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  • This week in the UK album chart:

    Greatest Hits 1,2 and 3 - Platinum Collection - 72 (86)

    This album has now spent 153 weeks on the top 75 UK album chart. I think it has now gone past David Gray's album White Ladder as having spent the most weeks in the top 75 UK album chart for the 21st century. This is even though, the album has kept being withdrawn from sale by Queen's record company.

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    • If we can all agree that the OCC's All Time Chart in 2006 included 1/2 the sales of GH1/GH2 and a 1/3 of the sales of the Platinum collection what were the correct totals for GH and GH 2?

      GH 4.8m?
      Gh2 2.8m?

      PC 1.5m?
      GH/GH2 0.6m?

      or
      GH 4.8m?
      GH2 3m?

      PC 1.4m?
      Gh/GH2 0.3m?

      MJ Dangerous
      wouldn't it be better if you estimated European sales by excluding UK sales initially. You could calculate on your remaining sample then x1.3 for a European total (minus UK). Then you can add the UK sales.

      for those wandering what I'm on about MJ Dangerous calculates European sales by adding the totals of 10 European countries (including the UK) and multiplying by 1.2 for the whole of Europe.

      UK sales are generally going to distort European sales. I know you have your own particular remedy but my solution is better

      Good work though on the sales estimates apart from that minor point

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      • Here is an article posted on november 2002, about their DVD "We will rock you in USA:

        WE WILL ROCK YOU Receives Five "DVD Excellence" Awards

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        The Record Industry Association of America has awarded Pioneer Entertainment's DVD release of QUEEN: WE WILL ROCK YOU an esteemed Double-Platinum certification for reaching over 200,000 units sold. Boasting newly restored, digitally re-mastered film, THX certification and unique anamorphic features, QUEEN: WE WILL ROCK YOU, released October 2001, continues to rock audiences around the world and generate retail sales.


        Reading this, it would look like this certification was actually just for the 2001 re-issue. Hanboo provided the following Soundscan numbers for previous versions:

        We will rock you (abay version, 1992): 132,000
        We will rock you (pioneer, 1997): 164,000

        The 1997īs one was then re-issued in 2001, which was apparently certified on its own (in stead of a combined shipment).

        So at least 296,000 (Soundscan 1992 and 1997 combined), and shipments of at least 200,00 for the 2001 vesrsion, which would take the grand total up to 496,000. And it was originally released several years before, in 1984. So the total is very good.

        http://www.allbusiness.com/media-teleco ... 298-1.html


        And we also have some worldwide numbers for their recent "Queen rock Montreal", which is a kind of re-issue (again) of this old concert, very impressive:

        UK: 52,000
        Germany: 25,000
        Italy: 18,300*
        France: 14,400**
        Poland: 5,000
        Portugal: 8,000

        USA: 50,000
        Canada: 10,000

        Mexico: 10,000
        Argentina: 2,000

        Australia: 7,500

        Japan: 9,000+


        *See "Me"īs site (an italian user of this forum). This is according to "M&D".

        **Infoidsc (arguably based on estimations)


        It sold around 210,000 in Europe (estimated), and with furher sales elsewhere, this is likely to have sold 350,000 worldwide. Very decent, although a bit lower than previous relases. Iīm happy with the results.

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        • Updated "Bohemian Rhapsody" in USA: 1,332,006 as of last week. So far, we know this.

          Under pressure: 502,437 (may, 2007)
          We are the champions: 673,046 (early april, 2008)
          We will rock you: 1,128,046 (june, 2008)
          Bohemian Rhapsody: 1,332,006

          Add, if you like, Another one bites the dust, which was certified gold in 2005 (100,000 legal downloads). So at least 3,735,535 in USA with just five songs (even incomplete). Total sales between 6,000,000 and 7,000,000 over there.

          "I was born to love you" was certified 2 platinum in Japan in 2006, for sales of over 500,000 copies.


          In UK, "Donīt stop me now" sold an estimated total of 53,300 copies during 2007. It charted many weeks this year, so expect this to be much higher.

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          • Johnyboy, not sure what you mean by excluding UK from Europe to gauge the sales of Greatest hits. You are suggesting that they were bigger in UK than in the rest of Europe?. If so, I donīt agree, because in my opinion Queen were slightly bigger through mainland Europe than UK itself (even being their local country).

            This compilation has been very huge since years, itīs virtually the biggest catalog seller of the last 20 years (except maybe, below Bob Marleyīs "Legend").

            I estimated that it sold now around 30 million worldwide.

            UK: 5,475,000
            Netherlands: 900,000
            Germany: 2,000,000
            Switzerland: 300,000
            Austria: 250,000 (recently reached #25 on the chart)
            Spain: 425,000 (it sold 182,700 on CDs between 1985 and december 2004)
            Italy: 400,000+
            France: 600,000
            Finland: 70,000 (55,000+ CDs since 1984)
            Sweden: 150,000

            This gives roughly 10,500,000+ in Europe. Use MJ Danegerousīs method (if he allows me to "borrow" it), and you get 12,700,000 for the continent.

            Then it sold around 9,800,000 in USA (certified 7,000,000 in december 2002, and sold 2,620,120 according to Soundscan betweem february 2003 and may 2008). Also 1,500,000 in Canada.

            It sold around 1,200,000 in Australia, and 205,000 in New zealand. Then add roughly 700,000 for Argentina, 600,000 for Japan, 600,000 for Korea.

            It was also:

            Mexico: 250,000 (platinum)
            Brazil: 250,000 (platinum in 1999)
            Singapur: 20,000 (platinum)
            Honk kong: 10,000 (gold in 1983)
            Soth africa: 100,000 (multi-platinum according to caal.net).

            A real massive album everywhere. By regions:

            Europe: 12,700,000
            USA: 9,800,000
            Australia: 1,200,000
            New zealand: between 190,000 and 205,000
            Canada: 1,500,000

            Also between 1,500 and 2000k for Latin America; between 2,000 and 3,000 for Asia; and between 500 and 1,000 k for the rest.

            In my opinion, it sold between 29,000 and 31,000 k worldwide.

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            • Hi HUR, glad you are back - looked like you had disappeared for a while!

              This week on US top pop catalog chart

              Queens Greatest Hits 17 (17) 741 weeks on combined chart

              UK album chart:

              60. (66) GREATEST HITS I II & III (Queen) 155 wks
              178. (RE) GREATEST HITS (Queen)

              On Canadian Top 100 album chart
              Queens Greatest Hits: 44 (45) 2 weeks ago it was at number 41
              In hard rock chart the same album is at number 5 and was at the same postion for 2 weeks previously - now spending 617 weeks on the chart..

              The Cosmos Rocks, the new album from Queen + Paul Rodgers, coming to EU and the UK 15th September and to the US and Canada on October 14th!!

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              • Hello Edwood. Long time no see you. I hope you have enjoyed some of the sales numbers I gave you last year for Queenonline. Yes, I havenīt posted in a while, but I was still reading all the updates over the forum, specially in this debate, so thanks to you and all the guys I could know about Platinum collectionīs charts performance and also "Donīt stp me now". Some good catalog sales this year.

                I read that their new album is being released on 15 septmeber this year, this is the date posted on amazon (although not official). I donīt understand why they arenīt releasing it at the same time worldwide.

                The new singles will be aired on monday on Radio 2 and Virgin, if I remember correctly.

                Honestly, Edwood, I think this album will be a general disappointment. I think that you probably know much more than me since you are in UK, you might know about expections for this album. But it would look like nobody cares about how well this will sell, neither their record company nor Queen productions. Probaby, Brian and Roger donīt care either, I think they are mainly interested in the tour. What do you think?.

                Think about it: forget about a hit (as far as I am concerned, "old" acts arenīt played that much), and forget about positive reviews (since press always hated Queen). The only thing that could make it sell well, would be massive interviews and appearences on TV shows, radio programs, magazines and the like, just like Celine Dions (who sold over 3,200,000 with her recent release) by doing that once the album was out. But the guys will be playing in Russia one day afetr the album release, so they wonīt probably be in UK to do their "work" in promoting the album.

                This is interesting though. We should need a new debate to talk about this album maybe, and let this one for "old" stuff and catalog sales.

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                • Glad to see you are back HUR,hope all is well.

                  Cheers Cidermaster
                  You can never have enough luxury lemon drizzle cake

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                  • Originally posted by cidermaster
                    Glad to see you are back HUR,hope all is well.

                    Cheers Cidermaster
                    Thank you, Cider, glad to see you too. Thank you for the positive comment. How have you been?. I didnīt see you for months last year and early this one.

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                    • Originally posted by HUR
                      Hello Edwood. Long time no see you. I hope you have enjoyed some of the sales numbers I gave you last year for Queenonline. Yes, I havenīt posted in a while, but I was still reading all the updates over the forum, specially in this debate, so thanks to you and all the guys I could know about Platinum collectionīs charts performance and also "Donīt stp me now". Some good catalog sales this year.

                      I read that their new album is being released on 15 septmeber this year, this is the date posted on amazon (although not official). I donīt understand why they arenīt releasing it at the same time worldwide.

                      The new singles will be aired on monday on Radio 2 and Virgin, if I remember correctly.

                      Honestly, Edwood, I think this album will be a general disappointment. I think that you probably know much more than me since you are in UK, you might know about expections for this album. But it would look like nobody cares about how well this will sell, neither their record company nor Queen productions. Probaby, Brian and Roger donīt care either, I think they are mainly interested in the tour. What do you think?.

                      Think about it: forget about a hit (as far as I am concerned, "old" acts arenīt played that much), and forget about positive reviews (since press always hated Queen). The only thing that could make it sell well, would be massive interviews and appearences on TV shows, radio programs, magazines and the like, just like Celine Dions (who sold over 3,200,000 with her recent release) by doing that once the album was out. But the guys will be playing in Russia one day afetr the album release, so they wonīt probably be in UK to do their "work" in promoting the album.

                      This is interesting though. We should need a new debate to talk about this album maybe, and let this one for "old" stuff and catalog sales.
                      Yes, well about The Platinum Collection, as I have said it has now been on the Top 75 UK album chart for more weeks then any other album in the 21st century - 155 weeks and counting and must be nearly at 1.7 million albums sold - this is why Queen's other greatest hits albums have suffered a drop in sales over the last few years.

                      Queen and Paul Rodgers new album? Well I will definately be buying it and am looking forward to it but as many have said it isn't really 'Queen' is it? For the album to have any chance of hitting number 1 in the UK, there needs to be alot of promotion in the next few weeks otherwise they have no chance.. :-?

                      Hopefully there will be some tracks like 'No-one But You' - without Paul Rodgers on them - I just wish that John Deacon would have joined them to lend a bit more credibility to the project.

                      There was supposed to be a 'big' release from the Queen archives at the end of this year - possibly the Singles Collection which would have included all the B'Sides and extended edits. We'll just have to wait and see....

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                      • Yes, well about The Platinum Collection, as I have said it has now been on the Top 75 UK album chart for more weeks then any other album in the 21st century - 155 weeks and counting and must be nearly at 1.7 million albums sold - this is why Queen's other greatest hits albums have suffered a drop in sales over the last few years.
                        Is it the album with most weeks on top 75 this decade?. Another achievement for the list. It sold about 75,000 copies this year (roughly 1,750,000 shipments up to now, in my opinion). It charted consistently high in several countries: #4 in Sweden (12 weeks on top 60), #10 in both New zealand and Denmark, top 20 in Norway, as well as top 50 in UK (19 weeks on top 75 this year), and in Estonia and Italy. Also charted outside the top 50 in Australia. Huge catalog seller.

                        Thank you for the additional information about the new album. Has the title been confirmed?. I will obviously buy it, I hope it receives good promotion. But would it chart relatively high if it didnīt receive that promotion just because they are using the name "Queen", I hope so. Since they are starting their tour, it could help it stay on the charts for a while.

                        If this album sells well, it would be good, I would be happy for both Brian and Roger (and Paul Rodgers, who looks like a good guy), but I donīt know.

                        A new box set this year? Wow that would be great.

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                        • Yeh cheers HUR,well i am still as mad as ever,and drinking too much,but whats new!

                          Cheers Cidermaster
                          You can never have enough luxury lemon drizzle cake

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                          • "Queen rock Montreal" #8 in Chile DVD charts (down from #6 last week). Third consecutive week at top ten in a row.

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                            • Italy DVD chart - FIMI

                              Queen - Live at wembley ī86: #16
                              Queen - Rock Montreal: #19

                              Strong DVD sales since years in Italy.

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                              • Originally posted by HUR
                                Johnyboy, not sure what you mean by excluding UK from Europe to gauge the sales of Greatest hits. You are suggesting that they were bigger in UK than in the rest of Europe?. If so, I donīt agree, because in my opinion Queen were slightly bigger through mainland Europe than UK itself (even being their local country).

                                This compilation has been very huge since years, itīs virtually the biggest catalog seller of the last 20 years (except maybe, below Bob Marleyīs "Legend").

                                I estimated that it sold now around 30 million worldwide.

                                UK: 5,475,000
                                Netherlands: 900,000
                                Germany: 2,000,000
                                Switzerland: 300,000
                                Austria: 250,000 (recently reached #25 on the chart)
                                Spain: 425,000 (sold 182,700 on CDs between 1985 and december 2004)
                                Italy: 400,000+
                                France: 600,000
                                Finland: 70,000 (55,000+ CDs since 1984)
                                Sweden: 150,000

                                This gives roughly 10,500,000+ in Europe. Use MJ Danegerousīs method (if he allows me to "borrow" it), and you get 12,700,000 for the continent.

                                According to my method 5,000,000 in Europe (exluding the UK). Multiply this by 1.3 and add the Uk's total and you'll get about 12m. OK, maybe not such a huge difference in this case - but it is a better system generally.

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                                • Originally posted by johnnyboy
                                  MJ Dangerous
                                  wouldn't it be better if you estimated European sales by excluding UK sales initially. You could calculate on your remaining sample then x1.3 for a European total (minus UK). Then you can add the UK sales.

                                  for those wandering what I'm on about MJ Dangerous calculates European sales by adding the totals of 10 European countries (including the UK) and multiplying by 1.2 for the whole of Europe.

                                  UK sales are generally going to distort European sales. I know you have your own particular remedy but my solution is better

                                  Good work though on the sales estimates apart from that minor point
                                  To exclude UK sales is a very bad idea IMO. For some albums, it is natural to exclude UK figure (like for Oasis albums, which I already do). But in general, the UK figure is the most usefull. Take an album from 1995. What do we get ? Estimates for all countries, limited by known info, with 0 'real sales' known, and many un(der)certified albums. The UK figure is by far the most accurate out of all. That's why it is important to keep it on the sample to do the calculations, and only removing it when clearly the UK figure isn't proportional to sales out of that country.
                                  Also, UK figure perfectly illustrate catalog, which are usualy much more proportional on all countries in comparison to sales during the promotion campaign. The UK figure increase the accuracy of the calculation.
                                  25 June 2009, the day the Music died

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                                  • Oh Johny, thank you for the kind reply. Sorry if I sounded rude with my comment above "Not sure what you mean", that wasnīt the intention though. Yes, your idea would works well, at least with Queen. Maybe thatīs a good one to gauge the sales of a given album that sold particularly well in a country.

                                    But well, I go with MJ Dangerous, in general, but who knows?. His point about UK being the most accurate and the "easiest" market is very interesting.

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                                    • Update Soundscan for Queenīs "Live at wembley ī86" (in USA): 297,511. This until last may, 2007. So expect this to be at about 350 k by now. Thank you MJ Dangerous.

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                                      • Yes, UK sales are important too.

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                                        • Nelson, you wrote this 2 years ago, is there any chance to know what those numbers are?. I donīt understand them well enough, they are strange.

                                          US INTERNATIONAL
                                          EAGLES/HOTEL CALIFORNIA 7 2.5
                                          JACKSON BROWNE/RUNNING ON EMPTY 2.5 350,000
                                          QUEEN/NEWS OF THE WORLD 3 600,000
                                          RONSTADT/SIMPLE DREAMS 3 1


                                          You antered the information in a way that itīs a bit difficult to understantand. However, I copied and pasted on word ducument, and it was slightly easier to read. What I read is that "News of the world" had sold 3,000,000 in USA by that moment (july 29, 1978) in USA, and 600,000 internationall. Is that right?.

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                                          • Album peak positions in Belgium.

                                            # highest peak
                                            () weeks on top ten

                                            - The game #2 (10)
                                            - Greatest hits 1 #1 (12)
                                            - Hot Space #4 (8)

                                            Nice, really.

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                                            • Italy DVD chart - FIMI

                                              Queen - Live at wembley ī86: #16
                                              Queen - Rock Montreal: #19

                                              Strong DVD sales since years in Italy.




                                              Live at Wembley DVD 1/9(127) 90.000+ copies sold!

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                                              • Originally posted by bestiamodesta
                                                Italy DVD chart - FIMI

                                                Queen - Live at wembley ī86: #16
                                                Queen - Rock Montreal: #19

                                                Strong DVD sales since years in Italy.




                                                Live at Wembley DVD 1/9(127) 90.000+ copies sold!

                                                Yes mate, thank you. I bet it is over 100,000 right now. In my excel document, with estimated total for each DVD, I put it at 110,000. Reason?. I assume shipments of at least 30,000 copies for 2003 (#2 in september, though it had already been release several month before); 10,000 for 2004 (good catalog, it was only a top ten); at least 45,000 in 2005 (#1 during 9 weeeks and nearly the entire year); 15,000 in 2006 (confirmed figure by "M&D"); and 20,000 for both 2007 and 2008 (so far), where it continued to sell reasinably well.

                                                In Europe, it sold about 1,150,000

                                                Here are confirmed figures:

                                                UK: 322,000
                                                Germany: 175,000
                                                Netherlands: 160,000
                                                France: 108,000
                                                Spain: 25,000
                                                Denmark: 7,500
                                                Poland: 10,000
                                                Italy: 15,000 (2006 only)
                                                Portugal: 44,000

                                                But, itīs undercertified in many countries. For example, in UK it was at that mark until november 2007, obviously you can roud it at 330k+.

                                                In Netherlands, it was certified 2 platinum back in april 2005 (for sales of 160,000). However, it stayed 12 weeks at number in 2003, and was #1 on the year-end 2003, #9 in 2004, and #10 in 2005. So it was still selling when it received its last certification. My estimation is 180,000 (maybe more). A smash in Sweden (#3 with 95 weeks), and Greece (#2 in 2005, 2 years after it was released). Belgium is a rather similar market to Netherlands, so expect it have sold well over there.

                                                Itīs, in my opinion, very close to being the best selling DVD ever in Europe.

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                                                • For Europe I got in my excel file (yes... me to i got excel file ) i got these datas for Wembley in Europe:

                                                  Austria 1/3(35)G 5.000
                                                  Belgio 5(12)
                                                  Danimarca 3(25)G 5.000
                                                  Eesti 5(53) --> i got data from week 1/07!!!
                                                  France 4(79)D 110.000
                                                  Germany 1/4(53++) 3P 175.000
                                                  Greece 2(??) 5.000
                                                  Hungary 7(12)
                                                  Italia 1/9(127) 100.000
                                                  Netherlands 1/12(78++) 160.000
                                                  Norway 3(14) 4.000
                                                  Poland ??(??) 10.000
                                                  Portugal 2(76) 11P 44.000
                                                  Czech Rep. 8(11)
                                                  Spain 1/??(??)P 25.000
                                                  Sweden 3(95) 5.000
                                                  Swissland 4(54) 3.000 -->montly chart
                                                  UK 1/8(170+) 5P 330.000

                                                  This gives to Wembley 981.000 copies with much old datas and some countries without sales datas.

                                                  For me is possible that is over 1,2 milion in europe...

                                                  HUR... are you going to see them somewhere in Europe?

                                                  I'll be in Milano (my city) and Antwerp!

                                                  see you!

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                                                  • Yes, your sales estimations are pretty close to mine, which means we have done a good job on this DVD.

                                                    There a couple of points though. In France, this was certified diamond in april 2005, for sales of over 100,000. Yet, it sold 20,200 during that year overall. That would mean that it sold roughly 13,400 (more or less) during the last 2 quarters of the year (between april and december). Besides, it sold 8,200 in 2006(estimated on infodisc, the same source I put earlier). So that would put it at 21,600 from april 2005 and december 2006, and hence, about 121,600 up to that point. Add catalog sales for 2007 and 2008, and you can say it sold about 130k in France.


                                                    As for Portugal, it was certified 11 platinum (44,000 copies) in 2003, when it was released (in a few months actually). Still, there was no chart compiled back then, as it only started on april the next year. It charted at #2 with 76 weeks on charts since then, all those weeks achieved after its certification, so I would say this DVD is ready to receive 15 platinum awards there (60,000). Thatīs the best estimation.

                                                    Poland is likely to be 2 platinum by now too.


                                                    And, I wonīt be attending any concert because I donīt live in Europe. I doubt they will come here where I live, but who knows. I hope you enjoy the two ones you will be going.

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