UK just seems very wrong. For instance, you mentioned JP59’s data, and that comes to 119,457 over the 15 year period 1992-2006. Some club numbers were missing, but it is an average of just over 8k and that, to be frank, was the peak period of CD replacement sales too.
We have a shipment figure from the May 1976 gold that I have estimated reasonably at 120k, so we are looking at 240k or so with about 15 other non-charting years (1976-91) to account for. Most of these are during the 80s when the band were doing great in the UK but sales generally were not. Another 120k period? Even if a little more we are struggling to get past 400k, even with shipments when Freddie died, never mind 600k.
From what I can see some thought is required when looking at Chartmasters data from before the CIN/OCC era. It is not as realistic as it might seem and these inconsistencies are everywhere.
And as I said before, if the input data is that far out then the output CSPC totals will be even more unreliable.
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