Cher :: Charts & Sales History

[edchercrew]

Thank you, Alfie..
Thus, IICTBT & Believe could be certified gold both only according to the digital sales. And, speaking about the real situation, IICTBT is now platinum & Believe is 2x platinum at least in the US

I'm not for inflated numbers, and I did say the CM estimates are questionable and was referring mainly to album sales.
According to the data I got from a reliable source, and will post them soon, the CM sales of some of the newer albums are higher that they should be, on the other hand the older albums are much lower then what they really sold...

ALSO, for the ones posting outdated numbers, here's the most recent report of Cher's digital sales in the US:

36,546, "We All Sleep Alone" (updated 7/3/13)
487,395, "If I Could Turn Back Time" (updated 7/3/13)
161,184, "Just Like Jesse James" (updated 7/3/13)
273,058, "After All" (with Peter Cetera) (updated 7/3/13)
130,674, "I Found Someone" (updated 7/3/13)
538,912, "Believe" (updated 7/3/13) ------ sold 160,000 in less than 2 years since the 2011 update
105,746, "Strong Enough" (updated 7/3/13)
120,900 , "(This Is) A Song For the Lonely" (updated 7/3/13)
172,465, "You Haven't Seen The Last of Me" (updated 7/3/13) ------it's at 200,000 on my list on the previous page, so it's definitely a bit more by now
43,147, "Woman's World" (updated 7/11/13)

[88marcus88]

MJD answered some of you in the chartmasters website:

MJD says:
September 5, 2017 at 12:34 am

Re: UKmix’ discussion about the accuracy of figures

I was directed to that thread in order to check the relevance of some posters there. A couple of highly uneducated persons have been claiming that Believe album sold only 3,6 million units in the US and that it wasn’t available at Columbia House.

First, it must be said that 3,6 million refers to Soundscan sales only – same for 600,000 of Living Proof. It means that Club sales are unaccounted for from this number.
Second, Believe was obviously available at Columbia House. It wasn’t only available – it was there as early as by April 1999 when the album was peaking inside the BB200 (https://books.google.fr/books?id=_NX...her&f=false%20). Over the next promotion campaign of the Club on SPIN magazine, it was appearing as the 3rd pictured album, showing it was selling great volumes there. https://books.google.fr/books?id=I5x...elieve&f=false
Third, the album went 4xPlatinum in December 1999. It climbed over Platinum awards steadily (February, April, July, December) and was out of the BB200 Top 100 and decelerating its pace of sales when it managed to hit 4xPlatinum. Thus, with the album selling 10,000 copies a week and an era clearly ending, it is highly delusional to expect a heavy number of additional shipments being sent / unsold by then.
Fourth, the album was up to less than 2,9 million copies scanned when it went 4xPlatinum. Considering facts from point 3, it means the album moved roughly 1 million units on clubs by then. It sold an additional 700,000 plus copies as per Soundscan since then plus it continued to sell on Clubs too which brings the total to 4 million (by 12/1999, RIAA), minus 100,000 unsold units by then (estimate as per pace of sales), plus 700,000 (Soundscan 2000-now), plus 100,000 (Clubs 2000-now), e.g. to 4,7 million.

May I remind how fundamental it is to cross-check every available information and understand it correctly before doing estimates. Randomly checking one raw data doesn’t provide comprehensive and valid conclusions. US sales of the Believe album is just one example, the exercice should be applied to each and every record in each and every market.

[edchercrew]

THANK YOU SOOO MUCH!
Standing ovation!

MJD answered some of you in the chartmasters website:

MJD says:
September 5, 2017 at 12:34 am

Re: UKmix’ discussion about the accuracy of figures

I was directed to that thread in order to check the relevance of some posters there. A couple of highly uneducated persons have been claiming that Believe album sold only 3,6 million units in the US and that it wasn’t available at Columbia House.

First, it must be said that 3,6 million refers to Soundscan sales only – same for 600,000 of Living Proof. It means that Club sales are unaccounted for from this number.
Second, Believe was obviously available at Columbia House. It wasn’t only available – it was there as early as by April 1999 when the album was peaking inside the BB200 (https://books.google.fr/books?id=_NX...her&f=false%20). Over the next promotion campaign of the Club on SPIN magazine, it was appearing as the 3rd pictured album, showing it was selling great volumes there. https://books.google.fr/books?id=I5x...elieve&f=false
Third, the album went 4xPlatinum in December 1999. It climbed over Platinum awards steadily (February, April, July, December) and was out of the BB200 Top 100 and decelerating its pace of sales when it managed to hit 4xPlatinum. Thus, with the album selling 10,000 copies a week and an era clearly ending, it is highly delusional to expect a heavy number of additional shipments being sent / unsold by then.
Fourth, the album was up to less than 2,9 million copies scanned when it went 4xPlatinum. Considering facts from point 3, it means the album moved roughly 1 million units on clubs by then. It sold an additional 700,000 plus copies as per Soundscan since then plus it continued to sell on Clubs too which brings the total to 4 million (by 12/1999, RIAA), minus 100,000 unsold units by then (estimate as per pace of sales), plus 700,000 (Soundscan 2000-now), plus 100,000 (Clubs 2000-now), e.g. to 4,7 million.

May I remind how fundamental it is to cross-check every available information and understand it correctly before doing estimates. Randomly checking one raw data doesn’t provide comprehensive and valid conclusions. US sales of the Believe album is just one example, the exercice should be applied to each and every record in each and every market.

[alfiebot]

Thanks to MJD for clarifying the process of the correct analysis!!!

That's really helpful, I was wondering how the CM guys got to their sale results. Which is why I think some records, 60s and 70s albums/singles in particular, are a bit under-estimated as it is maybe harder to do the research for such old records?

Anyway, it just goes to show how some people here are ready to discredit other people's research without doing any of their own, as they're just willing to put other artists (especially female) down so they'd feel better about themselves (!?).

[alfiebot]

Thank you, Alfie..
Thus, IICTBT & Believe could be certified gold both only according to the digital sales. And, speaking about the real situation, IICTBT is now platinum & Believe is 2x platinum at least in the US.

Definitely, Believe could easily be 3xPlatinum and If I could Turn Back Time Platinum, and she has a ton of singles missing a Gold cert.

But again, many of Cher's records are uncertified and under-certified, guess that's why it's harder for some to believe that they were actually very good sellers!

It also doesn't help that her label(s) and management and Cher herself don't care about that stuff, but tbh she's a legend already and doesn't need any kind of 'certification' to confirm it .

[edchercrew]

And you're absolutely right

Thank you, Alfie..
Thus, IICTBT & Believe could be certified gold both only according to the digital sales. And, speaking about the real situation, IICTBT is now platinum & Believe is 2x platinum at least in the US.

Definitely, Believe could easily be 3xPlatinum and If I could Turn Back Time Platinum, and she has a ton of singles missing a Gold cert.

But again, many of Cher's records are uncertified and under-certified, guess that's why it's harder for some to believe that they were actually very good sellers!

It also doesn't help that her label(s) and management and Cher herself don't care about that stuff, but tbh she's a legend already and doesn't need any kind of 'certification' to confirm it .

[StephenN17]

It's not 3.6M of sales. It's 4M, cause of 4x platinum certification by RIAA alone.
Thus, it's more than real that it's 4.4 - 4.5M now (4M certified + some noncertified sales)
please stop discrediting Cher's sales & all.

Plus Believe is at 3.6 million in the US, so 4.7 million is a big jump.

I'm one of Cher's biggest supporters on here so don't tell me to stop discrediting sales! There's quite a few international sales figures on that website which are wrong, especially sales in the UK and Australia. For example they have Heart of Stone as selling 750k and 250k in the UK and Germany when really it's more like 550k and 100k. It's a Man's World sold a maximum of 150k in the UK but they have it at 225k and selling 480k in Europe when it's more likely that it's at 250k. I would love all the sales that they've reported to be true, but the sales for the albums Cher, HOS and IAMW are too high.

[edchercrew]

Sorry if i hurt you. All I wanted to say is.. people are faster to agree on the low sales of Cher's records, than to find a proof of the high ones be true.

It's not 3.6M of sales. It's 4M, cause of 4x platinum certification by RIAA alone.
Thus, it's more than real that it's 4.4 - 4.5M now (4M certified + some noncertified sales)
please stop discrediting Cher's sales & all.

Plus Believe is at 3.6 million in the US, so 4.7 million is a big jump.

I'm one of Cher's biggest supporters on here so don't tell me to stop discrediting sales! There's quite a few international sales figures on that website which are wrong, especially sales in the UK and Australia. For example they have Heart of Stone as selling 750k and 250k in the UK and Germany when really it's more like 550k and 100k. It's a Man's World sold a maximum of 150k in the UK but they have it at 225k and selling 480k in Europe when it's more likely that it's at 250k. I would love all the sales that they've reported to be true, but the sales for the albums Cher, HOS and IAMW are too high.

[88marcus88]

It's not 3.6M of sales. It's 4M, cause of 4x platinum certification by RIAA alone.
Thus, it's more than real that it's 4.4 - 4.5M now (4M certified + some noncertified sales)
please stop discrediting Cher's sales & all.

Plus Believe is at 3.6 million in the US, so 4.7 million is a big jump.

I'm one of Cher's biggest supporters on here so don't tell me to stop discrediting sales! There's quite a few international sales figures on that website which are wrong, especially sales in the UK and Australia. For example they have Heart of Stone as selling 750k and 250k in the UK and Germany when really it's more like 550k and 100k. It's a Man's World sold a maximum of 150k in the UK but they have it at 225k and selling 480k in Europe when it's more likely that it's at 250k. I would love all the sales that they've reported to be true, but the sales for the albums Cher, HOS and IAMW are too high.

They should have a good reason to include sales higher than your estimates. You can leave a question there asking about that. Surely they will explain

[alfiebot]

It's not 3.6M of sales. It's 4M, cause of 4x platinum certification by RIAA alone.
Thus, it's more than real that it's 4.4 - 4.5M now (4M certified + some noncertified sales)
please stop discrediting Cher's sales & all.

Plus Believe is at 3.6 million in the US, so 4.7 million is a big jump.

I'm one of Cher's biggest supporters on here so don't tell me to stop discrediting sales! There's quite a few international sales figures on that website which are wrong, especially sales in the UK and Australia. For example they have Heart of Stone as selling 750k and 250k in the UK and Germany when really it's more like 550k and 100k. It's a Man's World sold a maximum of 150k in the UK but they have it at 225k and selling 480k in Europe when it's more likely that it's at 250k. I would love all the sales that they've reported to be true, but the sales for the albums Cher, HOS and IAMW are too high.

They should have a good reason to include sales higher than your estimates. You can leave a question there asking about that. Surely they will explain

+1
I mean, if we didn't get the SS numbers of YHSTLOM, for example, people would be saying it sold 0 copies, when in fact it sold 200,000! Same goes for all of her records, for example the random compilation Gold was released in 2005 and sold 90,000 in the US by 2010, but it never charted and so we would've never known its sales if it wasn't reported, and again people would claim it didn't sell any copies...

[edchercrew]

^

It absolutely is this way!
E.g. Cher's We All Sleep Alone charted in Billboard Hot 100 top 20 - we get no info about sales. Cher's I Found Someone charted within top 10! in Bollboard Hot 100 - still we get no certification, no info about its sales. And it doesn't mean they sold 0 copies, lol.. since they charted that high.

[alfiebot]

Swedish DVD album chart:

#20 CHER - LIVE IN LAS VEGAS 1999 / 23 weeks

http://www.sverigetopplistan.se

[edchercrew]

Swedish DVD album chart:

#20 CHER - LIVE IN LAS VEGAS 1999 / 23 weeks

http://www.sverigetopplistan.se

BTW, what are her cutrrent positions on Spotify & iTuens?

[alfiebot]

Current iTunes pos:

Singles:
If I could Turn Back Time
#97 Denmark

Believe
#156 Brazil
#195 France


Albums:
Closer to the Truth
#19 Nicaragua

Believe
#107 Belize

[alfiebot]

On Spotify, she has about 2,3 million monthly listeners, so her numbers there are fine, especially comparing to other divas of her generation. I mean, it's totally unrealistic to expect the 60s and 70s divas to have the same numbers as the more current singers.

Anyway, she said she's been working on many projects but nothing has been announced yet so I really hope we'll get some news soon!

[edchercrew]

On Spotify, she has about 2,3 million monthly listeners, so her numbers there are fine, especially comparing to other divas of her generation. I mean, it's totally unrealistic to expect the 60s and 70s divas to have the same numbers as the more current singers.

Anyway, she said she's been working on many projects but nothing has been announced yet so I really hope we'll get some news soon!

Thank you=)
Well, some rumors say we gotta expect something on September 11.
Who knows.. we'll see.

[alfiebot]

Cher's song from 'Home: Adventures with Tip & Oh' got released on iTunes

[alfiebot]

Ooga Boo
#41 Colombia
#110 New Zealand

[edchercrew]

Ooga Boo

#191 in Spain

[edchercrew]

Ooga Boo

iTunes:
#188 Brazil

[edchercrew]

Ooga Boo

iTunes:
#138 Brazil

[edchercrew]

Ooga Boo

iTunes:
#103 Brazil

http://kworb.net/itunes/artist/cher.html

[alfiebot]

US iTunes soundtrack songs:

#54 Ooga Boo

Still can't get over the fact she recorded a song called ''Ooga Boo'' which is actually a bop!

[alfiebot]

Apparently, Cher had no idea they were gonna release Ooga Boo lol!

[edchercrew]

iTunes:

Gypsies, Tramps and Thieves
#142 in Ireland