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  • Originally posted by HUR
    Wow, great update over there. Thanks.
    Ii do not understand these - both are for 50k (as far as I know)
    Queen 2008 Greatest Video Hits 1 LP 2x Gold EMI Music Germany GmbH & Co. KG

    Queen 2008 Greatest Video Hits 1 LP 1x Platin EMI Music Germany GmbH & Co. KG

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    • Originally posted by braca
      Originally posted by HUR
      Wow, great update over there. Thanks.
      Ii do not understand these - both are for 50k (as far as I know)
      Queen 2008 Greatest Video Hits 1 LP 2x Gold EMI Music Germany GmbH & Co. KG

      Queen 2008 Greatest Video Hits 1 LP 1x Platin EMI Music Germany GmbH & Co. KG
      Yes, I donīt understand either. Both are for 50,000 copies. Maybe it is a triple gold award (75,000 copies), or a double platinum (100,000). It was the first DVD on EMI catalog to ever be certified gold in february 2003. After that, it reached #1 and spent 32+ weeks in the top 20, so personally, something like 100,000 copies or so wouldnīt surprise me.

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      • Originally posted by HUR
        Originally posted by MJDangerous
        Originally posted by HUR
        And yes, you didnīt claim that "Greatest hits 1" sold only 200,000, but you did say that figure was comprehensive accroding to you. The CD version was released in january 1985, thatīs the reason why the breakdown started from 1985/1986 onwards. But if you claim that those figure are counting all formats, then there is no reason why you should assume it doesnīt count all sales, according to that logic, that one should be since 1981.
        Comprehensive = All formats

        That isn't the same as since release. Obviously they haven't figures from before 86, if they got them they should have posted figures of The Works too and so on. Figures start from 85/86.
        But why wouldnīt they have access to sales before 1985 or so?.
        Aren't figures from Netherlands post 93 only or so ? They simply haven't data for previous years, if they had data for 1984 etc, I don't see the point in excluding the Works from the breakdown for example.

        Originally posted by HUR
        Do you ever considered the possibility of your figures being on the high side ?
        I never overestimate the sales of my favourite acts. If there is any "high number", it is because of a clerical mistake, but not because Iīm a fan who inflates sales. You admitted yourself that...
        And I'm not contradicting it, I know you never inflate sales voluntarly. But I think there is a clerical mistake, not due to you obviously but to the EMI mail which generated all this.

        Thanks David for Spanish CD sales year per year. They were definitely irrevelant in 86. A Kind Of Magic was Plat in early 87, at the end of its run. It probably shipped 110-120k by late 87 and close to 100k (platinum) in catalog 88-2004, which makes perfectly sense.
        25 June 2009, the day the Music died

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        • Thanks David for Spanish CD sales year per year. They were definitely irrevelant in 86. A Kind Of Magic was Plat in early 87, at the end of its run. It probably shipped 110-120k by late 87 and close to 100k (platinum) in catalog 88-2004, which makes perfectly sense.
          When an album is certified platinum, thatīs for anywhere between 100,000 and 199,000 copies...

          As for the figures again, donīt you find it strange that they start from the same year where their first CD was ever issued?. Donīt you considere the idea of some studio albums selling better on catalog than you are expecting?.

          Seeing you downgrading their sales in Spain is a real disappointment. I canīt see how Michael Jackson, Madonna or Dire Straits were much bigger than them really. Pink Floyd virtually selling twice a smuch as them...sorry, but I find it strange.

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          • Originally posted by HUR
            As for the figures again, donīt you find it strange that they start from the same year where their first CD was ever issued?. Donīt you considere the idea of some studio albums selling better on catalog than you are expecting?.
            So, if it is simply about the issue of the CD format, why haven't they just posted sales of all their albums on CD format, like for GH1 ?

            I do not doubt a second that some of their albums sold well on catalog, 100k for AKOM is already truly great. But AKOM or The Miracle getting basically the same catalog sales as GH1 is a pure nonsense ! And if we consider figures as CD sales only, then we consider that yes, catalog sales of AKOM are bigger than the ones of GH1, and I'm sure you will say just like me that it can't be true.

            I remember estimating Madonna figures thanks to Queen ones, so obviously I'm going to check back her Spanish sales too. Don't worry, I will never use different ways of estimations for different acts, so each figure that need to be corrected will be corrected. Still Pink Floyd will remain way ahead of Queen, simply because they are the biggest band ever in each European Latin countries
            25 June 2009, the day the Music died

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            • I remember estimating Madonna figures thanks to Queen ones, so obviously I'm going to check back her Spanish sales too. Don't worry, I will never use different ways of estimations for different acts, so each figure that need to be corrected will be corrected. Still Pink Floyd will remain way ahead of Queen, simply because they are the biggest band ever in each European Latin countries
              But you have to undestand that all people have their own opinion. In my opinion, and after looking at chart performances as much as you for Spain, I canīt see how Floyd sold over 5 million and Queen barely 3 million over there.

              And not just Madonna, but other figures for acts like Michael Jackson like 300k for "Off the wall" should probably be checked too, the same for Dire Straits in Italy, like one million for "Making movies", I know that one came from a fan site, but well, if you donīt believe those sales for Queen, there is no reason why you should take what a biography of the band claims for them...

              Also, just a queston: how will you do to estimate their sales beore 1984 in Spain?. I mean, what kind of sales do you assume for albums like "A day at the races", for example?. Close to nothing?.

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              Besides, what are your methods for other parts of Asia other than Japan?. Will you use those certifications for Singapore as gauge to compare it to other asian countries, or will you start dispunting them too?. And what about Africa and middle East?. Thank you.

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              • IFPI Germany



                A night at the opera – 500,000
                A day at the races – 250,000
                News of the world – 500,000
                Jazz – 250,000
                Live killers – 250,000
                The game – 250,000
                Greatest hits 1 – 1,800,000
                The works – 250,000
                A kind of magic – 750,000
                Live magic – 250,000
                The miracle – 500,000
                Innuendo – 500,000
                Greatest hits 2 – 2,250,000
                Live at wembely ī86 – 250,000
                Five live – 250,000
                Greatest hits I&II – 250,000
                Made in heaven – 1,500,000
                Queen dance traxx 1 – 250,000
                Greatest hits 3 – 150,000
                Platinum collection – 150,000
                Queen on fire – 200,000

                Total shipments – 11,300,000

                DVDs

                Greatest video hits 1 – 50,000
                Live at wembely ī86 – 200,000
                Greatest video hits 2 – 50,000
                Queen on fire – 125,000
                Queen rock montreal – 25,000
                Return of the champions – 25,000

                Total shipments – 475,000

                Wow

                By the way, MJD, "A night at the opera" is at 500,000 but just for CDs only.


                Nah not true.

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                • UK singles chart last week

                  155. (131) DON’T STOP ME NOW (Queen)

                  In UK albums chart due to the current relative success of Greatest Hits and Greatest Hits 2, Platinum Collection is now out of top 200....

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                  • Madonna sold

                    over 35 million albums MORE than Dion worldwide
                    over 50 million albums MORE than Dion worldwide

                    GROSSED more money than Dion from her tours (with adjusted revenues) although her audience was les than half that of Dion's

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                    • Not sure if it was posted by Braca, but the album "A kind of magic" was certified gold in Japan for sales of 100,000+ copies over there. The strange thing is that it sold only 13,000 during its initial performance, although they were just LPs (not counting other formats). This further proves what our friend MJDangerous explained about Oricon sales numbers being sometimes "misleading" regarding certain albums. Finally, I found the link (see at the bottom of the link):

                      http://www.queenmuseum.com/index.php?op ... iew&id=262

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                      • Originally posted by HUR
                        This further proves what our friend MJDangerous explained about Oricon sales numbers being

                        Many of the older releases probably sold 5-8 times what is stated in Oricon numbers. We dont judge US or UK sales by the first year sales so why do that for Japan sales. I

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                        • And here we go with the DVD "Live at wembley ī86" again:

                          UK: 323,000
                          Germany: 200,000
                          Netherlands: 160,000
                          Italy: 15,000 (2006 only)
                          Spain: 25,000
                          Portugal: 44,000
                          Austria: 5,000
                          France: 108,200
                          Denmark: 4,000
                          Poland: 10,000

                          Total estimated in Europe: 1,150,000

                          Just confirmed numbers.

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                          • Originally posted by HUR
                            And here we go with the DVD "Live at wembley ī86" again:

                            UK: 323,000
                            Germany: 200,000
                            Netherlands: 160,000
                            Italy: 15,000 (2006 only)
                            Spain: 25,000
                            Portugal: 44,000
                            Austria: 5,000
                            France: 108,200
                            Denmark: 4,000
                            Poland: 10,000

                            Total estimated in Europe: 1,150,000

                            Just confirmed numbers.
                            11xP=88,000 in Portugal , Plat =8,000

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                            • Originally posted by pierpinto
                              Originally posted by HUR
                              And here we go with the DVD "Live at wembley ī86" again:

                              UK: 323,000
                              Germany: 200,000
                              Netherlands: 160,000
                              Italy: 15,000 (2006 only)
                              Spain: 25,000
                              Portugal: 44,000
                              Austria: 5,000
                              France: 108,200
                              Denmark: 4,000
                              Poland: 10,000

                              Total estimated in Europe: 1,150,000

                              Just confirmed numbers.
                              11xP=88,000 in Portugal , Plat =8,000
                              Thanks Pier, but before 2005, the level for platinum was 4,000 copies shipped, I think. People from Portugal reported that. Do you know it for certain?. Remember, this DVD was certified in 2003 just a few months after its release, so 88k would look a bit high?.

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                              • Originally posted by HUR
                                Originally posted by pierpinto
                                Originally posted by HUR
                                And here we go with the DVD "Live at wembley ī86" again:

                                UK: 323,000
                                Germany: 200,000
                                Netherlands: 160,000
                                Italy: 15,000 (2006 only)
                                Spain: 25,000
                                Portugal: 44,000
                                Austria: 5,000
                                France: 108,200
                                Denmark: 4,000
                                Poland: 10,000

                                Total estimated in Europe: 1,150,000

                                Just confirmed numbers.
                                11xP=88,000 in Portugal , Plat =8,000
                                Thanks Pier, but before 2005, the level for platinum was 4,000 copies shipped, I think. People from Portugal reported that. Do you know it for certain?. Remember, this DVD was certified in 2003 just a few months after its release, so 88k would look a bit high?.
                                Ops

                                I didn't know plat was for 4,000 before 2005.
                                IFPI reports always reported 8,000 as plat since 2005 onwards.

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                                • Originally posted by HUR
                                  Mate, you are a nightmare, sorry. Do me favour, believe what you want. Why donīt you give a mail address to ask for Queen certifications in Honk Kong?. When you do that I will give you the address...
                                  I don't have mail as I got it from HK fan.
                                  Since most of your figures are absurd.

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                                  • [quote="MJDangerous"][quote="HUR"]
                                    EMI does NOT communicate about those figures.


                                    Yes is truth. Ten months trying I take information they did not give. When I took information (since superior executive) compromise that I will not never say that my source is the EMI.

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                                    • Originally posted by nelson
                                      Originally posted by HUR
                                      Mate, you are a nightmare, sorry. Do me favour, believe what you want. Why donīt you give a mail address to ask for Queen certifications in Honk Kong?. When you do that I will give you the address...
                                      I don't have mail as I got it from HK fan.
                                      Since most of your figures are absurd.
                                      But Iīm a fan, so why donīt you believe me?. As I said believe what you want, but stop replying to my messages, at least do me that favour, mate.

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                                      • Originally posted by HUR
                                        Originally posted by nelson
                                        Originally posted by HUR
                                        Mate, you are a nightmare, sorry. Do me favour, believe what you want. Why donīt you give a mail address to ask for Queen certifications in Honk Kong?. When you do that I will give you the address...
                                        I don't have mail as I got it from HK fan.
                                        Since most of your figures are absurd.
                                        But Iīm a fan, so why donīt you believe me?. As I said believe what you, but stop replying to my messages, at least do me that favour, mate.
                                        You got me wrong, I love your message, you are so cute.

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                                        • HUR, I believe the vast majority of your work is correct. Of course with alot of countries, we can only GUESS/ESTIMATE the figures. But you have used sound methodology in obtaining the results. You have also spent alot of time in obtaining the data. So ignore anyone who tries to dispute the data you have presented. No-one knows anything for certain so no-one can be an expert...

                                          This really annoys me - like when people tried to question the Top 100 UK album seller list - they were trying to dispute figures given by many chart experts who had spent months going through god knows what to get the results.... :-?

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                                          • Originally posted by EdWood
                                            HUR, I believe the vast majority of your work is correct. Of course with alot of countries, we can only GUESS/ESTIMATE the figures. But you have used sound methodology in obtaining the results. You have also spent alot of time in obtaining the data. So ignore anyone who tries to dispute the data you have presented. No-one knows anything for certain so no-one can be an expert...

                                            This really annoys me - like when people tried to question the Top 100 UK album seller list - they were trying to dispute figures given by many chart experts who had spent months going through god knows what to get the results.... :-?
                                            Even biggest experts make mistakes. Billboard reported over 40m copies sold of BIB, which is fake, over 37m for BOOH, which is fake too. Music Week reported zillion fake figures. The Guiness Book is full of mistakes. Sony Music reported fake Mariah Carey album sales figures. The list goes on. OCC reported a fake figure of Queen GH1, that's just another mistake between many others. Nobody is safe of doing mistakes here and there, even the most accurate organisations.

                                            To mix "CDs" with "Albums" is a typical mistake which happens very regularly. Many times majors use the world "CD" while they album about an album voluntarly to make the figure sound bigger. Just like reporting figures of "records" sold when they refer to an album (they add sales of all singles and give the misleading information about the figure concerning the album alone).

                                            About the Queen GH figure, OCC is for sure fake, since the All time list contradict completely their own year end sales figures about that album, so whatever the figure is, they reported for sure fake figures.
                                            25 June 2009, the day the Music died

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                                            • Originally posted by EdWood
                                              HUR, I believe the vast majority of your work is correct. Of course with alot of countries, we can only GUESS/ESTIMATE the figures. But you have used sound methodology in obtaining the results. You have also spent alot of time in obtaining the data. So ignore anyone who tries to dispute the data you have presented. No-one knows anything for certain so no-one can be an expert...

                                              This really annoys me - like when people tried to question the Top 100 UK album seller list - they were trying to dispute figures given by many chart experts who had spent months going through god knows what to get the results.... :-?

                                              Thank you, Edwood, for the compliment. Yes, maybe annoying, but Nelsonīs comments are supposed to be for fun. He just jokes many times, so maybe Iīm the stupid for replying him. But when you see someone like him posting certfications that are, many times, taken from fan sites or fans clubs, and then he disputes our figure (that were very difficult to get)...thatīs what I call being hypocrital, really.

                                              Donīt worry, we donīt post fake. Like 5 years ago, we were in the shadow about regions like USA or so, and thanks to people like Braca, Jimmypage59, MJDangerous, and Hanboo, we know much more now than in the past.

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                                              • This week, "Greatest hits 1" sold 3,125 copies at least in USA (#187 on the billboard comprehensive chart). This album has sold roughly 200,000 copies this year so far.

                                                In UK, "Greatest hits 1" sold 6,000+, and "Greatest hits 2" 2,000+ last week. Two weeks ago Queen sold with their entire catalog around 38,000 copies (counting 28,113 for "The cosmos rocks"). Last week, they sold roughly 22,000 (including about 12,000 for their new studio release).

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                                                • Originally posted by MJDangerous
                                                  Even biggest experts make mistakes. Billboard reported over 40m copies sold of BIB, which is fake, over 37m for BOOH, which is fake too. Music Week reported zillion fake figures. The Guiness Book is full of mistakes. Sony Music reported fake Mariah Carey album sales figures. The list goes on. OCC reported a fake figure of Queen GH1, that's just another mistake between many others. Nobody is safe of doing mistakes here and there, even the most accurate organisations.

                                                  To mix "CDs" with "Albums" is a typical mistake which happens very regularly. Many times majors use the world "CD" while they album about an album voluntarly to make the figure sound bigger. Just like reporting figures of "records" sold when they refer to an album (they add sales of all singles and give the misleading information about the figure concerning the album alone).

                                                  About the Queen GH figure, OCC is for sure fake, since the All time list contradict completely their own year end sales figures about that album, so whatever the figure is, they reported for sure fake figures.
                                                  Yes of course, only MJ doesnt make any mistakes
                                                  By the way, he even doesnt prove that OCC number for GH album is fake, just shouts loud about it, no more
                                                  Stone cold crazyyy

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                                                  • We should stop with this guys. Sorry, I know that I was heavily involved in this kind of debates, but what do we gain with this?. Everything related to Queen is always controversial, like that list, but who cares?. Letīs just post more chart information.

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