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  • #51
    I have these, correct me if some are wrong:

    Laundry Service:
    8x Platinum – India (160.000)
    6x Platinum – Australia (420.000)
    5x Platinum – Canada (500.000)
    5x Platinum – Spain (500.000)
    5x Platinum – Switzerland (200.000)
    5x Platinum – Venezuela (150.000)
    5x Platinum – Egypt (50.000)
    4x Platinum – Portugal (160.000)
    4x Platinum – Colombia (80.000)
    3x Platinum – USA (3.000.000)
    3x Platinum – Italy (300.000)
    3x Platinum – Finland (90.043)
    3x Platinum – New Zealand (45.000)
    2x Platinum – France (600.000)
    2x Platinum – UK (600.000)
    2x Platinum – Mexico (300.000)
    2x Platinum – Turkey (200.000)
    2x Platinum – Netherlands (140.000)
    2x Platinum – Sweden (120.000)
    2x Platinum – Austria (60.000)
    2x Platinum – Thailand (40.000)
    2x Platinum – Ecuador (30.000)
    1x Platinum – Belgium (50.000)
    1x Platinum – Denmark (40.000)
    1x Platinum – Norway (40.000)
    1x Platinum – Poland (40.000)
    1x Platinum – Hungary (30.000)
    1x Platinum – Indonesia (25.000)
    1x Platinum – Chile (20.000)
    1x Platinum – Greece (20.000)
    1x Platinum – Taiwan (20.000)
    1x Platinum – Singapore (20.000)
    5x Gold – Germany (500.000)
    5x Gold – Argentina (100.000)
    1x Gold – Japan (100.000)
    1x Gold – Brazil (50.000)
    1x Gold – Hong Kong (25.000)
    1x Gold – Malaysia (25.000)
    1x Gold – South Africa (25.000)
    1x Gold – Philippines (15.000)
    1x Gold – Peru (10.000)
    1x Gold – Czech Republic (5.000)
    1x Gold – Uruguay (3.000)

    Fijación Oral Vol.1:
    11x Platinum – Colombia (220.000)
    5x Platinum – Venezuela (100.000)
    4x Platinum Latino – USA (800.000)
    3x Platinum – Mexico (300.000)
    3x Platinum – Spain (300.000)
    3x Platinum – Argentina (120.000)
    1x Platinum – Germany (200.000)
    1x Platinum – Netherlands (70.000)
    1x Platinum – Switzerland (40.000)
    1x Platinum – Austria (20.000)
    1x Platinum – Hungary (20.000)
    1x Platinum – Russia (20.000)
    1x Platinum – Ecuador (10.000)
    3x Gold – Chile (22.500)
    1x Gold Standard – USA (500.000
    1x Gold – France (100.000)
    1x Gold – Brazil (50.000)
    1x Gold – Italy (40.000)
    1x Gold – Belgium (25.000)
    1x Gold – Portugal (10.000)
    1x Gold – Greece (10.000)

    Oral Fixation Vol.2:
    4x Platinum – India (80.000)
    2x Platinum – Canada (200.000)
    2x Platinum – Ireland (30.000)
    1x Platinum – USA (1.000.000)
    1x Platinum – UK (300.000)
    1x Platinum – France (200.000)
    1x Platinum – Italy (80.000)
    1x Platinum – Spain (80.000)
    1x Platinum – Netherlands (70.000)
    1x Platinum – Norway (40.000)
    1x Platinum – Switzerland (30.000)
    1x Platinum – Austria (20.000)
    1x Platinum – Portugal (20.000)
    1x Platinum – Colombia (20.000)
    1x Platinum – Greece (20.000)
    1x Platinum – Hungary (20.000)
    1x Platinum – Russia (20.000)
    3x Gold – Germany (300.000)
    3x Gold – Mexico (150.000)
    3x Gold – Argentina (60.000)
    1x Gold – Australia (35.000)
    1x Gold – Sweden (30.000)
    1x Gold – Belgium (25.000)
    1x Gold – Denmark (20.000)
    1x Gold – Finland (15.085)
    1x Gold – Chile (7.500)

    Donde Estan Los Ladrones:
    7x Platinum – Argentina (420.000)
    4x Platinum – Colombia (80.000)
    4x Platinum – Venezuela (80.000)
    2x Platinum – Mexico (500.000)
    2x Platinum – Uruguay (12.000)
    1x Platinum – USA (1.000.000)
    1x Platinum – Spain (100.000)
    [/b]

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    • #52
      Originally posted by Cool
      UK
      Whenever Wherever: 606,000 (Platinum )

      Denmark
      Laundry Service: 80,000

      Norway
      Laundry Service: 110,000

      Portugal
      Laundry Service: 170,000

      Finland
      Fijacion Oral Vol. 1: 10,000

      Spain
      Fijacion Oral Vol. 1: 250,000 (3x Platinum)
      MTV Unplugged (Dvd): 10,000 (Gold)

      Portugal
      MTV Unplugged (Dvd): ? (Gold)

      Germany
      Whenever Wherever: 770,000 (only 3 months)
      you're cool to give me these numbers, but I really want to see links...and not just any links, reliable and official links..

      @ MJ, 450,000 is really high I know, but Carlos Vives, back in the mid 90s sold an excess amount of 1,000,000 copies of his album and to date is the best-selling album in Colombia. Lets not forget that Platinum = 50,000, so receiving a 9x Platinum Award was probable. And Colombia's acts really sell well. Juanes received a Diamond Award = 200,000 for Mi Sangre, that would have been, over 500,000 back in the 90s.

      @ Jim, some of your numbers are outdated and you're only couting by certifications..not real sales
      ~Gaga~~~Xtina~~~P!nk~~~Dido~~~Shakira~~~Beyonce~~~Gwen Stefani~~

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      • #53
        Originally posted by hello
        Originally posted by Cool
        UK
        Whenever Wherever: 606,000 (Platinum )

        Denmark
        Laundry Service: 80,000

        Norway
        Laundry Service: 110,000

        Portugal
        Laundry Service: 170,000

        Finland
        Fijacion Oral Vol. 1: 10,000

        Spain
        Fijacion Oral Vol. 1: 250,000 (3x Platinum)
        MTV Unplugged (Dvd): 10,000 (Gold)

        Portugal
        MTV Unplugged (Dvd): ? (Gold)

        Germany
        Whenever Wherever: 770,000 (only 3 months)
        you're cool to give me these numbers, but I really want to see links...and not just any links, reliable and official links..

        @ MJ, 450,000 is really high I know, but Carlos Vives, back in the mid 90s sold an excess amount of 1,000,000 copies of his album and to date is the best-selling album in Colombia. Lets not forget that Platinum = 50,000, so receiving a 9x Platinum Award was probable. And Colombia's acts really sell well. Juanes received a Diamond Award = 200,000 for Mi Sangre, that would have been, over 500,000 back in the 90s.

        @ Jim, some of your numbers are outdated and you're only couting by certifications..not real sales
        Local acts in Colombia sell really well, for example La Vida es un Ratico was just certified 4xP (+80.000) and the albums has been out for 6 months. Diomedez Días has sold more than 15M copies only in Colombia. Carlos Vives 4.5M. Los Hermanos Zuleta 7M. La Sonora Matancera 4M. Juanes 2M. Shakira 4M. international acts don't sell that well.
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        • #54
          Originally posted by cesarc1989

          Local acts in Colombia sell really well, for example La Vida es un Ratico was just certified 4xP (+80.000) and the albums has been out for 6 months. Diomedez Días has sold more than 15M copies only in Colombia. Carlos Vives 4.5M. Los Hermanos Zuleta 7M. La Sonora Matancera 4M. Juanes 2M. Shakira 4M. international acts don't sell that well.
          OK, so can we get official links for all these million sellers please and I beleive La Vida es un Ratico also sold 200,000 giving him a Dimond Award
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          • #55
            Originally posted by hello
            Originally posted by cesarc1989

            Local acts in Colombia sell really well, for example La Vida es un Ratico was just certified 4xP (+80.000) and the albums has been out for 6 months. Diomedez Días has sold more than 15M copies only in Colombia. Carlos Vives 4.5M. Los Hermanos Zuleta 7M. La Sonora Matancera 4M. Juanes 2M. Shakira 4M. international acts don't sell that well.
            OK, so can we get official links for all these million sellers please and I beleive La Vida es un Ratico also sold 200,000 giving him a Dimond Award
            You remember the concert that Juanes did in the border with Venezuela. In the show Sayco give him the award 4xP for la Vida es un Ratico. the month after the concert the album sold really well, but I didn't know that the album has sold 200.000
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            • #56
              Originally posted by cesarc1989
              You remember the concert that Juanes did in the border with Venezuela. In the show Sayco give him the award 4xP for la Vida es un Ratico. the month after the concert the album sold really well, but I didn't know that the album has sold 200.000
              I don't follow his career sorry, but yeah he did receive it

              Code:
              El cantautor colombiano Juanes alcanzó disco de diamante en Colombia por su nuevo álbum "La vida es un ratico".
              http://www3.terra.com.co/musica/articul ... us2724.htm
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              • #57
                Originally posted by hello
                Originally posted by cesarc1989
                You remember the concert that Juanes did in the border with Venezuela. In the show Sayco give him the award 4xP for la Vida es un Ratico. the month after the concert the album sold really well, but I didn't know that the album has sold 200.000
                I don't follow his career sorry, but yeah he did receive it

                Code:
                El cantautor colombiano Juanes alcanzó disco de diamante en Colombia por su nuevo álbum "La vida es un ratico".
                http://www3.terra.com.co/musica/articul ... us2724.htm
                Thank You!, great information
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                • #58
                  You're Welcome Great info you just provided me with there Cesar...
                  ~Gaga~~~Xtina~~~P!nk~~~Dido~~~Shakira~~~Beyonce~~~Gwen Stefani~~

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                  • #59
                    Originally posted by hello
                    @ MJ, 450,000 is really high I know, but Carlos Vives, back in the mid 90s sold an excess amount of 1,000,000 copies of his album and to date is the best-selling album in Colombia. Lets not forget that Platinum = 50,000, so receiving a 9x Platinum Award was probable. And Colombia's acts really sell well. Juanes received a Diamond Award = 200,000 for Mi Sangre, that would have been, over 500,000 back in the 90s.
                    Remember that big sellers still big sellers regardingless of the period or the market size. Thriller sold 60m being released when the market was on a huge crisis, Laundry Service sold only 12m to be the best selling album of 2001, the biggest year ever for the music market. This shows how irrevelant the market declines/climbs are when we talk about best sellers.

                    I still have see none accurate link about those supposed sales for Shakira or Carlos Vives. I don't say those sales are not true, but I haven't got a single evidence of it being true.

                    The link quoting the figure of 450k for Pies Descalzos can't be considered as accurate since out of the 3 figures on it that we can verify, 2 are inflated (by 100%+).

                    I have also never see an official chart of Colombia.
                    25 June 2009, the day the Music died

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                    • #60
                      Originally posted by MJDangerous
                      Originally posted by hello
                      @ MJ, 450,000 is really high I know, but Carlos Vives, back in the mid 90s sold an excess amount of 1,000,000 copies of his album and to date is the best-selling album in Colombia. Lets not forget that Platinum = 50,000, so receiving a 9x Platinum Award was probable. And Colombia's acts really sell well. Juanes received a Diamond Award = 200,000 for Mi Sangre, that would have been, over 500,000 back in the 90s.
                      Remember that big sellers still big sellers regardingless of the period or the market size. Thriller sold 60m being released when the market was on a huge crisis, Laundry Service sold only 12m to be the best selling album of 2001, the biggest year ever for the music market. This shows how irrevelant the market declines/climbs are when we talk about best sellers.

                      I still have see none accurate link about those supposed sales for Shakira or Carlos Vives. I don't say those sales are not true, but I haven't got a single evidence of it being true.

                      The link quoting the figure of 450k for Pies Descalzos can't be considered as accurate since out of the 3 figures on it that we can verify, 2 are inflated (by 100%+).

                      I have also never see an official chart of Colombia.
                      The link is from a politics magazine, they focus on Colombia, they don't care about the other countries. I would trust the source for Colombia because is huge and very serious with its sources. Probably Sony Colombia gave the information wrong for the other countries. But several times on TV, news, journal describes the sucess of Shakira here. The web page that shows the singles chart for Colombia used to post the top 200 for albums, the web page hasn't published information about albums since january; but El Tiempo and El Colombiano journal give that information every sunday. The links about the artists (if you speak spanish, you will understand): Diomedes Diaz has sold more than 13M copies in Colombia http://www.estereofonica.com/article.php?sid=911.
                      Escalona (from "Escalona" soap opera) is the most sold album in Colombia ever: http://www.colombialink.com/01_INDEX/in ... vives.html
                      http://www.laboratoriocultural.org/revi ... hp?sid=397
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                      • #61
                        You should be careful with such links. In France, if you read articles, you will see that Johnny Hallyday sold over 100 million albums. Everybody believes it, they say it on every TV show etc... Then we started to get real informations, and the fact is that he sold at most 35 million.

                        In this link about Diaz we read :

                        En su carrera artística, Diomedes Díaz ha vendido más de 13 millones de copias, cifra que le ha servido para convertirlo en el artista más vendedor en toda la historia discográfica del país. 29 álbumes inéditos y varias compilaciones de éxitos le ha otorgado, 22 discos de Oro, 24 Discos de Platino, 1 Disco Cuádruplo Platino, 3 Discos Quíntuplo Platino, 1 Disco Séxtuplo Platino y 1 Disco de Diamante por ventas superiores al millón de copias

                        First, Diamond is 500k not 1 million (well, Diamond award doesn't even really exist in Colombia). Then adding all certifications counting the highest possible level of awards :
                        22 Oro - 22x25 = 550k
                        24 Plat - 24x50 = 1200k
                        1 4xP = 200k
                        3 5xP = 750k
                        1 6xP = 300k
                        1 D = 500k

                        Total : 550 + 1200 + 200 + 750 + 300 + 500 = 3500k. How has Diaz sold 13 million ? Certifications are up to only 3.5 million.

                        Those articles are almost never correct, especially when the information is impossible to verify in the concerned country.
                        25 June 2009, the day the Music died

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                        • #62
                          Originally posted by MJDangerous
                          You should be careful with such links. In France, if you read articles, you will see that Johnny Hallyday sold over 100 million albums. Everybody believes it, they say it on every TV show etc... Then we started to get real informations, and the fact is that he sold at most 35 million.

                          In this link about Diaz we read :

                          En su carrera artística, Diomedes Díaz ha vendido más de 13 millones de copias, cifra que le ha servido para convertirlo en el artista más vendedor en toda la historia discográfica del país. 29 álbumes inéditos y varias compilaciones de éxitos le ha otorgado, 22 discos de Oro, 24 Discos de Platino, 1 Disco Cuádruplo Platino, 3 Discos Quíntuplo Platino, 1 Disco Séxtuplo Platino y 1 Disco de Diamante por ventas superiores al millón de copias

                          First, Diamond is 500k not 1 million (well, Diamond award doesn't even really exist in Colombia). Then adding all certifications counting the highest possible level of awards :
                          22 Oro - 22x25 = 550k
                          24 Plat - 24x50 = 1200k
                          1 4xP = 200k
                          3 5xP = 750k
                          1 6xP = 300k
                          1 D = 500k

                          Total : 550 + 1200 + 200 + 750 + 300 + 500 = 3500k. How has Diaz sold 13 million ? Certifications are up to only 3.5 million.

                          Those articles are almost never correct, especially when the information is impossible to verify in the concerned country.
                          Before 2000: Gold=30.000, Platinum=60.000, and much of his works if from the 80's and 90's. In the 00's he hasn't done that much because he has been sick for the last 7 years. Diamond acording to you doesn't exist, but it really does. It hasn't represent an amount of copies, Syco gives it in some point for not giving more certifications when the album sales still are healthy over the years
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                          • #63
                            Those certifications for local acts
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                            • #64
                              Cesar please make those links smaller...
                              ~Gaga~~~Xtina~~~P!nk~~~Dido~~~Shakira~~~Beyonce~~~Gwen Stefani~~

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                              • #65
                                Originally posted by hello
                                Cesar please make those links smaller...
                                Don't be mean. I don't know how
                                I Bet You Can't Do It Like Me, Like Me ...

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                                • #66
                                  Originally posted by cesarc1989
                                  Originally posted by hello
                                  Cesar please make those links smaller...
                                  Don't be mean. I don't know how
                                  lol, Im not being mean..just giving you a suggestion
                                  like this

                                  http://www.laboratoriocultural.org/revista/academia/
                                  recursos/investigacion/vallenatomexico.htmhttp://
                                  www.estereofonica.com/article.php?sid=397
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                                  • #67
                                    Originally posted by hello
                                    Originally posted by cesarc1989
                                    Originally posted by hello
                                    Cesar please make those links smaller...
                                    Don't be mean. I don't know how
                                    lol, Im not being mean..just giving you a suggestion
                                    like this

                                    http://www.laboratoriocultural.org/revista/academia/
                                    recursos/investigacion/vallenatomexico.htmhttp://
                                    www.estereofonica.com/article.php?sid=397
                                    I won't post link again :-?
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                                    • #68
                                      Originally posted by cesarc1989
                                      Originally posted by hello
                                      Originally posted by cesarc1989
                                      Originally posted by hello
                                      Cesar please make those links smaller...
                                      Don't be mean. I don't know how
                                      lol, Im not being mean..just giving you a suggestion
                                      like this

                                      http://www.laboratoriocultural.org/revista/academia/
                                      recursos/investigacion/vallenatomexico.htmhttp://
                                      www.estereofonica.com/article.php?sid=397
                                      I won't post link again :-?
                                      lol, is ok, nevermind
                                      ~Gaga~~~Xtina~~~P!nk~~~Dido~~~Shakira~~~Beyonce~~~Gwen Stefani~~

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                                      • #69
                                        Originally posted by cesarc1989
                                        Before 2000: Gold=30.000, Platinum=60.000, and much of his works if from the 80's and 90's. In the 00's he hasn't done that much because he has been sick for the last 7 years. Diamond acording to you doesn't exist, but it really does. It hasn't represent an amount of copies, Syco gives it in some point for not giving more certifications when the album sales still are healthy over the years
                                        It doesn't change much of the total, still around 4m. Even if it sold almost the next certification each time, that's 8 million at most.
                                        Also, the sources quoted look more like a fan site that a definitive accurate site.

                                        When we check real infos from labels, awards are always pretty low for Columbia. Worldwide blockbusters are barely Gold, Platinum when they are lucky. Even Spanish blockbusters have sales relatively week in Colombia ('Mas' only 100k, Miguel Bose or Luis Miguel sales are truly unimpressive as well). The Gold and Platinum status is always reached on more time than in Mexico for example, and albums aren't 9xPlatinum or more in Mexico.
                                        25 June 2009, the day the Music died

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                                        • #70
                                          Originally posted by cesarc1989
                                          Originally posted by hello
                                          Originally posted by cesarc1989
                                          Originally posted by hello
                                          Cesar please make those links smaller...
                                          Don't be mean. I don't know how
                                          lol, Im not being mean..just giving you a suggestion
                                          like this

                                          http://www.laboratoriocultural.org/revista/academia/
                                          recursos/investigacion/vallenatomexico.htmhttp://
                                          www.estereofonica.com/article.php?sid=397
                                          I won't post link again :-?
                                          lol, is ok, nevermind
                                          ~Gaga~~~Xtina~~~P!nk~~~Dido~~~Shakira~~~Beyonce~~~Gwen Stefani~~

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                                          • #71
                                            Let's keep on topic though
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                                            • #72
                                              There used to be a plaque for Laundry Service where she had platinum and gold awards for many countries in just that on plaque..does anybody have it (The pixture I mean)
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                                              • #73
                                                Originally posted by MJDangerous
                                                Originally posted by cesarc1989
                                                Before 2000: Gold=30.000, Platinum=60.000, and much of his works if from the 80's and 90's. In the 00's he hasn't done that much because he has been sick for the last 7 years. Diamond acording to you doesn't exist, but it really does. It hasn't represent an amount of copies, Syco gives it in some point for not giving more certifications when the album sales still are healthy over the years
                                                It doesn't change much of the total, still around 4m. Even if it sold almost the next certification each time, that's 8 million at most.
                                                Also, the sources quoted look more like a fan site that a definitive accurate site.

                                                When we check real infos from labels, awards are always pretty low for Columbia. Worldwide blockbusters are barely Gold, Platinum when they are lucky. Even Spanish blockbusters have sales relatively week in Colombia ('Mas' only 100k, Miguel Bose or Luis Miguel sales are truly unimpressive as well). The Gold and Platinum status is always reached on more time than in Mexico for example, and albums aren't 9xPlatinum or more in Mexico.

                                                you are mixing up though...FO went 11x Platinum and in other countries, there are lots of 10x Platinum + albums
                                                ~Gaga~~~Xtina~~~P!nk~~~Dido~~~Shakira~~~Beyonce~~~Gwen Stefani~~

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                                                • #74
                                                  Originally posted by MJDangerous
                                                  You should be careful with such links. In France, if you read articles, you will see that Johnny Hallyday sold over 100 million albums. Everybody believes it, they say it on every TV show etc... Then we started to get real informations, and the fact is that he sold at most 35 million.

                                                  In this link about Diaz we read :

                                                  En su carrera artística, Diomedes Díaz ha vendido más de 13 millones de copias, cifra que le ha servido para convertirlo en el artista más vendedor en toda la historia discográfica del país. 29 álbumes inéditos y varias compilaciones de éxitos le ha otorgado, 22 discos de Oro, 24 Discos de Platino, 1 Disco Cuádruplo Platino, 3 Discos Quíntuplo Platino, 1 Disco Séxtuplo Platino y 1 Disco de Diamante por ventas superiores al millón de copias

                                                  First, Diamond is 500k not 1 million (well, Diamond award doesn't even really exist in Colombia). Then adding all certifications counting the highest possible level of awards :
                                                  22 Oro - 22x25 = 550k
                                                  24 Plat - 24x50 = 1200k
                                                  1 4xP = 200k
                                                  3 5xP = 750k
                                                  1 6xP = 300k
                                                  1 D = 500k

                                                  Total : 550 + 1200 + 200 + 750 + 300 + 500 = 3500k. How has Diaz sold 13 million ? Certifications are up to only 3.5 million.

                                                  Those articles are almost never correct, especially when the information is impossible to verify in the concerned country.
                                                  Do you have Thriller's Platinum and Gold awards???
                                                  ~Gaga~~~Xtina~~~P!nk~~~Dido~~~Shakira~~~Beyonce~~~Gwen Stefani~~

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                                                  • #75
                                                    Originally posted by Jim20
                                                    I have these, correct me if some are wrong:

                                                    Laundry Service:
                                                    4x Platinum – Colombia (80.000)
                                                    2x Platinum – Turkey (200.000)
                                                    2x Platinum – Netherlands (140.000)
                                                    2x Platinum – Thailand (40.000)
                                                    2x Platinum – Ecuador (30.000)
                                                    1x Platinum – Taiwan (20.000)
                                                    1x Platinum – Singapore (20.000)

                                                    Fijación Oral Vol.1:
                                                    1x Platinum – Netherlands (70.000)
                                                    1x Gold – Portugal (10.000)
                                                    1x Gold – Greece (10.000)

                                                    Oral Fixation Vol.2:
                                                    1x Platinum – Italy (80.000)
                                                    1x Platinum – Colombia (20.000)
                                                    1x Platinum – Russia (20.000)


                                                    Donde Estan Los Ladrones:
                                                    7x Platinum – Argentina (420.000)
                                                    4x Platinum – Venezuela (80.000)
                                                    2x Platinum – Mexico (500.000)
                                                    [/b]
                                                    these are not right..look at the index

                                                    sorry for all this spaming...this page looks so big, I want to go to the next one lol.
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