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  • #51
    Originally posted by bergkamp2004
    stop the clocks and dbtt went gold in canada

    cert. date artist name title label name cdn cont. cert. type award units link
    1995-12-21 OASIS "(WHAT'S THE STORY) MORNING GLORY" Epic
    CD Gold 50,000
    1996-02-29 OASIS "(WHAT'S THE STORY) MORNING GLORY" Epic
    CD Platinum 100,000
    1996-02-29 OASIS "(WHAT'S THE STORY) MORNING GLORY" Epic
    CD 2 X Platinum 200,000
    1996-04-04 OASIS "(WHAT'S THE STORY) MORNING GLORY" Epic
    CD 3 X Platinum 300,000
    1996-06-12 OASIS "DEFINITELY MAYBE" Epic
    CD Gold 50,000
    1996-06-12 OASIS "(WHAT'S THE STORY) MORNING GLORY" Epic
    CD 4 X Platinum 400,000
    1996-09-27 OASIS "(WHAT'S THE STORY) MORNING GLORY" Epic
    CD 5 X Platinum 500,000
    1996-09-27 OASIS "(WHAT'S THE STORY) MORNING GLORY" Epic
    CD 6 X Platinum 600,000
    1997-01-09 OASIS "(WHAT'S THE STORY) MORNING GLORY" Epic
    CD 7 X Platinum 700,000
    1997-05-23 OASIS "(WHAT'S THE STORY) MORNING GLORY" Epic
    CD 8 X Platinum 800,000
    1997-05-29 OASIS "DEFINITELY MAYBE" Epic
    CD Platinum 100,000
    1997-08-29 OASIS "BE HERE NOW" Epic
    CD Gold 50,000
    1997-08-29 OASIS "BE HERE NOW" Epic
    CD Platinum 100,000
    1997-08-29 OASIS "BE HERE NOW" Epic
    CD 2 X Platinum 200,000
    1998-11-30 OASIS "THE MASTERPLAN" Epic
    CD Gold 50,000
    2002-08-13 OASIS "HEATHEN CHEMISTRY" COLUMBIA
    CD Gold 50,000 view
    2005-06-07 OASIS "DON'T BELIEVE THE TRUTH" EPIC
    CD Gold 50,000 view
    1,300,000

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    • #52
      Let's look at global sales for What's the Story Morning Glory.

      English Speaking Countries
      4,800,000 UK (inc music club)
      4,000,000 USA
      800,000 Canada
      540,000 Australia
      105,000 New Zealand
      320,000? Ireland (guestimate)

      about 10.6m sales



      Europe
      300,000 France
      250, 000 Germany
      50,0000 Netherlands
      25,000 Finland
      625,000 from these 4 countries. As they represent about 50% of Mainland Europe's sales about 1.3 m in Mainland Europe.

      The IPFI say 6m in Europe - but that would include the massive UK sales.

      Asia/Rest of World
      108,000 in Japan. The whole of Asia and therest of the world? 500,000?

      Total 12.4m

      Even if this is a bit low i can't see sales of more than 15 million. Outside English speaking countries sales aren't that great.

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      • #53
        Originally posted by johnnyboy
        Let's look at global sales for What's the Story Morning Glory.

        English Speaking Countries
        4,800,000 UK (inc music club)
        4,000,000 USA
        800,000 Canada
        540,000 Australia
        105,000 New Zealand
        320,000? Ireland (guestimate)

        about 10.6m sales



        Europe
        300,000 France
        250, 000 Germany
        50,0000 Netherlands
        25,000 Finland
        625,000 from these 4 countries. As they represent about 50% of Mainland Europe's sales about 1.3 m in Mainland Europe.

        The IPFI say 6m in Europe - but that would include the massive UK sales.

        Asia/Rest of World
        108,000 in Japan. The whole of Asia and therest of the world? 500,000?

        Total 12.4m

        Even if this is a bit low i can't see sales of more than 15 million. Outside English speaking countries sales aren't that great.
        Most of those figures are very old. In the US, it scanned around 1 million copies since it was certified 4xPlatinum, it is around 5 million now.
        The same goes for Europe, it is not hard to point out 1 million sales since the last European award of 6xPlatinum.
        About Asia, I'm 100% sure it sold more than 500k in Japan alone.
        25 June 2009, the day the Music died

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        • #54
          it must be over 800,000 in canada that cert was over 10 years ago!!
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          • #55
            morning glory must have sold minimum 350k in spain and italy

            plus mega sales in austria, switzerland and scandinavia

            easily another million in europe to those 4 mentioned by johnnyboy

            oh and oasis are huge in argentina, mexico and brazil so another 100k for each minimum
            28 AUGUST 2009
            THE DAY MUSIC DIED
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            • #56
              MJ Dangerous

              The figures may be old but they are official/checkable. Unfortunately, they are all I can go own.

              By the way, why do you over-use the quote facility? You replied staright after my post and did so by quoting all my post. The net result is that if you scroll down threads a lot of what you see is repetion of people quoting each other!

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              • #57
                Johnnyboy you are not referring to official/checkable figures only, your figures for Ireland, Asia, Mainland Europe and Worldwide are all estimates.

                When you say "I can't see sales of more than 15 million" you do not speak about only checkable figures obviously.

                In most, 5m in the US for example is checkable data - just check the combo RIAA/Soundscan.

                If you want to post only certifications, then always add dates, because they are as meaningfull as the certification itself.
                25 June 2009, the day the Music died

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                • #58
                  Originally posted by RollingBob

                  & Video/DVD's :

                  '95 : Live By The Sea - 184k
                  '96 : There & Then - 365k
                  '00 : Familiar To Millions - 110k
                  '04 : Def Maybe : Anniversary Edition - 133k

                  Cumulative UK Video/DVD sales to date : 792k
                  thanks for that!

                  They have done very well with there video/dvds.

                  There and then 365k is very good... as music DVDs arent big

                  also

                  what's latest estimate for their latest DVD Lord don't slow me down?

                  I know it sold around 50,000 in 2007.
                  I'm mad fer it!

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                  • #59
                    Here's my ESTIMATES for What's the story morning Glory.

                    5,000,000 USA
                    5,000,000 UK/Ireland
                    800,000 Canada
                    700,000 Australia/NZ

                    11.5m in English speaking countries

                    2.0 Europe
                    1.0 Japan/Asia
                    0.5 Rest of the World

                    Total 14.5m. In my first post on this I said less than 15m.

                    anybody else got estimates?

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                    • #60
                      (What´s the story) Morning glory
                      ifpi 6 platinum award is from 1997
                      uk 13 platinum award is fron oct 1997

                      so in my opinion it must be around 8 million in Europe, another 8 in America (more than five in USA, nearly one in Canada, and the rest in Mexico, Brazil and Argentina) and another 2 million between Asia and Australia.

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                      • #61
                        Originally posted by MIGUEL
                        (What´s the story) Morning glory
                        ifpi 6 platinum award is from 1997
                        uk 13 platinum award is fron oct 1997

                        so in my opinion it must be around 8 million in Europe, another 8 in America (more than five in USA, nearly one in Canada, and the rest in Mexico, Brazil and Argentina) and another 2 million between Asia and Australia.
                        2m in Mexico, Brazil and Argentina is nonsense.

                        I have it at a little bit more than 16m :

                        USA : 5.000.000
                        Canada : 1.200.000
                        Mexique : 75.000+
                        Argentine : 60.000+

                        Japon : 400.000

                        Australie : 420.000
                        Nouvelle-Zélande : 105.000

                        Europe : 7.630.000
                        - UK : 4.750.000
                        - France : 600.000
                        - Allemagne : 450.000
                        - Italie : 450.000
                        - Espagne : 200.000
                        - Pays-Bas : 100.000+ (#5 (73))
                        - Suisse : 75.000 (#1 x1(8)(37))
                        - Finlande : 27.540 (#8 (5)(36))
                        - Autriche : 40.000 (#3 (9)(30))
                        - Suède : 150.000 (#1 x1(10)(51))
                        - Norvège : #5 (5)(36)

                        Estimation Mondiale : 16.100.000
                        25 June 2009, the day the Music died

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                        • #62
                          MJ Dangerous

                          I don't mind if you say global sales are 16m....it is one of my Top 3 favourite albums of all time anyway!

                          By the way, where do you get all your sales information from? Are the figures you quoted above real sales or your estimates? how can you get 'inside knowledge' of sales from so many countries?

                          On calculating European sales i know how you explained how you adjust your formula for acts such as Oasis.
                          Howver, UK sales figures are generally, not occassionally, out of step with the rest of Europe. wouldn't it better to exclude the UK from your formula altogether.

                          Example; the 9 remaining european countries x1.3 for a pan European result + UK sales.

                          I agree with those Latin American results being rubbish. Often you get these unbelielable sales figures quoted for South America which are just made up!

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                          • #63
                            Originally posted by johnnyboy
                            how can you get 'inside knowledge' of sales from so many countries?
                            That was made to public.

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                            • #64
                              Originally posted by MJDangerous
                              Originally posted by MIGUEL
                              (What´s the story) Morning glory
                              ifpi 6 platinum award is from 1997
                              uk 13 platinum award is fron oct 1997

                              so in my opinion it must be around 8 million in Europe, another 8 in America (more than five in USA, nearly one in Canada, and the rest in Mexico, Brazil and Argentina) and another 2 million between Asia and Australia.
                              2m in Mexico, Brazil and Argentina is nonsense.

                              I have it at a little bit more than 16m :

                              USA : 5.000.000
                              Canada : 1.200.000
                              Mexique : 75.000+
                              Argentine : 60.000+

                              Japon : 400.000

                              Australie : 420.000
                              Nouvelle-Zélande : 105.000

                              Europe : 7.630.000
                              - UK : 4.750.000
                              - France : 600.000
                              - Allemagne : 450.000
                              - Italie : 450.000
                              - Espagne : 200.000
                              - Pays-Bas : 100.000+ (#5 (73))
                              - Suisse : 75.000 (#1 x1(8)(37))
                              - Finlande : 27.540 (#8 (5)(36))
                              - Autriche : 40.000 (#3 (9)(30))
                              - Suède : 150.000 (#1 x1(10)(51))
                              - Norvège : #5 (5)(36)

                              Estimation Mondiale : 16.100.000
                              Just a question for the USA sales isn't 5million a bit too much? or is that a shipment sale?

                              i mean around 2005-2006 i read that MG had scaned about 3.85m-4m in the usa ?

                              and for canada 1.2m ? hasn't it shipped 800,000 or is it out of date and is due for another award?

                              thanks
                              I'm mad fer it!

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                              • #65
                                I've noticed MJ Dangerous hasn't said where her gets his figures from. Most of the ones he gives are NOT official.

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                                • #66
                                  Originally posted by nelson
                                  Originally posted by johnnyboy
                                  how can you get 'inside knowledge' of sales from so many countries?
                                  That was made to public.
                                  Really? Can I have a link to an official source?

                                  No Evidence Presented, Case Dismissed!

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                                  • #67
                                    Originally posted by johnnyboy
                                    I've noticed MJ Dangerous hasn't said where her gets his figures from. Most of the ones he gives are NOT official.
                                    Who said they were ? I estimate most of them from certifications + known informations. I already explained it one zillion times in the forum. All figures are based on solid arguments.
                                    You should check infos more carefully, we can contradict your estimates in no time. For example, WTSMG was at 4m in UK+IR by late 1997.
                                    It was certified 6xP in Europe during the year 1997, so even assuming that the award came out at the end of the year (since it was 5xP in July 96, it was certainly over 6m by early/mid 97 already), this means that it sold at least 2m in Europe by 1997. No way it sold 2m by now.
                                    In Canada too, it sold 800k by mid97, it just can't be at 800k 11 years later.

                                    Doves, ALL figures are always about shipment. To think that we are estimating "real sales" is an utopy. WTSMG sold cleary a lot by music clubs. The album sold 2.6 million copies according to Soundscan in 96, in 95 it sold 200k at much (charted 3 months from #70 to #155), so by the end of 96, it sold 2.8 million according to soundscan. Consequently, it sold between 2.5m and 2.6m when it was certified 4xPlatinum in November 1996.

                                    By now, it is at least at 3.7m as far as I remember, so it sold well over 1m copies since it was certified 4xPlatinum. Five million exactly is a conservative estimate.
                                    25 June 2009, the day the Music died

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                                    • #68
                                      European, Music & Media, top 100 chart run for Morning Glory

                                      7 (NE Oct 21 ’95)-4-4-3-5-6-8-13-8 (1xP, Dec 16)-8-7-7-6 (2xP)-5-4-1-1-1 (5xP)-1-1-1 (down to 3xP)-1-2-3-5-5-5-8-7-7 (4xP, May 18 ‘96)-7-10-10-11-11-12-11-14-13-14 (5xP, Jul 27)-15-15-13-10-9-9-10-15-17-13-18-36-30-53-46-87-29-54-59-65-72 (Dec 21, 62 cwoc)-?-?-47-39 (66 cwoc, Jan 18 ’97)-41-66-68-91 (70 cwoc)-x (Mar 22 ’97)-68 (RE Mar 29, UK, Ire)-x-x-x-x-x-x-75 (RE May 17, UK, Ire)-x...(x12/13)-78 (RE Aug 23, UK, Ire & by now 6xP)-69-89-84-x (Sept 20...to end of ’97)...(78 woc, 7x1, 18 T.5, 36 T.10, 51 T.20, 57 T.50)

                                      YEC’s : ’95 41st, ’96 3rd

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                                      • #69
                                        Originally posted by MJDangerous
                                        Originally posted by johnnyboy
                                        I've noticed MJ Dangerous hasn't said where her gets his figures from. Most of the ones he gives are NOT official.
                                        Who said they were ? I estimate most of them from certifications + known informations. I already explained it one zillion times in the forum. All figures are based on solid arguments.
                                        You should check infos more carefully, we can contradict your estimates in no time. For example, WTSMG was at 4m in UK+IR by late 1997.
                                        It was certified 6xP in Europe during the year 1997, so even assuming that the award came out at the end of the year (since it was 5xP in July 96, it was certainly over 6m by early/mid 97 already), this means that it sold at least 2m in Europe by 1997. No way it sold 2m by now.
                                        In Canada too, it sold 800k by mid97, it just can't be at 800k 11 years later.

                                        Doves, ALL figures are always about shipment. To think that we are estimating "real sales" is an utopy. WTSMG sold cleary a lot by music clubs. The album sold 2.6 million copies according to Soundscan in 96, in 95 it sold 200k at much (charted 3 months from #70 to #155), so by the end of 96, it sold 2.8 million according to soundscan. Consequently, it sold between 2.5m and 2.6m when it was certified 4xPlatinum in November 1996.

                                        By now, it is at least at 3.7m as far as I remember, so it sold well over 1m copies since it was certified 4xPlatinum. Five million exactly is a conservative estimate.
                                        ok fair play...yes i know if it's shipment ok then ur figures look legitimate to what i can tell.
                                        I'm mad fer it!

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                                        • #70
                                          Originally posted by RollingBob
                                          European, Music & Media, top 100 chart run for Morning Glory

                                          7 (NE Oct 21 ’95)-4-4-3-5-6-8-13-8 (1xP, Dec 16)-8-7-7-6 (2xP)-5-4-1-1-1 (5xP)-1-1-1 (down to 3xP)-1-2-3-5-5-5-8-7-7 (4xP, May 18 ‘96)-7-10-10-11-11-12-11-14-13-14 (5xP, Jul 27)-15-15-13-10-9-9-10-15-17-13-18-36-30-53-46-87-29-54-59-65-72 (Dec 21, 62 cwoc)-?-?-47-39 (66 cwoc, Jan 18 ’97)-41-66-68-91 (70 cwoc)-x (Mar 22 ’97)-68 (RE Mar 29, UK, Ire)-x-x-x-x-x-x-75 (RE May 17, UK, Ire)-x...(x12/13)-78 (RE Aug 23, UK, Ire & by now 6xP)-69-89-84-x (Sept 20...to end of ’97)...(78 woc, 7x1, 18 T.5, 36 T.10, 51 T.20, 57 T.50)

                                          YEC’s : ’95 41st, ’96 3rd
                                          hi do is that MG chart run in europe? is there a link ? for this would like to see other oasis albums chart run thanks.
                                          I'm mad fer it!

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                                          • #71
                                            Originally posted by MJDangerous
                                            Originally posted by johnnyboy
                                            I've noticed MJ Dangerous hasn't said where her gets his figures from. Most of the ones he gives are NOT official.
                                            Who said they were ? I estimate most of them from certifications + known informations.
                                            Thanks for that explanation. We know now that the figures you quote are YOUR estimates. You should say that. People might not have read a thread where you explained this!

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                                            • #72
                                              i do know that oasis album sales have not been updated for sometime now.the uk sales must be higher than what people are sayin ,i remember way at its peak it had shifted over 3.5 mill copies an since then its been a strong seller an in 2005 the sales went up again by around 200 000,the sales of this album are huge,i know people say you shouldnt listen to noel when he states sales an stuff but he openly admits when an album has undersold.so i think hes tellin the truth when he said around 23 million had been sold,an dont forget this was a huge huge album.

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                                              • #73
                                                http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/art ... 1003820216

                                                "The album is the first in a new pact between the band's Big Brother imprint and Sony BMG, struck last week. It's the follow-up to 2005's "Don't Believe the Truth," which has sold 201,000 copies in the United States, according to Nielsen SoundScan."
                                                28 AUGUST 2009
                                                THE DAY MUSIC DIED
                                                OASIS 1994 - 2009
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                                                • #74
                                                  In the UK, today's 'Sun' says that Coldplay are
                                                  the first UK Act to Top the UK, & USA, Singles &
                                                  Albums Charts, in the same Week, since Rod Stewart
                                                  in 1971. That The Beatles, (twice in 1964), are
                                                  the only other UK Act to manage it - plus Davy
                                                  Jones, in 1966, as part of The Monkees. (He was British too).
                                                  Only about 7 Acts have managed it over all.

                                                  The reason I mention it in an OASIS Thread, is
                                                  because 'The Sun' also repeats the old nonsense
                                                  that, 'Oasis never made it in the USA'.

                                                  It is claimed many times by UK 'Papers - because
                                                  none of their Journalists do any research. They just
                                                  see that one UK Journalist said it several Years
                                                  ago, & then they copy off that - and each other
                                                  - even though their claim has no basis in reality.

                                                  Zeus555

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                                                  • #75
                                                    After Glastonbury 2008

                                                    "The star has helped Oasis's Wonderwall return to the charts after he mockingly opened his set with the 1995 single, mid-week figures also suggest.

                                                    Huge exposure

                                                    Jay-Z chose to cover an Oasis track after Noel Gallagher told the BBC that he was "wrong" for the three-day Somerset festival.

                                                    The original version has experienced a huge sales boost, with the single challenging for a place in the Top 100.

                                                    What's The Story (Morning Glory), the album it originally appeared on, has seen sales increase of over 200%, while their compilation Stop the Clocks has had a week on week increase of over 140%. "

                                                    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7484732.stm

                                                    THANKS JAY

                                                    YOUR WELCOME TO COVER OASIS ANY TIME
                                                    28 AUGUST 2009
                                                    THE DAY MUSIC DIED
                                                    OASIS 1994 - 2009
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