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  • #31
    Your posts are false. That's why you're getting 'rude' responses. Would you like to break down any of your figures?

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    • #32
      Originally posted by jayrock
      The BPI has changed over the past decade. When Belive was released Platinum was for sales of 300k (300k x 5= 1.5 million)
      Believe was certified 2xPlatinum (+1,2 million) in UK on Friday 8th January 1999.
      http://www.bpi.co.uk/certifiedawards/search.aspx

      My previous posts are not false, and I find that some of your comments are rude, and uncalled for. I have been in touch with a lot of Cher biographers and people who were apart of her career. I'm currently writing a biography of Cher, and I thought since people were asking for this information I was willing enough to post it, and help answer some questions.
      This is a serious chart analysis forum, we don't take fake claims as truths.

      Believe has not sold 12 million and some other sales you posted are also completely false.
      The Shoop shoop song +6 million? ARe you joking? It peaked at 33 in US and it's Gold in UK. If it had sold that much it would have been the best selling single of 1990-1991 easily.

      The claim of 20 million for Believe album is even more ridiculous...

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      • #33
        the sales numbers are include sales since the release and charting of the single to current downloads so they appear to be extremely high.

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        • #34
          Also, I'm sorry, but I made a mistake. Belive is certified 3x Platinum in the UK, not 5.

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          • #35
            Once Again: Belive is 2xPlatinum in UK
            Search here: http://www.bpi.co.uk/certifiedawards/search.aspx

            Originally posted by jayrock
            the sales numbers are include sales since the release and charting of the single to current downloads so they appear to be extremely high.
            No they are clearly fake...
            Even adding digital downloads.

            Where did you find them? I'd like to know your source...
            Or did you estimate them?

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            • #36
              I'm sorry but my sources cannot be found on the internet. I have colleagues throughout the music business, and they work for Neilsen, Billboard, and a few major record labels including Reprise, Warner Brothers, and Geffen Records. You also need to remember charts were not based on sales prior to 1992 (in America at least); therefore there are no exact numbers of the total sales for albums and singles. But the site where I did retrieve the information about Believe being certified 3x platinum is the UKtop75 site.

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              • #37
                I'm sorry but my sources cannot be found on the internet. I have colleagues throughout the music business, and they work for Neilsen, Billboard, and a few major record labels including Reprise, Warner Brothers, and Geffen Records. You also need to remember charts were not based on sales prior to 1992 (in America at least); therefore there are no exact numbers of the total sales for albums and singles. But the site where I did retrieve the information about Believe being certified 3x platinum is the UKtop75 site.

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                • #38
                  Belive certifications (bracket numbers are shipments so far, not sales)

                  Argentina- Double Platinum (80,000)
                  Australia- Double Platinum (140,000)
                  Austria- Double Platinum (40,000)
                  Belgium- Platinum (30,000)
                  Brazil- Platinum (60,000)
                  Canada- Septuple Platinum (700,000)
                  Chile- Gold (7,500)
                  Colombia- Gold (5,000)
                  Czech Republic- Gold (3,000)
                  Denmark- Quintuple Platinum (150,000)
                  Europe- Quintuple Platinum (5 million)
                  Finland- Gold (10,000)
                  France- Double Platinum (600,000)
                  Germany- Double Platinum (400,000)
                  Greece- Gold (7,500)
                  Hong Kong- Gold (7,500)
                  Hungary- Platinum (6,000)
                  Indonesia- Platinum (40,000)
                  Ireland- Triple Platinum (45,000)
                  Israel- Gold (20,000)
                  Italy- Triple Platinum (210,000)
                  Japan- Gold (100,000)
                  Korea- Platinum (15,000)
                  Malaysia- Gold (10,000)
                  Mexico- Platinum (105,000)
                  Netherlands- Gold (30,000)
                  New Zealand- Double Platinum (30,000)
                  Norway- Platinum (30,000)
                  Poland- Platinum (20,000)
                  Portugal- Double Platinum (40,000)
                  Singapore- Gold (6,000)
                  South Africa- Double Platinum (100,000)
                  Spain- Quadruple Platinum (400,000)
                  Sweden- Triple Platinum (180,000)
                  Switzerland- Double Platinum (60,000)
                  Taiwan- Gold (7,000)
                  Thailand- Gold (8,000)
                  Turkey- Triple Platinum (30,000)
                  United Kingdom- Double Platinum (600,000)
                  United States- Quadruple Platinum (4 million)

                  And according to Rolling Stones Cher's Believe sold 20 million
                  http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/i ... -comeback/

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                  • #39
                    ^ That is a mistake for sure... If Believe has sold around 10 million in Eu plus US, where do the other 10 million come from?

                    About your numbers, if you're not gonna show any source/WW breakdown, they remains only strange numbers without any explanation

                    And also, many times labels releases fake/inflated sales figures, it's well known fact...

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                    • #40
                      the EU sales number only includes some countries, not all of them. Plus Asia, South America, Central America, Canada, Africa, and Australia, and New Zealand make up the remaining 10 million or so album sales.

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                      • #41
                        Sorry but that's really impossible
                        12 million seems correct

                        Anyway would you please post sales by country for all her singles?
                        Since you have totals, you should have the brakdowns for each one...

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                        • #42
                          The sales for her singles are shipments/the number of produced copies of each single that were ordered by the record company. Sales/shipment break down per country are not available, especially to the public. However, I do know a select few.

                          US Gold (500,000)
                          All I really want to do
                          Bang, Bang (1966)
                          Alfie
                          You better sit down kids
                          G. T. T.
                          The way of love
                          Living in a house divided
                          Half-Breed
                          Dark Lady
                          Train of thought
                          Take me home
                          I found someone
                          We all sleep alone
                          after all
                          If I could turn back time
                          Just like Jesse James
                          Heart of Stone
                          the shoop, shoop song
                          Save up all your tears
                          One by one
                          Strong enough
                          The music's no good without you
                          Song for the lonely
                          Different kind of love song

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                          • #43
                            Wow DELUSION

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                            • #44
                              I'm just curious, can you find me some Madonna sales using your "source"?

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by 04wayne
                                Wow DELUSION
                                what do you mean wayne?

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                                • #46
                                  Originally posted by Nichu94
                                  Originally posted by 04wayne
                                  Wow DELUSION
                                  what do you mean wayne?
                                  I have read countless stories and have even been sent an email or two about people who claim to have these 'sources' that they cannot verify. My last discussion about this occurred on a fan forum for Celine Dion - a fan who ironically spouted the same things as the above poster, jayrock, except his/her case was for Celine Dion being the best-selling female artist of all-time, which anybody with a brain cell knows isn't true.

                                  jayrock - I don't necessarily take offense to your numbers, I take offense to your inability to listen to reason and realism. What Nichu says above (about it being impossible to shift 10m albums across the territories/countries you mentioned) is completely and utterly true. You said:

                                  Plus Asia, South America, Central America, Canada, Africa, and Australia, and New Zealand make up the remaining 10 million or so album sales.
                                  But you've listed the majority of Asia's dominions in your list of sales. You've also listed the major South American places that Cher hit it big in that list. Added to which you listed Australia and New Zealand in that list. So basically, your above quote is nonsense.

                                  Cher has sold fewer than 50m albums across the globe - not a measly amount. Believe has shipped no more than 12m copies worldwide. This is estimation, yes. But my estimation is a damn more site reliable and realistic than yours is.

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                                  • #47
                                    Actually the certifications are out dated and are from 1999/2000. In the past 10 years or so sales would have increased in these territories. Also, there are many European, Asian, South American, and Middle Eastern countries that would have taken the Believe album very well that are NOT listed, mostly because these places don't have a BPI or RIAA or CRIA. Sources like Warner Brothers, Rolling Stone Magazine, and Billboard are more reliable than someone who tries to disprove what they claim. I'm standing behind my numbers since my sources are offical sources, and have been found correct by my Editor and publisher.

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                                    • #48
                                      Originally posted by jayrock
                                      Actually the certifications are out dated and are from 1999/2000.
                                      In the past 10 years or so sales would have increased in these territories.
                                      Certifications are based on shipments, so since the album isn't a huge catalog seller (like almost all pop albums that sells due to a big hit), they may be not that wrong

                                      Also, there are many European, Asian, South American, and Middle Eastern countries that would have taken the Believe album very well that are NOT listed, mostly because these places don't have a BPI or RIAA or CRIA.
                                      In those territories albums sell an irrelevant total of copies...

                                      Sources like Warner Brothers, Rolling Stone Magazine, and Billboard are more reliable than someone who tries to disprove what they claim.
                                      Unfortunatly often "official sources" gives really random and inaccurate sales infos. The biggest exemple is Michael Jackson's album "Thriller". The Guinnes World record claims it has sold 109 million copies, but the truth is very different: Thriller has sold around 60-65 million copies Worldwide.

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                                      • #49
                                        Originally posted by jayrock
                                        Also, there are many European, Asian, South American, and Middle Eastern countries that would have taken the Believe album very well that are NOT listed, mostly because these places don't have a BPI or RIAA or CRIA.
                                        Wanna go to IFPI site to see middle east awards?
                                        Platinum for 6k, only.

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                                        • #50
                                          For one, Guinnes World records is a reliable source. For example, they said that Cher's Farewell tour grossed more than $437 million, but they took into account merchandise, and ticket sales from all 325 shows.

                                          Also, shipment amounts eligible for certifications change every few years. For example, a Platinum album in Canada is now 80,000 compared to 100,000 in 1999

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                                          • #51
                                            Not when they are making ostentatious claims such as '109m sold for Thriller'.

                                            Yes shipment amounts DO change. But you've not listed shipment literature (i.e. gold, platinum, diamond) - you've listed actual shipments. So again, I don't know why you insist on digressing from the first point which is:

                                            Your Figures Are Terribly Overrated

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                                            • #52
                                              Most of Cher's albums, and singles did not recieve gold or platinum status in any country because they did not sell a significant amount

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                                              • #53
                                                Originally posted by 04wayne
                                                Your Figures Are Terribly Overrated
                                                You should see his/her Madonna's numers
                                                I Lolled so much when he/she sent me his "official" figures.

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                                                • #54
                                                  I really don't care what you people think, but this information I thought I should share with you since it is a mysterious, and often asked question in the music industry. But I can tell you this. She has sold some 275 million- 300 million albums world wide (this nuumber includes solo, Sonny & Cher, Blackrose, Allman and Woman, and other albums she appeared on)
                                                  As part of Sonny & Cher she sold 80 million albums. This is a known fact, and is not disputable.

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                                                  • #55
                                                    UKMIX rule:
                                                    If you're posting sales figures then please try to make sure you post correct ones. Don't deliberately post inflated ones for your favourite artist (or deflated ones for your least favourite artist for that matter) as it only causes needless conflict

                                                    Jayrock, you're keep on posting inflated numbers, coming from a secret source and without any WW breakdown... Why should we all believe you?

                                                    :-? Keep on writing them on your books but not here please.

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                                                    • #56
                                                      Originally posted by jayrock
                                                      I really don't care what you people think, but this information I thought I should share with you since it is a mysterious, and often asked question in the music industry. But I can tell you this. She has sold some 275 million- 300 million albums world wide (this nuumber includes solo, Sonny & Cher, Blackrose, Allman and Woman, and other albums she appeared on)
                                                      As part of Sonny & Cher she sold 80 million albums. This is a known fact, and is not disputable.


                                                      You're terrible!

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                                                      • #57
                                                        Because I have world reknowned Cher biographer Mark Bego backing me up.

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                                                        • #58
                                                          Including every single disc that Cher has ever sold in music (album, single, DVD) - she hasn't surpassed even 100m records worldwide. So how the HELL you can come to the conclusion (without breaking down anything, and despite you otherwise being proven wrong) that she has sold 275-300m albums makes you sound not only stupid, but also ignorant. Congratulations.

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                                                          • #59
                                                            You English are the rudest people in the world. You people even out rank the Americans on rudeness. Thankfully my book is not being released there in the YUK as that is how you people look.

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                                                            • #60
                                                              Originally posted by jayrock
                                                              You English are the rudest people in the world. You people even out rank the Americans on rudeness. Thankfully my book is not being released there in the YUK as that is how you people look.
                                                              I'm from Italy actually

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